Elden Ring

[Durzel]

Yeah those are fair criticisms.

I don't think it's got it exactly right. I get the whole "isn't it brilliant that you can go off and do whatever you want and fight whatever, no matter what level you are", but that doesn't tell the whole story at all.

I have about 20 tabs open on my phone browser for quests and NPCs I need to remember, in lieu of the game having any kind of notes or record of what NPCs said, so the idea that you can go off and find this stuff out on your own is inconsistent with reality, I think. It's perfectly possible to miss entire questlines or progress them in ways you didn't intend simply by playing the game and doing things that aren't obviously counter productive. The problem is that when people make criticisms like this "the internet" naturally responds in kind by suggesting that people are asking for popups saying "Do you really want to end Millicent's quest by committing this act? [Y/N]".

NPCs just disappear and reappear somewhere else, without any indication of why they're going to that location. You pretty much just find them by chance, or by following a step by step quest guide done by someone else who has already gone through the pain.

I have no idea at all what the status effects are on my character at any given point. I mean the ones underneath your health/mind/stamina bars. As far as I can tell there si no in game way at all of finding out what they are. I went to the "Status" page, naturally assuming that's where they would be, but it's not.

I too didn't realise I needed a "seal" for incantations. Spent longer than I'd like to admit trying to work out why I had a high enough Faith level but couldn't cast them.

The "you need to invade 3 times" to get to that farming spot is a bit of a weak criticism, though. For starters, there are other ways to get to Mohgwyn Palace besides the invasion quest line, that's just a faster way to get there. If you're trying to get there just to abuse that glitch (like I did) then I don't think you can really complain about the circumstances for basically teleporting there prematurely. Also, you can invade and just abandon the invasion - it still counts.

[Steven_RW]

anxious_ant said:

Just got this game on PC, as could use some distraction.
Can't seem to get the game to go into full screen on my ultrawide (3440x1440), although the game settings seems to support that resolution?
Quick Google suggests using 3rd party tools to bypass EAC which I am not overly keen on.

Sadly, the answer here is that Elden Ring DOES NOT include support for ultrawide monitors or the 21:9 ratio. Instead, when selecting a native resolution for 21:9, such as 3440×1440, the game will be presented in a 16:9 ratio.

[ZedLeg]

Durzel said:

I have about 20 tabs open on my phone browser for quests and NPCs I need to remember, in lieu of the game having any kind of notes or record of what NPCs said, so the idea that you can go off and find this stuff out on your own is inconsistent with reality, I think. It's perfectly possible to miss entire questlines or progress them in ways you didn't intend simply by playing the game and doing things that aren't obviously counter productive. The problem is that when people make criticisms like this "the internet" naturally responds in kind by suggesting that people are asking for popups saying "Do you really want to end Millicent's quest by committing this act? [Y/N]".

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Yeah, I appreciate that the game doesn't hold your hand like a lot of modern rpgs but a diary or journal is a useful feature in even the most basic pen and paper rpg. While you can keep a journal outside of the game yourself, I don't think that adding something where you can reference stuff in game would be a terrible idea.

[Trustmeimadoctor]

Durzel said:

Yeah those are fair criticisms.

The "you need to invade 3 times" to get to that farming spot is a bit of a weak criticism, though. For starters, there are other ways to get to Mohgwyn Palace besides the invasion quest line, that's just a faster way to get there. If you're trying to get there just to abuse that glitch (like I did) then I don't think you can really complain about the circumstances for basically teleporting there prematurely. Also, you can invade and just abandon the invasion - it still counts.

if there was a way to know you could get there another way then id have used it
also on that quest you need to get the blood off the body you first see in the church right at the beginning how the hell are you supposed to know that and you need to have found the four belfries site to get back there


i found patches the other day as i was trying to buy something from him the shackle so i went to the cave beat him (let him surrender) then tried to buy from him nope wouldn't let me (guide said i could) so i thought ok will get back to start then come in again nope not there look at guide ok he goes somewhere else, go there he isnt there, then apparently he can go somewhere else, go there nada. ok guide says he goes to volcano manor but i hover over the icon it doesnt say he is there but i teleport there anyway and yeah turns out he is there.

it seems it does really matter what order you do things as you say you can totally miss lots of bits by just wandering around so it does seem there is actually an order you should play it in so you actually get some sort of story



the beast man wants to kill me now the one you take the eyes to. i have no idea why i tried going to the church to get it to reset npc anger but it says i dont need it

[Durzel]

You have to hurt Beast Man enough for him to stop fighting you, like Patches. Again, the fact there are some situations where you need to stop fighting is opaque, you can easily just carry on fighting these red name enemies until they die, or do so much damage in a short space of time that you don't even get the opportunity to stop attacking. You only know to stop attacking in most cases if you've already read an out of game guide that tells you that XYZ happens if you do.

