Destiny 2 (PS4)
Discussion
RaymondVanDerDon said:
I think it comes down to value. I don't think I got £80 of value from the first year of D2 - as a consequence I was 50/50 on Forsaken. I bought it in the end and it really does offer good value in my eyes. I will probably buy the next dlc on this basis.
That's kind of chunder's point though - if you don't think Year 1 D2 was worth what you spent on it, but still bought Y2 D2, then what incentive does Bungie have for making Y1 D3 value for money?You're basically saying it's ok to rip me off, I'll still come back for more.
youngsyr said:
Conversely free to play games like Fortnite have stepped in to the market and are challenging the big gaming studios.
I hate to be that guy, but Fortnite is made by Epic Games a studio with a wealth of experience in the industry. I'd recommend for those that like Destiny 1/2 but don't want to go down the DLC route you might want to give Warframe a spin... I have dived in and our the past few years and there is a wealth of content with no investment needed!
alfaben said:
I hate to be that guy, but Fortnite is made by Epic Games a studio with a wealth of experience in the industry.
I'd recommend for those that like Destiny 1/2 but don't want to go down the DLC route you might want to give Warframe a spin... I have dived in and our the past few years and there is a wealth of content with no investment needed!
I don't really follow why you're r bringing experience in as a differentiating factor? I'd recommend for those that like Destiny 1/2 but don't want to go down the DLC route you might want to give Warframe a spin... I have dived in and our the past few years and there is a wealth of content with no investment needed!
Destiny is made by Bungie, who made one of the greatest FPS games of all time and have history going back 20 years!
I played Warframe not long after the Beta, thought it was good fun and yes, back then it was a basic Destiny, far more basic.
I don't begrudge anyone spending money on DLC, it is your choice after all, but a bit like with mobile games, then they start designing games AROUND extra DLC and content, and leaving the basic game as really only half a game, then that to me is when gamers really should make a stand.
I am even not that bad about loot boxes, I played Marvel Heroes for years, loved it, you could get most things in that simply by grinding, I only spent about 15 quid on storage space fr the years I played it and loved it. No loot boxes but originally you could pick a hero based on a gacha box really, it was soo got rid of.
It can be done properly, but releasing a pretty game with 60% content of its content, then preventing people who don't want to pay accessing ANY of the DLC is to me utterly ruthless, greedy and actually rather dangerous. How are you going to entice them? Do you think social media is the only way?
Look at the lack of demos now, I used to buy loads of games from playing demos.
Gamers sadly do not realise how easily manipulated and easy they are looking, and really it's all their own fault.
I don't begrudge anyone spending money on DLC, it is your choice after all, but a bit like with mobile games, then they start designing games AROUND extra DLC and content, and leaving the basic game as really only half a game, then that to me is when gamers really should make a stand.
I am even not that bad about loot boxes, I played Marvel Heroes for years, loved it, you could get most things in that simply by grinding, I only spent about 15 quid on storage space fr the years I played it and loved it. No loot boxes but originally you could pick a hero based on a gacha box really, it was soo got rid of.
It can be done properly, but releasing a pretty game with 60% content of its content, then preventing people who don't want to pay accessing ANY of the DLC is to me utterly ruthless, greedy and actually rather dangerous. How are you going to entice them? Do you think social media is the only way?
Look at the lack of demos now, I used to buy loads of games from playing demos.
Gamers sadly do not realise how easily manipulated and easy they are looking, and really it's all their own fault.
I liken Destiny to iPhones, frequent updates that you pay a fortune for and not a great deal of content/hardware improvements between versions..
Forsaken has broken the mould a bit for Bungie, you do actually get some half decent content this time around.
And £100+ games aren't particularly new, I paid £100 for an imported Star Wars cart on the Snes back in the golden age, there were several others too that I've long since forgotten. Standard UK Snes carts were £50ish I seem to remember? Look how much content you get now on a £50 Xbox/PS game compared to those carts, 100gb+ versus a 128Mbit cart.
Forsaken has broken the mould a bit for Bungie, you do actually get some half decent content this time around.
And £100+ games aren't particularly new, I paid £100 for an imported Star Wars cart on the Snes back in the golden age, there were several others too that I've long since forgotten. Standard UK Snes carts were £50ish I seem to remember? Look how much content you get now on a £50 Xbox/PS game compared to those carts, 100gb+ versus a 128Mbit cart.
Coin Slot. said:
I liken Destiny to iPhones, frequent updates that you pay a fortune for and not a great deal of content/hardware improvements between versions..
Forsaken has broken the mould a bit for Bungie, you do actually get some half decent content this time around.
And £100+ games aren't particularly new, I paid £100 for an imported Star Wars cart on the Snes back in the golden age, there were several others too that I've long since forgotten. Standard UK Snes carts were £50ish I seem to remember? Look how much content you get now on a £50 Xbox/PS game compared to those carts, 100gb+ versus a 128Mbit cart.
Destiny is worse than iPhones: at least each new iPhone is an improvement on and has more features than the last. Forsaken has broken the mould a bit for Bungie, you do actually get some half decent content this time around.
