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Discussion
cacatous said:
I would have thought 275 or 285 section rear tyres would have been better with 245 or 255 at the front?
Obviously you want to be able to feel when that much power is going to break but not instantly!
Know exactly what you mean Cacatous - been there and discussed that as you'd expect - the T400/440R car was designed with the 255 tyres in mind given its weight, target handling feel and downforce objectives. However that was before the supercharged engined was conceived .. as my brother DoctorD points out it has been fitted with a t/c device with a variable potentiometer so hopefully that will help out on low grip surfaces .. we'll see...
Of course you could just fit some trick rubber??? Or aftermarket wheels and trick rubber???
TVR seems to be well behind everyone in the contact-patch stakes. Even a bog standard porsche 996 C2 runs something like 275's at the back?? and a Murcielago has rear 335's with 4wd!! Fit them to a TVR and it'll probably slow it down a fair bit, but atleast it'll find some traction then (in the dry atleast)...
TVR seems to be well behind everyone in the contact-patch stakes. Even a bog standard porsche 996 C2 runs something like 275's at the back?? and a Murcielago has rear 335's with 4wd!! Fit them to a TVR and it'll probably slow it down a fair bit, but atleast it'll find some traction then (in the dry atleast)...
Prime_Al said:
I would have thought 275 or 285 section rear tyres would have been better with 245 or 255 at the front?
Obviously you want to be able to feel when that much power is going to break but not instantly!
Know exactly what you mean Cacatous - been there and discussed that as you'd expect - the T400/440R car was designed with the 255 tyres in mind given its weight, target handling feel and downforce objectives. However that was before the supercharged engined was conceived .. as my brother DoctorD points out it has been fitted with a t/c device with a variable potentiometer so hopefully that will help out on low grip surfaces .. we'll see...
Well if it's been fitted with t/c then that will help but I still fear that it will have too much to do too quickly.
I would have assumed thicker rubber to give it a bigger margin then the t/c for the quick break aways...
As always TVR know best eh?!
ccharlie6 said:
one and a bit weeks to LM can i expect to see a Typhon with a huge crowd around it there?
Err... another disapointing delay as TVR diverts resources from the production line to support their race customers. Current 'guesstimate' puts the delivery date sometime near the end of June, although by past experience that's likely to be July or maybe later...
Sense of humour is rapidly receeding after more than 3 years of waiting. Clearly this falls well below the kind of service I would expect of Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini so clearly TVR has a lot of work to do if it wishes to survive at this price level.
No Typhon, no Le Mans...
DoctorD said:
Sense of humour is rapidly receeding after more than 3 years of waiting. Clearly this falls well below the kind of service I would expect of Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini so clearly TVR has a lot of work to do if it wishes to survive at this price level.
No Typhon, no Le Mans...
Kinda know how it feels (even I've 'only' been waiting for nearly two years) - was expecting mine to be delivered in spring '04 but it will probably be well into next year, even though I'm in one of the first 10 build slots.
Have resigned myself to not even thinking about it now, perhaps then the time will pass quicker!
Dan
I think they're looking at £85k basic, but then to be fair the options list (I imagine) won't really be that long. The options on the list though (2+2 or bigger fuel tank) are fairly major jobs so I dare say they will be a bit pricey... however I really don't know so you may as well just ignore that for the moment :P
EddyB said:
I think they're looking at £85k basic, but then to be fair the options list (I imagine) won't really be that long. The options on the list though (2+2 or bigger fuel tank) are fairly major jobs so I dare say they will be a bit pricey... however I really don't know so you may as well just ignore that for the moment :P
Hold on, I can imagine that if most Typhons are to emerge as 2 seaters then a 2 plus 2 option may be a price hike, but a bigger fuel tank? It's only a bigger chunk isn't it?
I agree that if you are parting with 85K you expect (and should receive) gold star service - the initial PR wank about the Tuscan R promised all sorts of things and entry in to TVR nirvana.
All the more important as the first few may well be beta test mules. What sort of warranty are TVR offering on these beasts?
Dave
BCA said:
Of course you could just fit some trick rubber??? Or aftermarket wheels and trick rubber???
TVR seems to be well behind everyone in the contact-patch stakes. Even a bog standard porsche 996 C2 runs something like 275's at the back?? and a Murcielago has rear 335's with 4wd!! Fit them to a TVR and it'll probably slow it down a fair bit, but atleast it'll find some traction then (in the dry atleast)...
A mate of mine is a big tire guru (or maybe just claims to be) and his view is that putting big tires on lightweight cars causes more trouble that it is worth. His view (which seems at least superficially plausible) is that traction is a function of weight AND tire size and that if one variable in the equation is out either direction, the traction will decrease.
The larger the contact patch, the more weight you need to get that patch to grip the road optimally.
If he's right, that would tend to explain the gigantic tires routinely fitted to heavier performance cars like Vipers and Lambos and some Porsche. It would also indicate that fitting similar sized tires to a TVR would be a bad idea.
Also with the Porsches, the engine is in a better position to get the rear wheels to grip.
I can't help thinking that if the only thing standing between TVR and more grip was a bigger set of tires, that they'd offer this at least as an option.
z_chromozone said:
macca f1 wares 345/35/19's and weighs 1062 kg
Typhon is 1110 Kg, but probably has a different weight distribution. Not enought to account for such a huge difference IMHO.
Z
From memory I believe the standard McLaren F1 was more like 1150kg with 627bhp. The F1 LM was lighter (around 1050kg I think) with about 700bhp.
I wrote a detailed post giving all this information once (and comparing it to the Koenisegg CC and Enzo), but I can't be arsed to find it, sorry!
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