Evo's Longtermer up on Ebay...
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LuS1fer said:
kayc said:
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So....facts aside.....what's your point..... 
Anyway, his point is that he can't drive for toffee and hence need a very clever computer, 4WD and clever Turbo charged engine to enable him to reach reasonable speeds!
mbutchers - PICS PLEASE!!!
Edited by pikey on Tuesday 13th February 16:12
pikey said:
LuS1fer said:
kayc said:
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So....facts aside.....what's your point..... Anyway, his point is that he can't drive for toffee and hence need a very clever computer, 4WD and clever Turbo charged engine to enable him to reach reasonable speeds!
mbutchers - PICS PLEASE!!!
Edited by pikey on Tuesday 13th February 16:12
pikey said:
mbutchers - PICS PLEASE!!!
Pikey - check out www.evo.co.uk and search on mustang - It'll show all the photos and running reports.
mbutchers said:
Pikey - check out www.evo.co.uk and search on mustang - It'll show all the photos and running reports.
Ooo, that looks nice! Bet you're excited PS. Think I saw it at the ring once - I'll have a look through my photo archives.
pikey said:
mbutchers said:
Pikey - check out www.evo.co.uk and search on mustang - It'll show all the photos and running reports.
Ooo, that looks nice! Bet you're excited PS. Think I saw it at the ring once - I'll have a look through my photo archives.
Hopefully get it Friday - last time I had a V8 was my Griff many years ago - looking forward to the noise alone...
I think it'll be a bit of a laugh, and not quite so precious as the Porsche....
Have you picked up the EVO Mustang yet?
If so let us know what you think - particularly the alleged 370bhp from C&L CAI and diablosport programmer.
I'm thinking of giving Litchfields a call if you reckon there's a noticeable improvement in performance over stock. Cannot decide whether you use them (nearly £1000 all in), or buy my own and do myself (will I get same results
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If so let us know what you think - particularly the alleged 370bhp from C&L CAI and diablosport programmer.
I'm thinking of giving Litchfields a call if you reckon there's a noticeable improvement in performance over stock. Cannot decide whether you use them (nearly £1000 all in), or buy my own and do myself (will I get same results
) monkey43 said:
Have you picked up the EVO Mustang yet?
If so let us know what you think - particularly the alleged 370bhp from C&L CAI and diablosport programmer.
I'm thinking of giving Litchfields a call if you reckon there's a noticeable improvement in performance over stock. Cannot decide whether you use them (nearly £1000 all in), or buy my own and do myself (will I get same results)
Picked the car up from EVO on Friday. If so let us know what you think - particularly the alleged 370bhp from C&L CAI and diablosport programmer.
I'm thinking of giving Litchfields a call if you reckon there's a noticeable improvement in performance over stock. Cannot decide whether you use them (nearly £1000 all in), or buy my own and do myself (will I get same results
)Took a couple of hours to get home in crappy Friday traffic on the M1/M25. Still a good chance to get acquainted with the car. It's quite 'BIG' actually, and LHD makes things a little tricky to start with, but I soon got used to it.
Can't really comment on the alleged 370bhp, as I've not driven the standard car before. It seems fairly brisk for such a large car, but in comparison to previous Porsches, I'm not sure that it feels '370bhp' fast. I'm quite suprised that it's not a bit torquier low down the rev range, but it does seem to pick up well from about 3000 rpm and then rev right thru' to the redline.
Have you looked at the running reports on the EVO website to see their opinion?
I'm gonna take a couple of weeks getting used to it, before I decide what to do to it - if anything....
I'm quite amazed at how much attention it gets - I feel like I should put a big sign on it, saying 'ONLY £17K'....... I guess it does look a bit outlandish, and they're pretty rare, but still, it seems to turn heads everywhere.... Not sure if that's a good thing...
northo said:
Can I also heartily recommend Atlantic Sports Cars, who will shortly be supercharging our V8 GT.
Out of interest, how much does it cost to Supercharge one of these things...?
I believe you get more if you put some kind of charge cooler / intercooler....?
Just read the ECOTY 2005 issue, and they really raved about the Roush 420 Supercharged car.
