Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020
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LeadFarmer said:
kowalski655 said:
On my phone so please excuse any typos, I'll try to answer. Also I don't have an XBt so it's more general! Also I'm not a very good pilot LOL
Revs: Can be tricky, the rev gauge will show it in thousands, can take a while to settle down
Altitude: reads from above sea level,not the ground,so be careful in mountains! The short needle reads 1000s,the longer one 100s. On electronic screens the reading is often shown beside the line too
Bearings: the heading indicator,that looks like a plane on older,"steam", gauges, or is a line across the top of a digital screen,rotates to show which direction,or hearing,you're pointing in. The display rotates,not the plane. There's a small triangle thing that can be rotated with the heading setting knob,that will point the autopilot in that direction.
Climb; you have it-too steep a climb and you stall. More power or a shallower angle does the trick. GA planes can be sloooooow
Trim: a plane,when hands off the stick,has a tendency to climb or five,bank left or right, depending on weight, power etc. Trim will offset this,so if it climbed, you set nose down trim to keep an altitude etc. You can also set trim to climb/descend hands off, to reach a certain level
I'm afraid I don't know how sensitive the Xbox controller is or if there are options for adjusting it,and the only Xbox compatible yoke comes in at £300+!!! Not sure about joysticks
Loads of good stuff on the YouTube,way better than I can explain
e.g. https://youtu.be/VPrljZevacU 7 part series, plenty of others, this guy shouts "Clear prop!" when starting on the computer at least he doesn't wear a full flight suit (AFAIK)
Thanks, I've managed to understand reading the altitude and engine power/revs instruments.Revs: Can be tricky, the rev gauge will show it in thousands, can take a while to settle down
Altitude: reads from above sea level,not the ground,so be careful in mountains! The short needle reads 1000s,the longer one 100s. On electronic screens the reading is often shown beside the line too
Bearings: the heading indicator,that looks like a plane on older,"steam", gauges, or is a line across the top of a digital screen,rotates to show which direction,or hearing,you're pointing in. The display rotates,not the plane. There's a small triangle thing that can be rotated with the heading setting knob,that will point the autopilot in that direction.
Climb; you have it-too steep a climb and you stall. More power or a shallower angle does the trick. GA planes can be sloooooow
Trim: a plane,when hands off the stick,has a tendency to climb or five,bank left or right, depending on weight, power etc. Trim will offset this,so if it climbed, you set nose down trim to keep an altitude etc. You can also set trim to climb/descend hands off, to reach a certain level
I'm afraid I don't know how sensitive the Xbox controller is or if there are options for adjusting it,and the only Xbox compatible yoke comes in at £300+!!! Not sure about joysticks
Loads of good stuff on the YouTube,way better than I can explain
e.g. https://youtu.be/VPrljZevacU 7 part series, plenty of others, this guy shouts "Clear prop!" when starting on the computer
at least he doesn't wear a full flight suit (AFAIK)Edited by kowalski655 on Sunday 26th December 13:37
Trim is one thing I need to learn when flying the Cessna on the Xbox. If there is an in-game tutorial then I missed it.
Not sure how to do it yet so I'll read up. Problem I have is once im at the desired altitude and take hands off, the plane descends so I'm constantly correcting it. It also drifts left or right which i'm also having to correct. So I asume trim will set these correctly so the plane will fly at a constant height without me having to always be adjusting etc?
Edited by LeadFarmer on Sunday 26th December 16:15
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VladD said:
If you've got plenty of spare time, the official flying lessons are quite good.
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El stovey said:
It’s pretty hard to trim out all the forces in the Xbox controller but you can get reasonably close.
I THINK you use the right shoulder button and the right joystick but check the controls guide.
The way to do it is let go and see what happens, if you’re trying to fly level but when you let go you’re climbing loads then it’s right shoulder button and forwards right joystick for a couple of seconds then return to what you want and let go and see what happens if you’re descending you’ve done too much and if you’re still climbing you need to do a bit more.
Thanks, that seems to work. Looks like I did the tutorial for trimming but at the time I dont think I knew what I was doing but managed to blag it through.I THINK you use the right shoulder button and the right joystick but check the controls guide.
The way to do it is let go and see what happens, if you’re trying to fly level but when you let go you’re climbing loads then it’s right shoulder button and forwards right joystick for a couple of seconds then return to what you want and let go and see what happens if you’re descending you’ve done too much and if you’re still climbing you need to do a bit more.
For the Xbox controller I got a thumb stick extender (for the left stick) which makes small control movements easier. Otherwise it’s very sensitive.
Obviously it depends how into it you are. A joystick would be better but that needs to be plugged in and I prefer just sitting back on the sofa with the Xbox controller wire free.