And £100+ games aren't particularly new, I paid £100 for an imported Star Wars cart on the Snes back in the golden age, there were several others too that I've long since forgotten. Standard UK Snes carts were £50ish I seem to remember? Look how much content you get now on a £50 Xbox/PS game compared to those carts, 100gb+ versus a 128Mbit cart.
D2 went backwards in year 1 by removing a lot of D1 content and then added a lot of it back for Year 2 (if you paid for it).
It's the same model as D1 - first year was very lacking, but was filled out (if you paid for it) in year 2 and beyond.
Seems like the numbers aren't as down as I thought:
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/242900121
1.8m people played the game on Sunday, so that's just under 1 in 4 of their peak player base.
Seems like a lot of people have returned to the game, despite how quite the thread is on here and how few people are playing Trials?
I wonder how many of those are playing for free on PS4 after the recent giveaway?
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/242900121
1.8m people played the game on Sunday, so that's just under 1 in 4 of their peak player base.
Seems like a lot of people have returned to the game, despite how quite the thread is on here and how few people are playing Trials?
I wonder how many of those are playing for free on PS4 after the recent giveaway?
Ultimately I'm going to pay the price to play games I enjoy playing. I don't condone the way that the AAA industry is going and I don't buy into most micro transaction deals. I rarely buy season passes or special editions and a lot of the time I'll wait for games or DLC to be reduced before I'll buy them. I've played GTA Online for years without buying a shark card.
I didn't play as much Destiny so I have no frame of reference for the content they chopped out at the start but I've got at least a hundred hours in D2 and I'm still enjoying it. I don't think what Bungie have done is as unreasonable as what you get in some other big games and they do seem to be responsive to customer feedback.
Games as a service is here to stay and the pricing model is something we'll just have to deal with if you want to play those games. It's not like there aren't plenty of other brilliant games to play outside of these cash grabby big titles if you'd rather not.
I didn't play as much Destiny so I have no frame of reference for the content they chopped out at the start but I've got at least a hundred hours in D2 and I'm still enjoying it. I don't think what Bungie have done is as unreasonable as what you get in some other big games and they do seem to be responsive to customer feedback.
Games as a service is here to stay and the pricing model is something we'll just have to deal with if you want to play those games. It's not like there aren't plenty of other brilliant games to play outside of these cash grabby big titles if you'd rather not.
chunder27 said:
I know one thing
The most common game in the cheapie bins at CEX the other week was Destiny 2
Probbaly coz it was a giveaway with deals.
Mine would be FiFA 18, played it for about half an hour, loathed it, binned it.
D2 was free on PSN a little while back, so not surprised people were chopping it in at CEX.The most common game in the cheapie bins at CEX the other week was Destiny 2
Probbaly coz it was a giveaway with deals.
Mine would be FiFA 18, played it for about half an hour, loathed it, binned it.
Having said that, the fact that it was free on PSN less than a year after release shows you just badly Bungie needed new people to hook into the franchise to replace those they'd lost.
That is kind of my point.
Went into a CEX today D2 was 6 quid, Doom which is a year older was 8!
People refuse to be mugged, it's that simple. Well I hope so anyway so these a
holes change their ways.
Sadly there are thousands of people who will happily hand over hundreds of pounds to software developers like this who release half made games.
Went into a CEX today D2 was 6 quid, Doom which is a year older was 8!
People refuse to be mugged, it's that simple. Well I hope so anyway so these a
holes change their ways.Sadly there are thousands of people who will happily hand over hundreds of pounds to software developers like this who release half made games.
After insisting I wasn't going to yield, I was bored over the tail end of last week and bought Forsaken.
Yes, I've taken some stick for folding like a lawn chair.
Anyway, Forsaken finally feels like the sequel Destiny Year 3 deserved. The campaign was long, but had some excellent story beats, a lot of variety and some new tricks to throw at you as well. The structure of the game has changed a little as well, seeming to offer rewards for doing daily bite-sized chunks rather than marathon eight hour weekenders but even then there's so much on offer I cannot see how anyone could feasibly do every activity, every day of every week. It would take too long.
That's not to say the process is tedious at all, it's just that the rewards are so plentiful and the sources for them so numerous that it can feel a little overwhelming. Pick a few a day and be content.
Also, the new PvE / PvP hybrid mode Gambit is a blast, even if, true to Crucible form, I absolutely suck at it. I can't wait to gear up to an appropriate level and try the new raid.
Bottom line, it feels like Destiny as a hobby is back. My wife is most upset.
Yes, I've taken some stick for folding like a lawn chair.
Anyway, Forsaken finally feels like the sequel Destiny Year 3 deserved. The campaign was long, but had some excellent story beats, a lot of variety and some new tricks to throw at you as well. The structure of the game has changed a little as well, seeming to offer rewards for doing daily bite-sized chunks rather than marathon eight hour weekenders but even then there's so much on offer I cannot see how anyone could feasibly do every activity, every day of every week. It would take too long.
That's not to say the process is tedious at all, it's just that the rewards are so plentiful and the sources for them so numerous that it can feel a little overwhelming. Pick a few a day and be content.
