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Did anyone else have a look at the secret mission in the Dreaming City last night? Reddit and other Destiny forums are referring to it as the first Destiny 'Dungeon'. We were expecting a quick standard length 15 minute mission with regular enemies.
Boy, were we wrong! To begin with, the scale of the mission is huge! There are puzzles to solve, raid-like mechanics and....level 590 enemies!! (Yes, you heard that right, they were 590!!) I was the lowest light among us at 551 and was getting one shot by pretty much everything.
We kind of knew what we had to do but, at such a power difference, our chances of doing it successfully were zero! There was a good powerful drop along the way though, which gave me a sword at 561.
Dreaming City has all gone a bit weird this week!!
Boy, were we wrong! To begin with, the scale of the mission is huge! There are puzzles to solve, raid-like mechanics and....level 590 enemies!! (Yes, you heard that right, they were 590!!) I was the lowest light among us at 551 and was getting one shot by pretty much everything.
We kind of knew what we had to do but, at such a power difference, our chances of doing it successfully were zero! There was a good powerful drop along the way though, which gave me a sword at 561.
Dreaming City has all gone a bit weird this week!!
ZedLeg said:
What light level were people at when they got to the Dreaming City for the first time? I tried the mission at 507 last night and was struggling so much I ended up quitting out.
Do you mean the mission to gain entry, where you work your way upwards towards Petra? I seem to remember hanging back just beneath the top of some stairs clearing the majority of ads and then in the next area running around like a madman waiting for nades/super to regen and hoping the shadow thrall would drop some heavy to use on the wizards (am I thinking of the right mission?)Not sure if you can do it with a fireteam but, happy to help if you can.
ZedLeg said:
What light level were people at when they got to the Dreaming City for the first time? I tried the mission at 507 last night and was struggling so much I ended up quitting out.
I was 507 and managed it last night as a Hunter/Gunslinger and the burning knife super, give it another go with a fresh pair of eyes tonight.(I'm from the other side, but that thread is dead)
I heard the Xbox version was harder anyway, you guys on the Sony kids toy get an easier ride.
Aye it might have been because it was late and I was a bit hungover yesterday 
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I got as far as meeting up with Petra then got killed a bunch of times in the fight with the Scorn after and sacked it off. Getting killed in restricted zones is doubly irritating to me.
I'll have another go tonight.
.I got as far as meeting up with Petra then got killed a bunch of times in the fight with the Scorn after and sacked it off. Getting killed in restricted zones is doubly irritating to me.
I'll have another go tonight.
martyn850 said:
So..... finished a public event, and when it was over there was a hive like gun on the floor. It was beeping (sounded a bit like the countdown to a public event) and it was flashing a void like purple. Anyone seen anything like that before?! Couldn’t find anything online.
Not come across anything like that - could you pick it up?Finished my first Tier 3 Blind well (and Heroic) event last night for some decent drops and can hit 559 now. Everything becomes a cakewalk at 560, right?
Speckle said:
martyn850 said:
So..... finished a public event, and when it was over there was a hive like gun on the floor. It was beeping (sounded a bit like the countdown to a public event) and it was flashing a void like purple. Anyone seen anything like that before?! Couldn’t find anything online.
Not come across anything like that - could you pick it up?Jolly good! TLW was my baby. TLW/sniper/blink was my favourite loadout.
As suspected, interest is waning somewhat. I'm still enjoying PvP and the weeklies, but there's just not enough people on to make regular attempts at the raid possible. The high light requirement means that it's inaccessible to a lot of the playerbase, and by the time they are ready there'll be even less on. I think it's gone from too casual, to slightly too hardcore. More of an observation than a complaint though as I've got my monies worth and have had fun thus far.
The fact that there's still stuff to chase, whilst not being full on D1 'no life' levels is a good thing though!
As suspected, interest is waning somewhat. I'm still enjoying PvP and the weeklies, but there's just not enough people on to make regular attempts at the raid possible. The high light requirement means that it's inaccessible to a lot of the playerbase, and by the time they are ready there'll be even less on. I think it's gone from too casual, to slightly too hardcore. More of an observation than a complaint though as I've got my monies worth and have had fun thus far.
The fact that there's still stuff to chase, whilst not being full on D1 'no life' levels is a good thing though!
This is the problem I'm having. I didn't buy it originally as reviews weren't stellar. I just started playing it a few weeks ago and I've not even hit 200 light level yet so people talking about 550+ seems an absolute world away. I'm still enjoying playing it but they lost the players when the original release didn't deliver. The problem with releasing half a game and hoping to complete the game with expansions is you run the risk of either loosing interest too early or you get this wide disparity between player base of those who bought all the expansions and played it all the way through and those who didn't.