Obviously it depends how into it you are. A joystick would be better but that needs to be plugged in and I prefer just sitting back on the sofa with the Xbox controller wire free.
Thankfully I've sorted out how to read the cockpit instruments and my trim.
Having done the tutorials i'm spending time free flying the Cessna. Been taking off from a local grass air field that's only a mile or so from my house and flying over where I live, just for fun. Good to see my house in on the map, although obviously some buildings are different to how they really are.
Moving forward, are there challenges/activities where you have to do things such as depart/arrive at certain times, pass way markers etc?
Having done the tutorials i'm spending time free flying the Cessna. Been taking off from a local grass air field that's only a mile or so from my house and flying over where I live, just for fun. Good to see my house in on the map, although obviously some buildings are different to how they really are.
Moving forward, are there challenges/activities where you have to do things such as depart/arrive at certain times, pass way markers etc?
For the Dr Who fan, full scale model of Citadel of Gallifrey in the Sahara - https://flightsim.to/file/25311/gallifrey-citadel-...
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There are the landing challenges and bush flights, but the advantage of the sim is you can set any challenge you want! Take off in a storm at midnight? A few sliders and bobs your uncle. Because MSFS made flight Sims (relatively) popular again, there are thousands of tutorials,text and on the YouTube, to play with. Lots of books published to jump on the bandwagon too but why pay when you have the internet.
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There are the landing challenges and bush flights, but the advantage of the sim is you can set any challenge you want! Take off in a storm at midnight? A few sliders and bobs your uncle. Because MSFS made flight Sims (relatively) popular again, there are thousands of tutorials,text and on the YouTube, to play with. Lots of books published to jump on the bandwagon too but why pay when you have the internet.
Really really enjoying this Have even managed a few of the landing challenges using the Xbox controller but am finding the lack of a mouse and/or keyboard very limiting. Am toying with getting a cheap wireless keyboard/mouse for £20 and the Thrustmaster joystick. It is absolutely stunning and an amazing accomplishment.
Edit: using the right shoulder button and right joystick to trim out control forces makes a massive difference, you can easily get into the menus and do ATC etc without it crashing. Probably a really obvious answer to this but I’ve not worked out how to zoom into the garmin display and enter routes etc…have tried clicking on it but nothing happens and it stays zoomed out. However I take my hat off to Asobo for it being this good to play on an Xbox controller and looking utterly amazing too. Worth every penny sofar
Have even managed a few of the landing challenges using the Xbox controller but am finding the lack of a mouse and/or keyboard very limiting. Am toying with getting a cheap wireless keyboard/mouse for £20 and the Thrustmaster joystick. It is absolutely stunning and an amazing accomplishment.Edit: using the right shoulder button and right joystick to trim out control forces makes a massive difference, you can easily get into the menus and do ATC etc without it crashing. Probably a really obvious answer to this but I’ve not worked out how to zoom into the garmin display and enter routes etc…have tried clicking on it but nothing happens and it stays zoomed out. However I take my hat off to Asobo for it being this good to play on an Xbox controller and looking utterly amazing too. Worth every penny sofar
Edited by Siko on Tuesday 28th December 09:53
Siko said:
Really really enjoying this Have even managed a few of the landing challenges using the Xbox controller but am finding the lack of a mouse and/or keyboard very limiting. Am toying with getting a cheap wireless keyboard/mouse for £20 and the Thrustmaster joystick. It is absolutely stunning and an amazing accomplishment.
Edit: using the right shoulder button and right joystick to trim out control forces makes a massive difference, you can easily get into the menus and do ATC etc without it crashing. Probably a really obvious answer to this but I’ve not worked out how to zoom into the garmin display and enter routes etc…have tried clicking on it but nothing happens and it stays zoomed out. However I take my hat off to Asobo for it being this good to play on an Xbox controller and looking utterly amazing too. Worth every penny sofar
You left shoulder button and left stick to look/move about the cockpit and then left shoulder button and l/r trigger to move up and down. Have even managed a few of the landing challenges using the Xbox controller but am finding the lack of a mouse and/or keyboard very limiting. Am toying with getting a cheap wireless keyboard/mouse for £20 and the Thrustmaster joystick. It is absolutely stunning and an amazing accomplishment.Edit: using the right shoulder button and right joystick to trim out control forces makes a massive difference, you can easily get into the menus and do ATC etc without it crashing. Probably a really obvious answer to this but I’ve not worked out how to zoom into the garmin display and enter routes etc…have tried clicking on it but nothing happens and it stays zoomed out. However I take my hat off to Asobo for it being this good to play on an Xbox controller and looking utterly amazing too. Worth every penny sofar
Edited by Siko on Tuesday 28th December 09:53
You can find a view you like and save it with left shoulder and B and then if you want to return to it then it’s left shoulder and y
Pressing down on right thumb stick returns to default cockpit view.
