Minecraft - £8 Very well spent

[darth_pies]

freecar said:

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All that jazz said:

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Thanks guys, that's clear.

[Zad]

The main difference is that Technic pack is single player, Tekkit is multi-player. If you want to see what individual mods are installed with each build, click on the "Mod Select" button in the Technic Launcher window, below and to the left of the password box. It is then a matter of checking the general wiki http://technicpack.wikia.com/wiki/Technic_Pack_Wik... or Googling the individual packs. I find watching Direwolf20's Youtube videos very useful.

[Tycho]

[freecar]

All that jazz said:

freecar said:

You want the technic pack.

You can't use your old map.

You can steal any buildings from your old map and put them in a newly generated world using MCEdit or similar (No I don't know how to do it!)

Old maps wont have any of the mod items that are made by world generation, ores, rubber trees and many other things will be missing for you if you try.

Hit up Direwolf20s videos on youtube for tutorials for industrialcraft and buildcraft tutorials also redpower2 (all in the technicpack, direolf doesn't play technic pack though so not all applicable)

Are you sure about that? Imho it should work just fine, BUT only in previously unexplored areas (aka unloaded chunks). The mod stuff won't "spawn" in areas already explored/walked on/flown over/caved through, but should be fine in new areas. I had this when I installed Buildcraft and EquivalentExchange - to get any oil I had to go and explore areas I'd never been to before.

Depending on how old the world is there may be an issue with the sea level as it was raised up a block on one of the later Beta versions if I recall correctly. You will get a 'lip' in the sea where this has happened - on the edge of last loaded chunk - but it's not game breaking.

I should have clarified, it is a collossally bad idea to try to use an old map unless you just spawned and quit, as you'll have to go a long way to get terrain to regenerate and if you're fond of your current world it'll probably have quite a lot in it already meaning a huge mission to get new resources.

[All that jazz]

freecar said:

I should have clarified, it is a collossally bad idea to try to use an old map unless you just spawned and quit, as you'll have to go a long way to get terrain to regenerate and if you're fond of your current world it'll probably have quite a lot in it already meaning a huge mission to get new resources.

Depends whether you're the sort of person to stick to one area or do loads of exploring. I'm in single player world I haven't ventured more than about 300 blocks or so from spawn, as I had all the biomes close by and it was decent terrain. I still don't see the problem with moving to new chunks to build rather than scrapping all your hard work.

[Schmeeky]

Have just finished my huge auto wheat farm! Got it planted and bonemeal-ed with rik's assistance, then fired all 10 bays at once... Won't be doing that again, had 5mins of rik not being able to move at all due to the lag, and I was getting way less than 1fps... Gathered up all the wheat and seeds eventually, and got more than a full chest of wheat and seeds respectively!

Next time, I'll just harvest one bay at a time...

Anyhows, a couple of pics!

[freecar]

All that jazz said:

freecar said:

I should have clarified, it is a collossally bad idea to try to use an old map unless you just spawned and quit, as you'll have to go a long way to get terrain to regenerate and if you're fond of your current world it'll probably have quite a lot in it already meaning a huge mission to get new resources.

Depends whether you're the sort of person to stick to one area or do loads of exploring. I'm in single player world I haven't ventured more than about 300 blocks or so from spawn, as I had all the biomes close by and it was decent terrain. I still don't see the problem with moving to new chunks to build rather than scrapping all your hard work.

So you didn't do any mining or explore any caves?


I clarified fully after your first post, the mod makers themselves advise a new save not using old ones, I gave all the information after you pulled me up on it first time around, I don't know what more to say.

You haven't added any information for the questioner here just tried to make out that my advice was bad, I don't write mods, if the makers say to use a new save, who am I to argue?

[Ian974]

after watching a few videos on youtube I got minecraft yesterday and ended up heading to bed about 3 am
I'm only just getting started but can see a fair whack of time being put into it.
Only running it on a netbook type laptop, runs ok-ish with all the graphics options turned down.
I'm not sure if it seems a bit backwards looking at a beefier computer for running something that looks as relatively low tech as minecraft!

