World of Tanks
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FunkyNige said:
I'm pretty shocked at how low the XP rewards can go - yesterday a couple of enemy arty got 3 XP each (was so surprised I took a screenshot). Yes THREE experience! And just now I came fourth on our (losing) team with 127! Though I did get the only kill before getting myself ammo-racked.
I got 2xp once when the game crashed on loading the battle and I was auto-burned by the time I got back in. Needless to say, my team won anyway and it was, of course, my daily double... TBF, not sure what I even got the 2xp for!Had a game in the StuG when my ISP was dropping my connection repeatedly. I got in after three minutes, played for a minute, got dropped, back in after three minutes, played for another minute, got dropped, etc.
Intotal, I was in for a total of 4 minutes; got three kills. Our team lost, I was the highest scorer. Frustrating as hell.
Intotal, I was in for a total of 4 minutes; got three kills. Our team lost, I was the highest scorer. Frustrating as hell.
jimmyjimjim said:
Our team lost, I was the highest scorer.
Hmmmmm....Anyway, mostly just here to say I'm loving the AMX 50 100 since I put the 100mm SA47 gun on. It maybe made a little bit of paper, but if they want to stand and slug it out, they're going to die before they've got 2 shots off
(Don't get into more than one-on-one with similar or higher tiers though, or it's goodnight!)
Had a good run of platooned games last night 
But a couple of games reminded me of why I play this game regardless of all the teamkilling noobs and dubious rng issues.
First one was on Erlenburg... me in a T-43 ( bottom tier ) platooned with a T-44. All of our heavies lemminged of to the castle leaving us a Ferdi and an Ac Mle to cover the corner of the far hill. I get there first to find a Tiger II, T-150, KV-13, T-43, M4A3E8 and a T-28. I didn't think we were going to last long but me and the T-44 managed to hold them at the corner while the TD's and arty pummeled them, final score 5 to me and the T-44 and 4 to the td's and arty
Second one two Tigers in a tier 8 game... 6 kills between us, the top 2 IS-3's managed 1
But a couple of games reminded me of why I play this game regardless of all the teamkilling noobs and dubious rng issues.First one was on Erlenburg... me in a T-43 ( bottom tier ) platooned with a T-44. All of our heavies lemminged of to the castle leaving us a Ferdi and an Ac Mle to cover the corner of the far hill. I get there first to find a Tiger II, T-150, KV-13, T-43, M4A3E8 and a T-28. I didn't think we were going to last long but me and the T-44 managed to hold them at the corner while the TD's and arty pummeled them, final score 5 to me and the T-44 and 4 to the td's and arty
Second one two Tigers in a tier 8 game... 6 kills between us, the top 2 IS-3's managed 1
There is something definitley wrong with the rng. I have been trying to grind my M5 Stuart which is fitted with the howitzer, which has a published average damage of 175. Most games I am seeing damage from hits of 40-50. Heck I even had one hit that only did 19. Now I know the quoted figure of 175 is only an average, but to see that sort of average I would have to be getting occasional damage in excess of 200 per hit, and it just ain't happening. In fact I think the biggest hit I have seen with this gun is about 130, so where the hell do they get 175 from?
DIW35 said:
There is something definitley wrong with the rng. I have been trying to grind my M5 Stuart which is fitted with the howitzer, which has a published average damage of 175. Most games I am seeing damage from hits of 40-50. Heck I even had one hit that only did 19. Now I know the quoted figure of 175 is only an average, but to see that sort of average I would have to be getting occasional damage in excess of 200 per hit, and it just ain't happening. In fact I think the biggest hit I have seen with this gun is about 130, so where the hell do they get 175 from?
AP or HE? HE especially, but also AP to some extent, loses "power" in penetrating the armour. So you'll rarely see full damage; even more so since they implemented spaced armour (which seems to be their answer to rather too many questions ). VERY noticable with my arti - I used to do over 1000 with most hits, now lucky to see much over 800 (although I did one-hit a 100% T32 the other day 
).I think you have a choice between HE and HEAT(gold) for the M5 with the 75mm.
So, if you don't penetrate with the HE...which as it has remarkably low penetration, is most of the time, you're limited to half the maximum damage, like arty. And usually a lot less than this.
So in reality, you'll get a lot of random low number hits, with the occasional penetrating 'big' hit which should be in the quoted range - I sold my M5 some time back, so I can't see what the damage range is.
So, if you don't penetrate with the HE...which as it has remarkably low penetration, is most of the time, you're limited to half the maximum damage, like arty. And usually a lot less than this.
So in reality, you'll get a lot of random low number hits, with the occasional penetrating 'big' hit which should be in the quoted range - I sold my M5 some time back, so I can't see what the damage range is.
Had a really good evening last night for some reason, can't think that the RNG was doing much in my favour but I enjoyed the games I was playing. Only thing we did differently was to just play tanks we liked rather than try to level high tier ones to get bigger tanks, even swapped my T2 MT for a Hotchkiss to have something different in the garage!
Yesterday's stunt driving moment - wheelie in the 2801 (I'm on the left)
Yesterday's stunt driving moment - wheelie in the 2801 (I'm on the left)
DIW35 said:
AP. I have no idea what the quoted average damage for HE in that gun is. And it's not range that's the problem, as some of my low scoring shots have been from just a few metres away.