There’s loads of quick selections with the Xbox controller, it just takes a while to get used to it.
There’s quick selections for altitude hold which helps if you want to do other stuff looking down. Obviously just engaging the autopilot without selecting a mode might create all sorts of undesirable flight states,
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 28th December 10:52
What you do need to do with the Xbox is if you’re doing bush trips assign a quick control for refuel. I did in with both shoulder buttons as during the bush trip stopping at the refuelling stations doesn’t work and you run out of fuel after a few legs.
Obviously you can make it more realistic by only using it when you land etc.
Obviously you can make it more realistic by only using it when you land etc.
Next question: I have been trying to instal the world updates (on Xbox) for about 4 days now and am tearing my hair out. Do you have to instal them in order or can you just pick and choose? Have tried the German update and it is painfully slow and then when you leave the Xbox on overnight it seems to power off and you have to start from scratch again. Also seems to change the size every time I look at it too…really frustrating experience. Otherwise this is absolutely brilliant.
Siko said:
Next question: I have been trying to instal the world updates (on Xbox) for about 4 days now and am tearing my hair out. Do you have to instal them in order or can you just pick and choose? Have tried the German update and it is painfully slow and then when you leave the Xbox on overnight it seems to power off and you have to start from scratch again. Also seems to change the size every time I look at it too…really frustrating experience. Otherwise this is absolutely brilliant.
I think you can pick and chose which you want but it shouldn’t be an issue. From what I remember there’s two updates you have to do, there’s the automatic initial one when you open the game (checking for updates) then you have to select them by ticking them on your profile-content manager
More importantly, you can also tell your Xbox not to power off in the Xbox (settings-general-sleep mode & startup-turn off after . . ) I made this ‘don’t turn off automatically’, so it keeps downloading over night or when you’re not on it.
There’s also a decent flightsim forum
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/
That often has good info about issues or things people have discovered.
One thing I would add is that although it’s a great game, it does have all sorts of glitches. It’s more like a thing that’s constantly evolving than something which can be viewed as a finished product.
This might sound odd but it seems to be how it is. The glitches you find next week might go in the next sim update but there will likely be some new ones appearing then that we haven’t seen yet.
It can be frustrating depending on which bits break and if it’s bits you use or not.
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/
That often has good info about issues or things people have discovered.
One thing I would add is that although it’s a great game, it does have all sorts of glitches. It’s more like a thing that’s constantly evolving than something which can be viewed as a finished product.
This might sound odd but it seems to be how it is. The glitches you find next week might go in the next sim update but there will likely be some new ones appearing then that we haven’t seen yet.
It can be frustrating depending on which bits break and if it’s bits you use or not.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 29th December 10:59
Thanks mate, I think I have sorted the download thing outside msfs as we were having the same issue with downloading the game pass games. However is still does it with msfs if you leave the game for any reason - when you go back in it says you have been disconnected from marketplace. I’ve given up on trying to download all the world updates on one go and cancelled the lot. I logged back in and just selected a couple I wanted and it downloaded and installed them without too much trouble (although Japan was downloaded twice!).
It was nice to get the outer skerries airport at last - I used to fly past there on a daily basis (for real) a few years back and always wandered what it would be like to fly out of there. The new airport looks amazing and it is really huge fun for me to try some circuits in/out of there. The more I play this game the more I think it suits vfr rather than ifr….I’ve seen all the videos of real airline pilots flying routes etc but it just looks so difficult fiddling around with FMSs and the crappy ATC. Maybe I’ll give that a go when I get bored of vfr!
Edit: cheers have joined the forums but not seen much of use ref installing the updates other than lots of people on Xbox having problems aswell!
It was nice to get the outer skerries airport at last - I used to fly past there on a daily basis (for real) a few years back and always wandered what it would be like to fly out of there. The new airport looks amazing and it is really huge fun for me to try some circuits in/out of there. The more I play this game the more I think it suits vfr rather than ifr….I’ve seen all the videos of real airline pilots flying routes etc but it just looks so difficult fiddling around with FMSs and the crappy ATC. Maybe I’ll give that a go when I get bored of vfr!
Edit: cheers have joined the forums but not seen much of use ref installing the updates other than lots of people on Xbox having problems aswell!
I fly vfr the majority of the time. I’m currently on a round the world trip in a Cirrus. I could climb to 15,000 ft and set a route, but I’m enjoying seeing what’s on the ground. I’m usually no more than 3,000 ft.