[All that jazz]

freecar said:

So you didn't do any mining or explore any caves?


I clarified fully after your first post, the mod makers themselves advise a new save not using old ones, I gave all the information after you pulled me up on it first time around, I don't know what more to say.

You haven't added any information for the questioner here just tried to make out that my advice was bad, I don't write mods, if the makers say to use a new save, who am I to argue?

But yet he actually says in the discussion on reddit that the mod will work fine in fresh chunks, which is the same as any mod. It's like when the terrain gen changed in minecraft a while back, it was advised that new worlds would be needed and it all got very scare-mongery but the old worlds continue to work fine and the new biomes generate just fine so long as you walk to fresh chunks. Yes, some sharp edges resulted where the terrain suddenly changed but that's a small price to pay vs. scrapping everything you've done since you started playing the game.

Re exploring in my map, of course, but I'd say at the very max I didn't travel more than 1000 blocks from spawn as the terrain was such that I had no reason to. The new terrain/biomes mean you have to travel now to find all the resources, but you didn't need to in the early beta terrain and alpha prior to that.

The only reason I replied was because you stated that it categorically wouldn't work - "you can't use your old map" - when in actual fact that is not true even by your own admission above - "the mod makers themselves ADVISE a new save" - two completely different things... The OP specifically said that he had builds that he wanted to keep and my response was simply stating that it could be done and happened to correct yours at the same time. I'm not understanding your hostility, sorry.

[All that jazz]

Schmeeky said:

Have just finished my huge auto wheat farm! Got it planted and bonemeal-ed with rik's assistance, then fired all 10 bays at once... Won't be doing that again, had 5mins of rik not being able to move at all due to the lag, and I was getting way less than 1fps... Gathered up all the wheat and seeds eventually, and got more than a full chest of wheat and seeds respectively!

Next time, I'll just harvest one bay at a time...

Anyhows, a couple of pics!

Yikes! That texture pack is a bit full on!

[All that jazz]

Enchanting...

I've been keeping a record of my enchantment 'gets' over the past week. I know it's all supposed to be completely random etc, but the results below make me . I was beginning to think that the enchantment table in The End was broken as I've been getting some terrible enchants from it recently at level 50, so I destroyed the whole room and rebuilt it but unsurprisingly it's made no difference whatsoever.

Level 50 enchants on diamond picks over past week or so :

(E Efficiency, U Unbreaking, F Fortune, S Silk Touch)

E4
E4
E5
E4
E3 U3 F2(WTF!)
E4
E4
E4 U3 S1

Overall, poor results imho and 50s have been taking FOREVER to come up.

Tried some level 49 enchants :

E5
U3 F3
E5 U3
E4 U3
E5 U3 F3(beast!)

So considering it's all supposed to be random, I think you'll understand why I'm starting to wonder if it isn't so random after all . Another plus point of doing level 49 enchants is that 49 seems to come about twice as often as 50 does, so less mouse clicking which makes me happy.

[freecar]

All that jazz said:

Enchanting...

I've been keeping a record of my enchantment 'gets' over the past week. I know it's all supposed to be completely random etc, but the results below make me . I was beginning to think that the enchantment table in The End was broken as I've been getting some terrible enchants from it recently at level 50, so I destroyed the whole room and rebuilt it but unsurprisingly it's made no difference whatsoever.

Level 50 enchants on diamond picks over past week or so :

(E Efficiency, U Unbreaking, F Fortune, S Silk Touch)

E4
E4
E5
E4
E3 U3 F2(WTF!)
E4
E4
E4 U3 S1

Overall, poor results imho and 50s have been taking FOREVER to come up.

Tried some level 49 enchants :

E5
U3 F3
E5 U3
E4 U3
E5 U3 F3(beast!)

So considering it's all supposed to be random, I think you'll understand why I'm starting to wonder if it isn't so random after all . Another plus point of doing level 49 enchants is that 49 seems to come about twice as often as 50 does, so less mouse clicking which makes me happy.