Also, the new PvE / PvP hybrid mode Gambit is a blast, even if, true to Crucible form, I absolutely suck at it. I can't wait to gear up to an appropriate level and try the new raid.
Bottom line, it feels like Destiny as a hobby is back. My wife is most upset.
SimianWonder said:
After insisting I wasn't going to yield, I was bored over the tail end of last week and bought Forsaken.
Yes, I've taken some stick for folding like a lawn chair.
Anyway, Forsaken finally feels like the sequel Destiny Year 3 deserved. The campaign was long, but had some excellent story beats, a lot of variety and some new tricks to throw at you as well. The structure of the game has changed a little as well, seeming to offer rewards for doing daily bite-sized chunks rather than marathon eight hour weekenders but even then there's so much on offer I cannot see how anyone could feasibly do every activity, every day of every week. It would take too long.
That's not to say the process is tedious at all, it's just that the rewards are so plentiful and the sources for them so numerous that it can feel a little overwhelming. Pick a few a day and be content.
Also, the new PvE / PvP hybrid mode Gambit is a blast, even if, true to Crucible form, I absolutely suck at it. I can't wait to gear up to an appropriate level and try the new raid.
Bottom line, it feels like Destiny as a hobby is back. My wife is most upset.
Well said, it's finally a worthy purchase and a decent bit of DLC. I'm still only 532, I get about 90 minutes a night to play after work, kids, gym etc, but those 90 minutes absolutely fly along and I make a little progress every night. Yes, I've taken some stick for folding like a lawn chair.
Anyway, Forsaken finally feels like the sequel Destiny Year 3 deserved. The campaign was long, but had some excellent story beats, a lot of variety and some new tricks to throw at you as well. The structure of the game has changed a little as well, seeming to offer rewards for doing daily bite-sized chunks rather than marathon eight hour weekenders but even then there's so much on offer I cannot see how anyone could feasibly do every activity, every day of every week. It would take too long.
That's not to say the process is tedious at all, it's just that the rewards are so plentiful and the sources for them so numerous that it can feel a little overwhelming. Pick a few a day and be content.
Also, the new PvE / PvP hybrid mode Gambit is a blast, even if, true to Crucible form, I absolutely suck at it. I can't wait to gear up to an appropriate level and try the new raid.
Bottom line, it feels like Destiny as a hobby is back. My wife is most upset.
My wife is happy, she gets to watch Netflix undisturbed on the iPad.
SimianWonder said:
Bottom line, it feels like Destiny as a hobby is back.
This in a nutshell.I've even been spending time in the crucible
only for the weeklies mind you
Powerwise, I'm pretty much there now at 596. Just need some lucky drops, and some more masterwork cores...
It'd be awesome if we could just keep this thread on topic rather than banging the same old "DLC content is evil" drum
Edited by Speckle on Thursday 11th October 16:30
Actually, the thread is intended for those playing Destiny 2 on PS4 to discuss the game that they're playing (I suspect you already know this) rather than the industry at large and whether or not expecting players to pay for DLC content is morally corrupt, which is hardly something exclusive to Destiny 2.
I'm sure you could all have a more meaningful discussion on a dedicated thread which would also attract input from a wider spectrum of gamers but, by all means continue to derail this one if you must....
I'm sure you could all have a more meaningful discussion on a dedicated thread which would also attract input from a wider spectrum of gamers but, by all means continue to derail this one if you must....
chunder27 said:
I think the point is that this game is perhaps the worst proponent of DLC among the recent bombs.
That is why it was raised, so very specific.
In your opinion not mine and, not really the intended focus of the thread.That is why it was raised, so very specific.
I would rather be discussing the gambit game mode and whether or not it feels balanced. The exotic drop rates, the new exotics themselves. Which weapons are good, which are bad. What are the better perks, Is it worth using super mods on armour in pvp, how are people finding the ascendant challenges, the blindwell tier 4 - so on and so forth.
What we have instead is a thread being taken over by a minority of people who aren't even playing the game in it's current form, discussing why they think the marketing/content release model is so very, very bad. Honestly, I literally couldn't care less than I do.
That's fine, it is a forum and threads get ruined/lose focus all the time. It isn't a discussion I have any wish to participate in however so, I shall leave you all to it and will continue to enjoy the game (with the possible exception of gambit which is becoming a ballache, something I was hoping to discuss here but, oh well).
Now then, where is that reddit bookmark...
Speckle, you keep going on about "the intended focus of this thread being on playing the game", but where is that stated? It's not, it's just your opinion.
The thread title is merely "Destiny 2 (PS4)", so any comments about Destiny 2 on the PS4 are relevant, including ones knocking it for its developer's abusive approach towards its player base.
If you want a thread for only those playing Destiny2 on the PS4 about actually playing the game, then by all means start one.
The thread title is merely "Destiny 2 (PS4)", so any comments about Destiny 2 on the PS4 are relevant, including ones knocking it for its developer's abusive approach towards its player base.
If you want a thread for only those playing Destiny2 on the PS4 about actually playing the game, then by all means start one.
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