Destiny 2 - Lightfall

[SimianWonder]

The boss cheese still worked as of the weekend just gone. After the current maintenance is another question.

I suspect they'll be patching Fighting Lion whilst leaving the sound effect issues and Vex Incursion event stability utterly broken. And yes, I'm salty as **** about it.

[Speckle]

Mastodon2 said:

Proving Ground is done, three times helping different friends, used one of those opportunities to do it as a Stasis Warlock so I could go up to rank 10.

Hypernet Current wasn't too bad once we learned that you can carry a minotaur skull into the sparrow section and shoot one of the Taken blights to shoot down the boopers. Then we just climbed the course slowly, killing ads as we went and lining the jumps up perfectly. The boss was a bit hectic as one of went down l almost immediately and his ghost fell into a crack in the floor and we couldn't get down to res him. He acted as a spotter while we two-manned the boss.

Mars Battleground bested us, unfortunately. It was the last one we tried and when we fell in the boss room, we didn't have time to go again. I'm already thinking of ways to do better, mainly a Graviton Forfeit infinite invisibility build, instead of the Gyrfalcon 'mostly invisible' build. I think we can get one guy in the left cheese spot to damage the boss, one guy in the right cheese spot to hide and I'll dart around the edges of the room while invisible killing line ads and getting the arc balls. If we get that done, Conqueror is as good as gilded as I think everything is relatively trivial, as long as the Lake of Shadows cheese still works.

I finished gilding over the weekend. I thought it would be much harder this season following all the difficulty tuning but, if anything, it was easier than normal because we have surges and strand now.

My first attempt at Hypernet was quite funny. Got to the boss room easily enough, popped a well to clear the initial wave of enemies in relative safety and, no sooner had the well expired, 3 of the axion balls appeared round the corner and wiped the entire team - it was so instant and utterly unavoidable, it was actually funny!!

Your strategy for Mars is pretty much exactly how we did it. First couple of attempts, I ran well warlock but our Hunter was running 6th coyote without gamblers dodge or high enough stats. We cleared it first time when I ran Graviton Hunter. Killing the knights is still risky, an arc special weapon is well worth it imo for popping their shields a split second faster. My top tip is that before you pick up the arc ball, you want to go invis either by dodging, or by getting a finisher on the knight. You want to save your trappers ambush for just before you dunk as you can use this to go invis without dropping the arc ball whereas if you dodge, you'll drop the ball behind you. My strategy in the end was to go invis via trappers ambush on the stairs and by the time I'd dunked, I had my dodge back to safely get away when I'd return to the safe spot on the left with my teammate and wait for another knight to get close.

If you have a strand titan on your team, they can suspend the knight using their barricade from up in the cheesespot. We didn't do this but, I've seen it done and it seems to make killing the knights much safer.

Edited by Speckle on Tuesday 25th April 12:18

[Speckle]

SimianWonder said:

The boss cheese still worked as of the weekend just gone. After the current maintenance is another question.

I suspect they'll be patching Fighting Lion whilst leaving the sound effect issues and Vex Incursion event stability utterly broken. And yes, I'm salty as **** about it.

You're always salty about something!

(Maybe they don't know about Fighting Lion, I haven't told anyone besides you!) . It'll still be very good with gyrfalcons anyway - it was my most used exotic last season!

What's wrong with the Vex incursion thingy? I did that for the first time over the weekend, and it dropped an exotic - isn't that what's meant to happen?

Edited by Speckle on Tuesday 25th April 11:56

[SimianWonder]

Speckle said:

You're always salty about something!

(Maybe they don't know about Fighting Lion, I haven't told anyone besides you!) . It'll still be very good with gyrfalcons anyway - it was my most used exotic last season!

Fighting Lion is still untouched. *Phew!*

Speckle said:

What's wrong with the Vex incursion thingy? I did that for the first time over the weekend, and it dropped an exotic - isn't that what's meant to happen?