It's not supposed to be random at all.

There are a bunch of websites that try to explain it but the algorithm is so damned complicated I can't understand it.

However if you look there are some places that tell you what to enchant and when, Iron picks need a level 40 enchant to get silk touch (or the best chance of getting it) or something and gold picks have the best chance of getting fortune etc, look for them and if you can understand it you'll know when to enchant everything!

[Merp]

I completely agree with that, after falling into a cavern an losing all my enchanted NEW tools I went back to get more.

I had previously been very successfull with enchantments picking up multiple E4,U3 and F3 but now all I ever get is U4 and E4. The worst was a U2,S1..WTF

I've also got about 10 diamond blocks to mine waiting for a F3 to arrive again! bds

[Robb F]

Merp said:

I completely agree with that, after falling into a cavern an losing all my enchanted NEW tools I went back to get more.

I had previously been very successfull with enchantments picking up multiple E4,U3 and F3 but now all I ever get is U4 and E4. The worst was a U2,S1..WTF

I've also got about 10 diamond blocks to mine waiting for a F3 to arrive again! bds

You can borrow my F3 pick to get them if you want.

[All that jazz]

freecar said:

It's not supposed to be random at all.

There are a bunch of websites that try to explain it but the algorithm is so damned complicated I can't understand it.

However if you look there are some places that tell you what to enchant and when, Iron picks need a level 40 enchant to get silk touch (or the best chance of getting it) or something and gold picks have the best chance of getting fortune etc, look for them and if you can understand it you'll know when to enchant everything!

Umm it is completely random what enchantment you get. I am well versed with the enchantment algorithms and use pernsteiner's enchantment tables on a regular basis. Probabilities are nothing more than that - probabilities. You can enchant at whatever level you like, but the maximum chance you have of getting silk touch (for example) is never going be greater than 14.3% irrespective of what material tool you're using. You've much more chance of getting efficiency than any other enchantment as that's how the algoritm is weighted, but it is completely random.

You need level 50 on everything except gold (49) for the best chance of silk touch. Level 40 on an iron pick to get silk touch would take days of nonstop clicking to ever get that to come up (a 2.97% chance in fact).

Edited by All that jazz on Monday 30th April 11:26

[freecar]

All that jazz said:

freecar said:

It's not supposed to be random at all.

There are a bunch of websites that try to explain it but the algorithm is so damned complicated I can't understand it.

However if you look there are some places that tell you what to enchant and when, Iron picks need a level 40 enchant to get silk touch (or the best chance of getting it) or something and gold picks have the best chance of getting fortune etc, look for them and if you can understand it you'll know when to enchant everything!

Umm it is completely random what enchantment you get. I am well versed with the enchantment algorithms and use pernsteiner's enchantment tables on a regular basis. Probabilities are nothing more than that - probabilities. You can enchant at whatever level you like, but the maximum chance you have of getting silk touch (for example) is never going be greater than 14.3% irrespective of what material tool you're using. You've much more chance of getting efficiency than any other enchantment as that's how the algoritm is weighted, but it is completely random.

You need level 50 on everything except gold (49) for the best chance of silk touch. Level 40 on an iron pick to get silk touch would take days of nonstop clicking to ever get that to come up (a 2.97% chance in fact).

Edited by All that jazz on Monday 30th April 11:26

So is it random or decided by probability?

It cannot be both.

You also misread my post, I didn't say an iron pick needed level 40 it was merely an example shown by the words "or something" right after it!

[Schmeeky]

A pic of rik's new build.. (Apologies for the zombie photobombing it!)




and a shot of what cobble/gravel looks like in my TP (FAO of rik only, really..)

[Stew2000]

I need to play more often.

[Eddh]

[quote=Schmeekyand a shot of what cobble/gravel looks like in my TP (FAO of rik only, really..)
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He want to see what my new place looks like in good textures?

I loaded the std pack last night and my place looks crap in that...

[Robb F]

Eddh said:

He want to see what my new place looks like in good textures?

I loaded the std pack last night and my place looks crap in that...

LOL