Interested to hear any views over a stock car.
mbutchers said:
northo said:
Can I also heartily recommend Atlantic Sports Cars, who will shortly be supercharging our V8 GT.
Out of interest, how much does it cost to Supercharge one of these things...?
I believe you get more if you put some kind of charge cooler / intercooler....?
Just read the ECOTY 2005 issue, and they really raved about the Roush 420 Supercharged car.
Interested to hear any views over a stock car.
The stock car feels anaemic after a supercharger but you'll probably be quite surprised to learn that it can still feel like it's lacking torque at the bottom end even with the supercharger. When I bought my Vortech, I'm sure they were quoting 370lb/ft but the latest blurb claims over 400. Having said that, there are two types of supercharger - centrifugal which is like half a turbo and effecively uses a remotely mounted "fan" to blow and compress the air into the intake. Accordingly, even though it's engine driven, the characteristics are still like a turbo with lower gears being required to stir and then a rollercoaster rush at the top end. The screw-type sits on top of the inlet and is a revolving screw that transports air along the screw thread. A twin screw also compresses. This type tend to dump vast amounts of torque from 2000rpm upwards but don't produce as much at the top end.
As you might imagine, the former (like mine) makes it far more hard work to extract the considerable performance. The stock Vortech produces 415hp and the chargecooled version (like mine)462hp. On the other hand, the latter type can be far more unpredictable to drive as it breaks traction far more readily especially if you pile it on in a corner.
Costs: Mine was £4500 supplied and fitted by the UK Vortech dealer (possibly less now as the dollar is weaker). The Roushcharger worked out at over £5000 fitted (for less power). You can import your own of course and fit it yourself or get someone to fit it for you.
LuS1fer said:
The stock car feels anaemic after a supercharger but you'll probably be quite surprised to learn that it can still feel like it's lacking torque at the bottom end even with the supercharger. When I bought my Vortech, I'm sure they were quoting 370lb/ft but the latest blurb claims over 400. Having said that, there are two types of supercharger - centrifugal which is like half a turbo and effecively uses a remotely mounted "fan" to blow and compress the air into the intake. Accordingly, even though it's engine driven, the characteristics are still like a turbo with lower gears being required to stir and then a rollercoaster rush at the top end. The screw-type sits on top of the inlet and is a revolving screw that transports air along the screw thread. A twin screw also compresses. This type tend to dump vast amounts of torque from 2000rpm upwards but don't produce as much at the top end.
As you might imagine, the former (like mine) makes it far more hard work to extract the considerable performance. The stock Vortech produces 415hp and the chargecooled version (like mine)462hp. On the other hand, the latter type can be far more unpredictable to drive as it breaks traction far more readily especially if you pile it on in a corner.
Costs: Mine was £4500 supplied and fitted by the UK Vortech dealer (possibly less now as the dollar is weaker). The Roushcharger worked out at over £5000 fitted (for less power). You can import your own of course and fit it yourself or get someone to fit it for you.
Thanks LuS1fer - interesting stuff. Mine is meant to have 370bhp, but like I said, I'm a little sceptical. Are you familiar with the upgrade (mapping and filter) on the EVO car? How does your car feel against other cars of similar power - just to gauge things? As you might imagine, the former (like mine) makes it far more hard work to extract the considerable performance. The stock Vortech produces 415hp and the chargecooled version (like mine)462hp. On the other hand, the latter type can be far more unpredictable to drive as it breaks traction far more readily especially if you pile it on in a corner.
Costs: Mine was £4500 supplied and fitted by the UK Vortech dealer (possibly less now as the dollar is weaker). The Roushcharger worked out at over £5000 fitted (for less power). You can import your own of course and fit it yourself or get someone to fit it for you.
Also - I'm very suprised as to the cheapness of the insurance - mine was £380 with the mods listed - do you think the supercharger mods will up it considerably...? Have you got any photos of the installation....? Cheers
I fitted the same C&L intake with a flash tune via an SCT Xcal. This was supplied by Brenspeed in the States. No dyno figures but I have run the car at Santa Pod. Bone stock 13.56 @ 101.5 mph, with the tune & intake 13.25 @ 106 mph. Using the old 10 bhp for one mph thats around 35-40 hp improvement which matches the US tuners claims. Be interesting to see the EVO car run.
btw What ins co did you get that quote from?