Edited by Speckle on Tuesday 25th April 11:56

The Vex Incursion event used to crash 90% of the time, usually once you'd spent time getting to the final encounter. I've only managed one successful completion in about six attempts, and I know I'm not alone there. Mercifully, that actually was one of the items patched with this hotfix. Hooray!

[Speckle]

I can only assume that the Fighting Lion damage bug is either a) extremely complicated to fix, b) they have no idea what's causing it or c) it's working as intended and Bungie just want us to have some fun

I for one will be running Gyrfalcons and Fighting Lion exclusively until it's fixed

Same with the vorpal bug(s), which will be a higher priority to fix I expect. Not only does it work with Osteo, but also anything with incandescent (not with Le Monarque or witherhoard though, I tried both)

[Mastodon2]

Mars GM is done. We rotated out a player who was something of a loose wheel, you know the type; always dropping a Warlock well when there is no threat, burning heavy ammo on red bars when we're under no pressure and can afford to take them down with primary, turns up at the boss room with no heavy etc. Making the change to another player who is quite a lot better helped considerably.

Previously, we were getting swarmed at the hacking door, so had elected to use the high ground at the side of the area and have me go down as an invisible Hunter to reset the door whenever it got interrupted. With two Warlocks running Phoenix Protocol, they were able to chain wells and I could drop Omnioculus smoke to keep up alive if anything made it into the well that could kill is inside. I feel like our runs were 10 minutes quicker on that section, we had it down to the point where were never got interrupted and were going flawless up to the boss room.

That boss room though, it's a toughie and it definitely took us a little while to figure out. I went from Gyrfalcon to Graivton Forfeit to try and get more up-time on the invisibility but it still seems like it can't do 100% up-time by chaining abilities like it used to and I didn't want to have to engage enemies as it's too easy to break the invis ability chain and get caught out. I went Omnioculus, which turned out to be a godsend. I felt like the invisibility time was on par with the Graviton, but figured that some extra damage resistance would help. We still wiped 3 or 4 times on the boss as we figured out the strategy but the runs were getting so quick and smooth that it wasn't too painful as we figured the strategy out.

Our biggest failing was trying to complete the fight without killing the champions. Also, I didn't know until the final, successful run that Omni can instantly refund it's smoke melee charge if you make two teammates invisible with the same shadow dive. You can tell I'm not a Hunter main, I'd never even worn Omni before last night, I only pulled it from the vault for this occasion. We had one Warlock with Leviathan's Breath, he popped the unstoppable orge as soon as it appeared, then we could move across the front of the arena without dying, we were able to kite the boss away, drop a well and lure the barrier knight down and drop him. After that, we chained wells and killed the arc charge knights while I invis'd the team and ran the orbs to the centre. After the last orb was in, we knew we were home and dry, so we got back into the cheese spots and I cheered the Warlocks on as they burned the boss down with their remaining heavy ammo and grenades.

Perhaps the biggest thing in our success was the instant refund on smoke from Omni. I've put thousands of hours into the game and didn't know it could do that! Once I knew that, I was able to drop the orbs into the dunk point nearly as fast as my friends could make them.

Unfortunately, both of those guys gilded their Conqueror seal and lost the node, so we couldn't run any more GMs. I've only got Lake of Shadows and Glassway left to do, both of which I think will be pretty trivial compared to Mars. First ever Conqueror seal soon to be completed and gilded!

[WhisperingWasp]

Mastodon2 said:

Mars GM is done. We rotated out a player who was something of a loose wheel, you know the type; always dropping a Warlock well when there is no threat, burning heavy ammo on red bars when we're under no pressure and can afford to take them down with primary, turns up at the boss room with no heavy etc. Making the change to another player who is quite a lot better helped considerably.

Previously, we were getting swarmed at the hacking door, so had elected to use the high ground at the side of the area and have me go down as an invisible Hunter to reset the door whenever it got interrupted. With two Warlocks running Phoenix Protocol, they were able to chain wells and I could drop Omnioculus smoke to keep up alive if anything made it into the well that could kill is inside. I feel like our runs were 10 minutes quicker on that section, we had it down to the point where were never got interrupted and were going flawless up to the boss room.