If you follow any of the decent reviewers on youtube about gaming.
there are several games that get their attention for daylight robbery. Destiny 2 is one, coz it was clearly designed as half a game with DLC almost straightaway meaning that full price would be about 80 quid within weeks of it being released, and the lootbox nonsense.
And obviously Star Wars Battlefront 2 and the Lord of the Rings game, they all get special mentions.
Sadly, if people insist on just handing over tens of pounds more for this stuff you are playing into devs hands.
Yes, it's your money, you can do what you want with it, but the precedent you are setting is already dangerous.
Triple A games are now well over 100 quid in most circumstances if you want DLC. That is YOUR fault, not the devs, if no-one paid for it, it would stop, just maybe think about it before you do it as the only way is up sadly.
And the main issue I have with Destiny 2 is that you HAVE to have it to progress your characters. That to me is insulting and tantamount to robbery and pushing into misleading
there are several games that get their attention for daylight robbery. Destiny 2 is one, coz it was clearly designed as half a game with DLC almost straightaway meaning that full price would be about 80 quid within weeks of it being released, and the lootbox nonsense.
And obviously Star Wars Battlefront 2 and the Lord of the Rings game, they all get special mentions.
Sadly, if people insist on just handing over tens of pounds more for this stuff you are playing into devs hands.
Yes, it's your money, you can do what you want with it, but the precedent you are setting is already dangerous.
Triple A games are now well over 100 quid in most circumstances if you want DLC. That is YOUR fault, not the devs, if no-one paid for it, it would stop, just maybe think about it before you do it as the only way is up sadly.
And the main issue I have with Destiny 2 is that you HAVE to have it to progress your characters. That to me is insulting and tantamount to robbery and pushing into misleading
chunder27 said:
If you follow any of the decent reviewers on youtube about gaming.
there are several games that get their attention for daylight robbery. Destiny 2 is one, coz it was clearly designed as half a game with DLC almost straightaway meaning that full price would be about 80 quid within weeks of it being released, and the lootbox nonsense.
And obviously Star Wars Battlefront 2 and the Lord of the Rings game, they all get special mentions.
Sadly, if people insist on just handing over tens of pounds more for this stuff you are playing into devs hands.
Yes, it's your money, you can do what you want with it, but the precedent you are setting is already dangerous.
Triple A games are now well over 100 quid in most circumstances if you want DLC. That is YOUR fault, not the devs, if no-one paid for it, it would stop, just maybe think about it before you do it as the only way is up sadly.
And the main issue I have with Destiny 2 is that you HAVE to have it to progress your characters. That to me is insulting and tantamount to robbery and pushing into misleading
Understand your point, but £100 is the cost of a single tank of fuel and playing Destiny lasts far longer than a tank of fuel. So £/min is really good.there are several games that get their attention for daylight robbery. Destiny 2 is one, coz it was clearly designed as half a game with DLC almost straightaway meaning that full price would be about 80 quid within weeks of it being released, and the lootbox nonsense.
And obviously Star Wars Battlefront 2 and the Lord of the Rings game, they all get special mentions.
Sadly, if people insist on just handing over tens of pounds more for this stuff you are playing into devs hands.
Yes, it's your money, you can do what you want with it, but the precedent you are setting is already dangerous.
Triple A games are now well over 100 quid in most circumstances if you want DLC. That is YOUR fault, not the devs, if no-one paid for it, it would stop, just maybe think about it before you do it as the only way is up sadly.
And the main issue I have with Destiny 2 is that you HAVE to have it to progress your characters. That to me is insulting and tantamount to robbery and pushing into misleading
Yeah, I've seen the arguments and I'm the last person to defend AAA greed but as I said earlier in the thread £100 to £120 is the rrp that the AAA publishers want they know people won't pay it all at once though.
Destiny 2 is no where near the worst for this kind of s
te, I got a decent amount of play out of the base game for £45 or whatever I paid for it and after dropping another £45 or so on the updates (bought the first two on sale and Forsaken just after it launched) I've had another decent amount of enjoyable gameplay.
It's nowhere near the level of micro transactions or content locking we've seen from some other games. I noticed that RDR2 is locking some story content into buying the SE which isn't a good sign.
The Destiny expansions play more like the type of extra content that PC games and especially mmos have had for decades. There's never been an online game that was 100% complete at launch. Every one has had added content.
Destiny 2 is no where near the worst for this kind of s
te, I got a decent amount of play out of the base game for £45 or whatever I paid for it and after dropping another £45 or so on the updates (bought the first two on sale and Forsaken just after it launched) I've had another decent amount of enjoyable gameplay.It's nowhere near the level of micro transactions or content locking we've seen from some other games. I noticed that RDR2 is locking some story content into buying the SE which isn't a good sign.