Cheers
btw What ins co did you get that quote from?
Cheers
mbutchers said:
Mine is meant to have 370bhp, but like I said, I'm a little sceptical. Are you familiar with the upgrade (mapping and filter) on the EVO car? How does your car feel against other cars of similar power - just to gauge things?
Also - I'm very suprised as to the cheapness of the insurance - mine was £380 with the mods listed - do you think the supercharger mods will up it considerably...? Have you got any photos of the installation....? Cheers
Also - I'm very suprised as to the cheapness of the insurance - mine was £380 with the mods listed - do you think the supercharger mods will up it considerably...? Have you got any photos of the installation....? Cheers
Mine isn't exactly representative as it has a lot of additional bling under the bonnet:
and there are always plenty of pics on my website:
www.cardomain.com/ride/2177534
I'm not familiar with the mapping on the EVO car so can't comment on the output and I don't particularly trust dynos anyway. Vortech have always declined to supply any sort of power graph and in the US, the power claims are generated rather than actual as much depends on temperature, density, altitude etc. One guy came back to me when I queried the output with a figure of 390 rwhp which he improved "considerably" with a rolling road. In terms of power, it flies quite well. Had a little pursuit of a Murcielago on our PH run today and it did alright although obviously not quite in that league! I've also pitched it against a TVR Griffith 500 and it blitzed it. So not putting any hard figures on it, it's more than fast enough. One thing I fitted was a shift light as it runs out of revs very quickly.
£380 is cheap stock let alone with those mods. I pay £530-ish for 6000 miles with A-Plan, garaged.
My GT/CS is due to be here soon (he says 
) and I've got a whole series of n/a mods ready to fit to it from CAI, CMVH deletion, whole new exhaust system etc.
I'll try and get a baseline dyno run done to see what difference each mod makes. As with my previous cars, no doubt I'll cover it all on a website too
) and I've got a whole series of n/a mods ready to fit to it from CAI, CMVH deletion, whole new exhaust system etc. I'll try and get a baseline dyno run done to see what difference each mod makes. As with my previous cars, no doubt I'll cover it all on a website too
LuS1fer said:
Costs: Mine was £4500 supplied and fitted by the UK Vortech dealer (possibly less now as the dollar is weaker). The Roushcharger worked out at over £5000 fitted (for less power). You can import your own of course and fit it yourself or get someone to fit it for you.
LuS1fer - been looking into SuperChargers. The Roush comes in at around £5800 fitted, and the Vortech at around £4200. Quite some difference! Roush quote 420bhp, and Vortech 460bhp. Is there any reason why I should consider the Roush over the Vortech - especially given the price difference?
Did you get yours fitted in Middlesex, at the Vortech agent there? If so, can you recommend them for fitting? Cheers
mbutchers said:
LuS1fer said:
Costs: Mine was £4500 supplied and fitted by the UK Vortech dealer (possibly less now as the dollar is weaker). The Roushcharger worked out at over £5000 fitted (for less power). You can import your own of course and fit it yourself or get someone to fit it for you.
LuS1fer - been looking into SuperChargers. The Roush comes in at around £5800 fitted, and the Vortech at around £4200. Quite some difference! Roush quote 420bhp, and Vortech 460bhp. Is there any reason why I should consider the Roush over the Vortech - especially given the price difference?
Did you get yours fitted in Middlesex, at the Vortech agent there? If so, can you recommend them for fitting? Cheers
As above, the Roush is a screw type and will give far more torque at the bottom end. Vortech is cheaper because it's esssentially remotely mounted so can be used far more universally but it's more pfrenetic power at the top end. If it was me, I would't pick the Roush although you get the satisfaction of a warranty. There are better superchargers of that type out there. It depends how you drive. Unless you drive both back to back, I doubt you'd complain but the Vortech needs more use of the gearstick I assume judging on other owner's accounts of their power deliveries.
I used www.nsracing.com in Edgeware. It's a bit of a back street lockup but the job was a good one. I think it's more important with the Vortech to get it professionally done as two people have recently imported Vortechs that seem to be excessively noisy on the bearings and have had to be sent back. That obviously costs money and inconvenience because they should be near silent in operation.
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