That boss room though, it's a toughie and it definitely took us a little while to figure out. I went from Gyrfalcon to Graivton Forfeit to try and get more up-time on the invisibility but it still seems like it can't do 100% up-time by chaining abilities like it used to and I didn't want to have to engage enemies as it's too easy to break the invis ability chain and get caught out. I went Omnioculus, which turned out to be a godsend. I felt like the invisibility time was on par with the Graviton, but figured that some extra damage resistance would help. We still wiped 3 or 4 times on the boss as we figured out the strategy but the runs were getting so quick and smooth that it wasn't too painful as we figured the strategy out.

Our biggest failing was trying to complete the fight without killing the champions. Also, I didn't know until the final, successful run that Omni can instantly refund it's smoke melee charge if you make two teammates invisible with the same shadow dive. You can tell I'm not a Hunter main, I'd never even worn Omni before last night, I only pulled it from the vault for this occasion. We had one Warlock with Leviathan's Breath, he popped the unstoppable orge as soon as it appeared, then we could move across the front of the arena without dying, we were able to kite the boss away, drop a well and lure the barrier knight down and drop him. After that, we chained wells and killed the arc charge knights while I invis'd the team and ran the orbs to the centre. After the last orb was in, we knew we were home and dry, so we got back into the cheese spots and I cheered the Warlocks on as they burned the boss down with their remaining heavy ammo and grenades.

Perhaps the biggest thing in our success was the instant refund on smoke from Omni. I've put thousands of hours into the game and didn't know it could do that! Once I knew that, I was able to drop the orbs into the dunk point nearly as fast as my friends could make them.

Unfortunately, both of those guys gilded their Conqueror seal and lost the node, so we couldn't run any more GMs. I've only got Lake of Shadows and Glassway left to do, both of which I think will be pretty trivial compared to Mars. First ever Conqueror seal soon to be completed and gilded!

I was a big fan of D2 when it came out, albeit very much on the casual side. I dip into the thread every now and then and read the above with a mixture of awe, confusion and daunted-ness (I know that's not a word!).

I hopped over to YT to watch a video of the above as you intrigued me and, stone me, the game has moved on a lot! The guy - Kackis or something - may as well been speaking a different language . The game seems so 'deep' now, I bet it is very rewarding to play well.

[Speckle]

Mastodon2 said:

Mars GM is done. We rotated out a player who was something of a loose wheel, you know the type; always dropping a Warlock well when there is no threat, burning heavy ammo on red bars when we're under no pressure and can afford to take them down with primary, turns up at the boss room with no heavy etc. Making the change to another player who is quite a lot better helped considerably.

Previously, we were getting swarmed at the hacking door, so had elected to use the high ground at the side of the area and have me go down as an invisible Hunter to reset the door whenever it got interrupted. With two Warlocks running Phoenix Protocol, they were able to chain wells and I could drop Omnioculus smoke to keep up alive if anything made it into the well that could kill is inside. I feel like our runs were 10 minutes quicker on that section, we had it down to the point where were never got interrupted and were going flawless up to the boss room.

That boss room though, it's a toughie and it definitely took us a little while to figure out. I went from Gyrfalcon to Graivton Forfeit to try and get more up-time on the invisibility but it still seems like it can't do 100% up-time by chaining abilities like it used to and I didn't want to have to engage enemies as it's too easy to break the invis ability chain and get caught out. I went Omnioculus, which turned out to be a godsend. I felt like the invisibility time was on par with the Graviton, but figured that some extra damage resistance would help. We still wiped 3 or 4 times on the boss as we figured out the strategy but the runs were getting so quick and smooth that it wasn't too painful as we figured the strategy out.