The Destiny expansions play more like the type of extra content that PC games and especially mmos have had for decades. There's never been an online game that was 100% complete at launch. Every one has had added content.
What you guys are forgetting is that Bungie removed a lot of the stuff you paid for in D1 from D2.
PvP game modes, weapons, abilities, armour, NPCs that you paid for in D1 DLC were removed from the base D2 game, only to be drip fed back in by new paid for DLC.
You have literally paid for the same content twice (or more)!
That is an abusive strategy, regardless of how much you pay for the game.
PvP game modes, weapons, abilities, armour, NPCs that you paid for in D1 DLC were removed from the base D2 game, only to be drip fed back in by new paid for DLC.
You have literally paid for the same content twice (or more)!
That is an abusive strategy, regardless of how much you pay for the game.
I guess it is down to what you value long term.
I think if you are so unwilling to spend on DLC like me, you will probably eventually remove yourself from gaming, as most normal price games will simply be shells.
As there seems to be no end of people who are more than happy to pay double the accepted price a few years ago for games, and designers are now so aware of this games are designed, like Destony 2 to be one game for normal folk and another for people prepared to spend 120 quid.
That to me is wrong, and no game is worth 120 quid. You will all say it is worth what anyone is prepared to pay. Well that is ludicrous, this is not art or a Ferrari 250GTO, it is a game sold by a multi million dollar company who are fleecing their customers.
Good luck to you all, but I really do worry about the future of gaming if people like you are the ones running the market and prepared to buy a game for 40 quid, then spend upwards of double that on extras, just because you can, without thinking of the consequences in the future.
Know what it's like? Online gambling, and we all know where that leads.
I think if you are so unwilling to spend on DLC like me, you will probably eventually remove yourself from gaming, as most normal price games will simply be shells.
As there seems to be no end of people who are more than happy to pay double the accepted price a few years ago for games, and designers are now so aware of this games are designed, like Destony 2 to be one game for normal folk and another for people prepared to spend 120 quid.
That to me is wrong, and no game is worth 120 quid. You will all say it is worth what anyone is prepared to pay. Well that is ludicrous, this is not art or a Ferrari 250GTO, it is a game sold by a multi million dollar company who are fleecing their customers.
Good luck to you all, but I really do worry about the future of gaming if people like you are the ones running the market and prepared to buy a game for 40 quid, then spend upwards of double that on extras, just because you can, without thinking of the consequences in the future.
Know what it's like? Online gambling, and we all know where that leads.
chunder27 said:
I guess it is down to what you value long term.
I think if you are so unwilling to spend on DLC like me, you will probably eventually remove yourself from gaming, as most normal price games will simply be shells.
As there seems to be no end of people who are more than happy to pay double the accepted price a few years ago for games, and designers are now so aware of this games are designed, like Destony 2 to be one game for normal folk and another for people prepared to spend 120 quid.
That to me is wrong, and no game is worth 120 quid. You will all say it is worth what anyone is prepared to pay. Well that is ludicrous, this is not art or a Ferrari 250GTO, it is a game sold by a multi million dollar company who are fleecing their customers.
Good luck to you all, but I really do worry about the future of gaming if people like you are the ones running the market and prepared to buy a game for 40 quid, then spend upwards of double that on extras, just because you can, without thinking of the consequences in the future.
Know what it's like? Online gambling, and we all know where that leads.
I think you're over shooting the mark there a bit Chunder, yes Bungie and EA have been caught out in abusive strategies over the past couple years, but they have paid the price in their decreasing sales.I think if you are so unwilling to spend on DLC like me, you will probably eventually remove yourself from gaming, as most normal price games will simply be shells.
As there seems to be no end of people who are more than happy to pay double the accepted price a few years ago for games, and designers are now so aware of this games are designed, like Destony 2 to be one game for normal folk and another for people prepared to spend 120 quid.
That to me is wrong, and no game is worth 120 quid. You will all say it is worth what anyone is prepared to pay. Well that is ludicrous, this is not art or a Ferrari 250GTO, it is a game sold by a multi million dollar company who are fleecing their customers.
Good luck to you all, but I really do worry about the future of gaming if people like you are the ones running the market and prepared to buy a game for 40 quid, then spend upwards of double that on extras, just because you can, without thinking of the consequences in the future.
Know what it's like? Online gambling, and we all know where that leads.
Conversely free to play games like Fortnite have stepped in to the market and are challenging the big gaming studios.
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