I note also that you can summon Spirit Ashes in that area, so I imagine if you brought one of them in they'd carry on attacking Beast Man after he had tried to yield, though I've not tested this (as I knew about it beforehand).

In my game I had some sort of bugged situation where he yielded after I did next to no damage to him, I barely scratched him.

I haven't seen Patches yet so no idea where he is to begin with, much less where he might be now. I might come across him or - more likely - I'll end up completing the game without ever seeing him.

[ZedLeg]

I accidentally killed patches because I didn't know he would yield and was using my hookclaws. By the time he yielded I had done enough bleed damage that he died anyway

[Trustmeimadoctor]

he is in murkwater cave i think its called.


ok will go attack the beast priest see if he yields. it just surprised me id been talking to him all nice i turned around went to try that big bird man stood outside then i realized im getting hit from behind!

[Durzel]

Trustmeimadoctor said:

he is in murkwater cave i think its called.


ok will go attack the beast priest see if he yields. it just surprised me id been talking to him all nice i turned around went to try that big bird man stood outside then i realized im getting hit from behind!

If memory serves he attacks you after you've given him 4 Deathroots, either straight away or the next time you reload the area. He shows up as a red name. He yields after you do some damage and says that the Deathroot consumed him, or something, and doesn't attack again after that.

I fortunately don't have anything that does damage over time, but I use a +10 Black Knight Tiche for ashes and she just straight up murders stuff, so had I brought her in I think she would've wrecked him before I had a chance to do anything.

[Steven_RW]

Reading through the suggested points to improve the game over the last couple of pages. I am confident that From Soft have either thought of all these themeselves or read through other players comments over the last few souls games and one way or the other decided that they don't want to include them.

I played through the game once taking around 120 hours or so. Trying to do everything I could find but only following any advice when I really couldn't progress. Now I am playing through with a faith built and am still doing extra exploring and finding little areas I missed entirely on the first play through. This is the time I will try and pick up some of the other questlines that I either started and messed up or never managed to start at all.

The game isn't supposed to be completed in it's entirety on the first play through. They want you to have some replayability as a different style of character making difference choices with different consequences.

The aim isn't to rattle through the game in one play through and shelf it for life.

I had played Dark Souls 3 through about 4 times when a friendly streamer pointed out you could get married of sorts in the game to one of the NPC and get right involved in their story line. I had entirely missed this every time. Rather than being dissapointed I was pleased to find something new to me after so many hours already invested.

RW

[Trustmeimadoctor]

i imagine they have thought about all these things but they seem to revel in making things difficult for the sake of it.

i dont feel any sense of achievement when i complete things on this just relief that its over not in a good way.

i hate the comments people chuck around like if you dont like it your not a real game or your not really into rpg's but ive been gaming for about 38 years and may favorite genre is rpg's ive never found one that is as annoying for silly reasons as this. id hate to know how may hours ive spent playing rpgs but it would be a few thousand hours

[deckster]

Trustmeimadoctor said:

i imagine they have thought about all these things but they seem to revel in making things difficult for the sake of it.

We seem to have taken this thread full circle now.

[FourWheelDrift]

I don't consider it an RPG, it's a challenge game.

[Trustmeimadoctor]

deckster said:

Trustmeimadoctor said:

i imagine they have thought about all these things but they seem to revel in making things difficult for the sake of it.