Our biggest failing was trying to complete the fight without killing the champions. Also, I didn't know until the final, successful run that Omni can instantly refund it's smoke melee charge if you make two teammates invisible with the same shadow dive. You can tell I'm not a Hunter main, I'd never even worn Omni before last night, I only pulled it from the vault for this occasion. We had one Warlock with Leviathan's Breath, he popped the unstoppable orge as soon as it appeared, then we could move across the front of the arena without dying, we were able to kite the boss away, drop a well and lure the barrier knight down and drop him. After that, we chained wells and killed the arc charge knights while I invis'd the team and ran the orbs to the centre. After the last orb was in, we knew we were home and dry, so we got back into the cheese spots and I cheered the Warlocks on as they burned the boss down with their remaining heavy ammo and grenades.

Perhaps the biggest thing in our success was the instant refund on smoke from Omni. I've put thousands of hours into the game and didn't know it could do that! Once I knew that, I was able to drop the orbs into the dunk point nearly as fast as my friends could make them.

Unfortunately, both of those guys gilded their Conqueror seal and lost the node, so we couldn't run any more GMs. I've only got Lake of Shadows and Glassway left to do, both of which I think will be pretty trivial compared to Mars. First ever Conqueror seal soon to be completed and gilded!

That's awesome, congrats! Sounds like you worked for it and it paid off! Omnioculous is a great exotic in the right hands. I haven't used it much but, I did use it for Lightblade GM a couple of seasons ago to invis the team on the ferry.

We also used the high ground (the very high ground up the stairs) for that hacking section but, with invis, could easily go and re-activate the hacking. We only had one warlock on our successful run, with Starfire so probably made it harder than it needed to be but we got through it well enough. Your run sounds smoother than ours to be honest.

Graviton is great only if you have the stats and mods for 100% uptime on invis, which requires that you build into it and not many people have high strength Hunter armour laying about in their vaults. Even then, you have to manage it and cannot get distracted from the timer. I was running around the boss room in what felt like complete safety most of the time. Wasn't bothered about platinum, only completion so completely ignored the champs. We didn't bother them, they didn't bother us. For the final damage phase, we all hung out on different pillars (each of the pillars in the corners of the boss arena are similarly constructed).

Lake of Shadows was fine. We used the cheese spot but, I'm told you can still bake the boss in a well if you'd prefer a 'legit' completion. The midway mini-boss is way too tanky though, that bit isn't fun! Glassway is usually fine but, those teleporting wyverns and overloads can still ruin your day if you don't keep your head on a swivel. A fireteam who all understand the spawn mechanics is also a bonus.

Looks like you'll have to wait for the last two weeks unless you can find a conqueror who hasn't gilded yet (there is always LFG I suppose!)

Edited by Speckle on Tuesday 2nd May 15:26

[Mastodon2]

WhisperingWasp said:

I was a big fan of D2 when it came out, albeit very much on the casual side. I dip into the thread every now and then and read the above with a mixture of awe, confusion and daunted-ness (I know that's not a word!).

I hopped over to YT to watch a video of the above as you intrigued me and, stone me, the game has moved on a lot! The guy - Kackis or something - may as well been speaking a different language . The game seems so 'deep' now, I bet it is very rewarding to play well.

It certainly is rewarding, there's so much depth to it now, it's the perfect fusion of best-in-class shooting gameplay with RPG elements now.

Speckle: Yeah, I'll be doing the last few GMs as they pop up in the weekly rotation. I do feel now that Mars is out of the way, it should be relatively plain sailing to the gilded Conqueror.

[LukeBrown66]

So you goons all happy about being asked twice the asking price for season pass lol!, Great company huh

[Mastodon2]

LukeBrown66 said:

So you goons all happy about being asked twice the asking price for season pass lol!, Great company huh

I know you already exposed yourself as being pretty hard-of-thinking earlier in the thread but the price increase is 20%, you mug.

[Speckle]

LukeBrown66 said:

So you goons all happy about being asked twice the asking price for season pass lol!, Great company huh

Paid for the Lightfall deluxe edition ages ago when it became available for pre-order, all seasons included. It was heavily discounted at CD Keys as I recall.