It's high-explosive, bud, the reason it's called a howitzer is because it only uses HE rounds you get such low damage values because your big soft shells aren't going through your target, simply shattering on the hull and causing a bit of splash damage.Go and fire it at a T-28 and enjoy the results - it is perfectly possible to do over 200 with it - but against almost anything tier 5 or above you're not going to penetrate. Shoot at the sides of lighter tanks, though, and the shell goes through and does massive damage for what it is!
With AP rounds in guns (as opposed to howitzers), a damage-dealing hit cannot do less than average damage minus 25%. Of course, it can simply decide not to do damage at all, but..
I don't believe AP is at all affected by the amount of armour it goes through, either. If it penetrates, then randomly assigned damage.
Thanks for the replies guys, all seems to make sense. The strange thing is that the M5 gets put in a lot of matches at the bottom of the team, which means it's up against tanks a tier or two higher, which it has absolutely no hope of penetrating, so effectively becomes completely useless as it's nowhere quick enough to be used in a scouting role.
Think I'll swap to the other gun. Quoted damage for that one is only 40, but as the howitzer is only doing that sort of damage anyway, I've nothing to lose and the smaller gun has a quicker fire rate.
Think I'll swap to the other gun. Quoted damage for that one is only 40, but as the howitzer is only doing that sort of damage anyway, I've nothing to lose and the smaller gun has a quicker fire rate.
Edited by DIW35 on Sunday 7th October 19:50
It's definitely a scout tank - and I think it works pretty well as one, too! Have you got it fully upgraded with a decent crew? I find it plenty quick enough, and quite entertaining.
I definitely wouldn't use it with the 57mm, though. The vast majority of its targets you won't be able to penetrate, and there's no point using HE in that when you could be using it in the 75mm howitzer. I tried both and couldn't feel any advantage at all in the 57!
I definitely wouldn't use it with the 57mm, though. The vast majority of its targets you won't be able to penetrate, and there's no point using HE in that when you could be using it in the 75mm howitzer. I tried both and couldn't feel any advantage at all in the 57!
Having only played the Russian stuff so far (currently at tier 6) I decided to branch out a bit. AMX ELC and 12t seem to be always causing me grief so I figured I'll have a go down the French light tank path.
How the hell did anyone first discover that the ELC was any good. Surely any sane person would have played a few games in the Hotchkis H35 and decided that if the next tank up in the line as as crap as that they'd give up...only find the AMX38 really is as crap. With the top engine and tracks in it I've just been overtaken by a KV-1, and the track and turret rotation combined weren't fast enough to be able to follow an A20 (whcih was luckily being driven by an idiot). I'm not on to the top gun yet but next one down struggles to penetrate a paper bag (5 hits on an A20 and I only did him 86 damage
How the hell did anyone first discover that the ELC was any good. Surely any sane person would have played a few games in the Hotchkis H35 and decided that if the next tank up in the line as as crap as that they'd give up...only find the AMX38 really is as crap. With the top engine and tracks in it I've just been overtaken by a KV-1, and the track and turret rotation combined weren't fast enough to be able to follow an A20 (whcih was luckily being driven by an idiot). I'm not on to the top gun yet but next one down struggles to penetrate a paper bag (5 hits on an A20 and I only did him 86 damage
RizzoTheRat said:
Having only played the Russian stuff so far (currently at tier 6) I decided to branch out a bit. AMX ELC and 12t seem to be always causing me grief so I figured I'll have a go down the French light tank path.
How the hell did anyone first discover that the ELC was any good. Surely any sane person would have played a few games in the Hotchkis H35 and decided that if the next tank up in the line as as crap as that they'd give up...only find the AMX38 really is as crap. With the top engine and tracks in it I've just been overtaken by a KV-1, and the track and turret rotation combined weren't fast enough to be able to follow an A20 (whcih was luckily being driven by an idiot). I'm not on to the top gun yet but next one down struggles to penetrate a paper bag (5 hits on an A20 and I only did him 86 damage
They probably got to skip them on the test server and try higher tiers. Then used gold to bypass them on the production server.How the hell did anyone first discover that the ELC was any good. Surely any sane person would have played a few games in the Hotchkis H35 and decided that if the next tank up in the line as as crap as that they'd give up...only find the AMX38 really is as crap. With the top engine and tracks in it I've just been overtaken by a KV-1, and the track and turret rotation combined weren't fast enough to be able to follow an A20 (whcih was luckily being driven by an idiot). I'm not on to the top gun yet but next one down struggles to penetrate a paper bag (5 hits on an A20 and I only did him 86 damage
AMX38 - I've just checked, elited mine in 18 games with a truly shocking loss rate, so it doesn't take long to be rid of it, thankfully.
63 to be rid of the AMX40, alas.
Yikes, not looking forward to the 40 then, I hope the ELC and 12t are worth it.
In the 38s defence, it can take a beating. Only played half a dozen games in it so far and had Steel Wall twice, including winning a 3 on 1 fight with 2 lights and a TD in Tue open with no cover. But then again if it could manage more than 12kph I wouldn't have been caught in the open.
In the 38s defence, it can take a beating. Only played half a dozen games in it so far and had Steel Wall twice, including winning a 3 on 1 fight with 2 lights and a TD in Tue open with no cover. But then again if it could manage more than 12kph I wouldn't have been caught in the open.
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