We seem to have taken this thread full circle now.

indeed at this rate i will end up with over 200 hour on this playthrough maybe 225 - 250

[Steven_RW]

Trustmeimadoctor said:

i imagine they have thought about all these things but they seem to revel in making things difficult for the sake of it.

i dont feel any sense of achievement when i complete things on this just relief that its over not in a good way.

i hate the comments people chuck around like if you dont like it your not a real game or your not really into rpg's but ive been gaming for about 38 years and may favorite genre is rpg's ive never found one that is as annoying for silly reasons as this. id hate to know how may hours ive spent playing rpgs but it would be a few thousand hours

My first machine was a zx spectrum and I haven't stopped gaming since. I know exactly what you mean. I knew of the souls games but always avoided them like the plague. Why would I want to just die over and over and over. What sort of gaming experience is that? I stumbled into GAME one lunchtime April 2015 wanting to find something new to play. I decided it was time to take on the challenge and was choosing between dark souls 2 SOTFS on PS4 or Bloodborne. The guy in the shop said why not try Bloodborne as it was specifically made for your PS4 and just released. So i did. I went through all the emotions that people in this thread are displaying and finally came out the other side.

I think the issue that you experience is once it is all over, you realise no other (or very few..) games give you the fear and the challenge these do and you miss it and as such you end up playing another play through or NG+ or pick up another souls game after trying a few regular games and finding them dull.

From Soft want to reward those that work really hard. Be that writing down your own quest notes. Be that reading every single little piece of lore and description that you find. Be that beating your face off the hardest most challenging enemy until you finally defeat it or whatever. They have carved out their niche and god bless them for doing it :-).

When you finally defeat the game you get a badge of honour and can wear it with pride. Keep at it.

[Trustmeimadoctor]

so your saying i need to become an d&d nerd

[Steven_RW]

Trustmeimadoctor said:

so your saying i need to become an d&d nerd

"become"? ;-)

38 years a gamer huh. I'm sure you already earned that badge.

[Mastodon2]

Trustmeimadoctor said:

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i dont feel any sense of achievement when i complete things on this just relief that its over not in a good way.

It sounds like the lack the mental resilience to enjoy a game like this. Most enjoy the challenge.

[anxious_ant]

Steven_RW said:

anxious_ant said:

Just got this game on PC, as could use some distraction.
Can't seem to get the game to go into full screen on my ultrawide (3440x1440), although the game settings seems to support that resolution?
Quick Google suggests using 3rd party tools to bypass EAC which I am not overly keen on.

Sadly, the answer here is that Elden Ring DOES NOT include support for ultrawide monitors or the 21:9 ratio. Instead, when selecting a native resolution for 21:9, such as 3440×1440, the game will be presented in a 16:9 ratio.

I see, not a biggie as I can play on my other 1440p 16:9 monitor.
This is my first Souls game and it definitely feel different to other games. I like how there is no setting for difficulties, it makes the whole game feel more "real" if that makes sense.
Although not really getting on with the keyboard and mouse control at the moment. Perhaps I need more practice but feels clunky in combat.

Edited by anxious_ant on Friday 29th April 08:15

[Steven_RW]

anxious_ant said:

Steven_RW said:

anxious_ant said:

Just got this game on PC, as could use some distraction.
Can't seem to get the game to go into full screen on my ultrawide (3440x1440), although the game settings seems to support that resolution?
Quick Google suggests using 3rd party tools to bypass EAC which I am not overly keen on.

Sadly, the answer here is that Elden Ring DOES NOT include support for ultrawide monitors or the 21:9 ratio. Instead, when selecting a native resolution for 21:9, such as 3440×1440, the game will be presented in a 16:9 ratio.

I see, not a biggie as I can play on my other 1440p 16:9 monitor.
This is my first Souls game and it definitely feel different to other games. I like how there is no setting for difficulties, it makes the whole game feel more "real" if that makes sense.
Although not really getting on with the keyboard and mouse control at the moment. Perhaps I need more practice but feels clunky in combat.

Edited by anxious_ant on Friday 29th April 08:15

IMO, no matter how much of a PC gamer you are and how used to keyb & mouse play style, the game plays best with a controller. If you have an xbox one or ps4 controller laying around, connect it to the PC as to me the game is much more natural that way.

Stick with it and level up whenever you can as it slowly means your character becomes more ready for the rest of the map.

[Trustmeimadoctor]

down down down st gone passed my health flask down down down down st again down down down down down ffs im dead