So, am I happy with the price I've already paid for the all content being released this year? Yes, I absolutely am.

Given your attitude and relentless trolling on a topic you know so little about, I'm also getting the added value of how much you're not enjoying it so, thanks for that

[LukeBrown66]

The price increase is not 20% I would never buy it obviously, but do you not have to buy silver in certain increments and this falls in between so you actually have to buy two lots of silver to buy it.

I am loving the game, just dont wish to pay for it. Or be a nerd.

[Mastodon2]

LukeBrown66 said:

I am loving the game, just dont wish to pay for it. Or be a nerd.

Come on now, you've already outed yourself as a thicko, don't tell us you're a cheapskate too

[Speckle]

If you're not going to pay for it, why do you care?

Those of us who've already paid for it (not with silver, I might add but with money) couldn't care less.

Companies will always put their prices up periodically as their costs increase, that's just how economics works.

[newberry]

Can any of you recommend a clan/group that would'nt mind taking a couple of less experienced players through some raids? Get on ok with nightfalls and most things so not complete numptys. Was a regular raider on the original destiny but have only recently (couple of months) started playing destiny 2 again after getting bored of destiny 2 not that long after launch. So have a basic knowledge of vault of glass but that was a few years ago now haha. I think i'm around 1822 light level if that helps/matters?

[Speckle]

newberry said:

Can any of you recommend a clan/group that would'nt mind taking a couple of less experienced players through some raids? Get on ok with nightfalls and most things so not complete numptys. Was a regular raider on the original destiny but have only recently (couple of months) started playing destiny 2 again after getting bored of destiny 2 not that long after launch. So have a basic knowledge of vault of glass but that was a few years ago now haha. I think i'm around 1822 light level if that helps/matters?

I'm not much of a raider to be honest, although I've done them all at some point except last wish.

My clan however, raid all the time - I'd say raiding is the primary activity (but certainly not obligatory)

There are regular guided raids where 4 guides, who are very familiar with all roles and mechanics of the raid will 'guide' 2 new or inexperienced guardians through the raid, teaching them the harder roles and mechanics along the way. You can participate in these until you have 5+ clears in any given raid.

There are also social raids where those with a bit more experience (5+ clears usually) can get raid teams together on a more casual basis but, where everyone has some idea what they're doing.

I'll DM you the website.



Light level doesn't matter, as long as you're not an idiot, you'll be made to feel welcome

[Moog72]

newberry said:

Can any of you recommend a clan/group that would'nt mind taking a couple of less experienced players through some raids? Get on ok with nightfalls and most things so not complete numptys. Was a regular raider on the original destiny but have only recently (couple of months) started playing destiny 2 again after getting bored of destiny 2 not that long after launch. So have a basic knowledge of vault of glass but that was a few years ago now haha. I think i'm around 1822 light level if that helps/matters?

Chuck your gametag on here if you want to friend up, or DM if you prefer as there are three of us Pistonheaders who play regularly and would like to widen the group I’m sure for more regular Raid runs and stuff

My gametag is the same as here, Moog72 on PS

All three of us are in the same Clan

Edit: same Clan that Speckle is on about

Edited by Moog72 on Thursday 11th May 01:16

[Speckle]

Moog72 said:

Chuck your gametag on here if you want to friend up, or DM if you prefer as there are three of us Pistonheaders who play regularly and would like to widen the group I’m sure for more regular Raid runs and stuff

My gametag is the same as here, Moog72 on PS

All three of us are in the same Clan

Edit: same Clan that Speckle is on about

Absolutely, the more PH'ers the merrier!

[Joeywinkle]

Apologies gents, been neglecting this thread a bit - all of my gaming time is being taken up by FIFA of all games at the minute (i can't believe i'm actually saying that but here we are!)

How are we all getting on - when does season of the deep release? Hoping i might have time to finish the current season pass before it does!