Flying in real time is giving me headache though as it’s generally dark out there when I get a chance to have a go!
Flying in real time is giving me headache though as it’s generally dark out there when I get a chance to have a go!
El stovey said:
One thing I would add is that although it’s a great game, it does have all sorts of glitches. It’s more like a thing that’s constantly evolving than something which can be viewed as a finished product.
This might sound odd but it seems to be how it is. The glitches you find next week might go in the next sim update but there will likely be some new ones appearing then that we haven’t seen yet.
It can be frustrating depending on which bits break and if it’s bits you use or not.
I've never come across a game that's quite such a moving target and many aspects are so badly thought out it makes me wonder whether real humans made the decisions. This might sound odd but it seems to be how it is. The glitches you find next week might go in the next sim update but there will likely be some new ones appearing then that we haven’t seen yet.
It can be frustrating depending on which bits break and if it’s bits you use or not.
The installer and update process is another one. I'd expect a set up like that from a coding project by 7 yr olds, or 97 yr olds.
It must also be a nightmare being a payware developer for this. Your product might only work for 3-6 weeks before they destroy it again. I don't see a modest plane being launched now having support, or simply keeping it working, for a multiple year time frame.
That also makes me wary of spending money as I've no idea when they're going to lose hope and walk away.
After well over a year I stilll marvel at it, but I also marvel at how cranky and bizarre the whole thing's framework is.
bloomen said:
El stovey said:
One thing I would add is that although it’s a great game, it does have all sorts of glitches. It’s more like a thing that’s constantly evolving than something which can be viewed as a finished product.
This might sound odd but it seems to be how it is. The glitches you find next week might go in the next sim update but there will likely be some new ones appearing then that we haven’t seen yet.
It can be frustrating depending on which bits break and if it’s bits you use or not.
I've never come across a game that's quite such a moving target and many aspects are so badly thought out it makes me wonder whether real humans made the decisions. This might sound odd but it seems to be how it is. The glitches you find next week might go in the next sim update but there will likely be some new ones appearing then that we haven’t seen yet.
It can be frustrating depending on which bits break and if it’s bits you use or not.
The installer and update process is another one. I'd expect a set up like that from a coding project by 7 yr olds, or 97 yr olds.
It must also be a nightmare being a payware developer for this. Your product might only work for 3-6 weeks before they destroy it again. I don't see a modest plane being launched now having support, or simply keeping it working, for a multiple year time frame.
That also makes me wary of spending money as I've no idea when they're going to lose hope and walk away.
After well over a year I stilll marvel at it, but I also marvel at how cranky and bizarre the whole thing's framework is.
Asobo apparently test it and after a few weeks it appears on the marketplace.
Then within minutes of Thursday marketplace update and release people start reporting issues on the forum. Initially you get a “some users report” response but as it’s the Xbox you know it’s everyone that’s going to have the same issue. Then the product gets pulled from the marketplace and people are getting refunds (who bother to go through the process), the developer is issuing frustrated statements as they’re getting rubbished on forums through no fault of their own. Then it takes 3 months (and counting) for any solution and the users like me who didn’t go for the refund are still wondering when it will get sorted.
In the meantime there’s probably sim updates and all sorts making it difficult.
God knows how many people Asobo have in their team but they need loads more to speed up market place releases and test products and then fix ones which aren’t working.
That’s outside any of the problems their own sim updates create for the core game itself.
I love this game and asobo have frequently reiterated it’s a 10 year project and thankfully as it’s such a monster, all the big developers seem very committed to it. I don’t think it will ever be a finished product though, it’s just a constantly evolving product where all sorts of random things might happen when you go on it.
I think many of the issues have been sorted though like bush trips, which work well now but there’s still all sorts of weird things that happen that can leave you with a blank screen.
On the console I think I get most issues if I try to do an IFR flight with arrivals and the transition from arrival to approach seems to often cause problems. Flying around vfr seems to be far less problematic for me.
At least on the Xbox it only takes a minute to get back into the game if it borks.
surveyor said:
I had to reinstall windows yesterday due to a major system upgrade.
Been downloading fs for 20 hours. 25% to go, and then the content from the content manager. They really need to turn up the dials on the file servers.
You can avoid a redownload for the Windows Store version at least. Been downloading fs for 20 hours. 25% to go, and then the content from the content manager. They really need to turn up the dials on the file servers.
Copy and paste everything in the Onestore folder, that's the one that's inside the Official folder, from your old install.
Install again in the new iteration so it sets up the folders, then stop the download. Delete everything in the new Onestore folder and paste all the old stuff in there.
It starts up and runs just fine as if nothing ever changed. It would take two solid days to redownload for me so this is extremely less painful.
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