RE: GT5: Worth The Wait, Or Wot?

[Frederick]

RobPhoboS said:

Frederick said:

Yeah I know, as a caveat of which you can't say that the graphics are st compared to a PC, as whichever way the cake is cut, it is still running on limited hardware.

Well it's not comparable to a PC system, so not worth going there but the game has mixed graphics, from extremely good to extremely cack.
It's completely inconsistent across the board, bar the constantly awful sounds

It definitely feels like Sony said, enough release it this Christmas\winter.
I just hope there is an 8Gb download to replace it

Everyone shows pictures of that Berlinette as it is quite possibly the most horrible car in the game, but there are plenty of standard cars that don't look as "3-year-old-with-a-crayon" as that. I don't mind the sounds myself, some are terrible yes, but the Interceptor with a supercharger, race filter and titanium exhaust sounds lovely!

I agree that it feels rushed - its as if they've used the 5 years development to hone the physics, model the cars but haven't found the Turtlewax to give it a final polish. There are some really iffy decisions that have been made by PD but personally I love it... I prefer hooning on GT5 than FM3 as it rewards perfection - FM feels wrong after GT.

Personally, to counter the graphics arguments, I use speedo/rev counter view in all the cars (no dashboard) and look ahead at the next corner - I don't stop to look at the cars, track foliage or owt! It's a racing game after all hehe

[arun1uk]

pSynrg said:

Simond S said:

now, how do i win the Elise race!!!

The Top Gear one yeah? Frustrating as hell innit!

So what I did was buy me the same Elise and go hot lapping in practice mode until I could run the track within a few tenths a lap (maybe about 60 to 70 laps, PB 1:19.773). Then after another 3 goes I finally got the gold! Stupidly difficult at this early stage of proceedings but I enjoyed the challenge immensely and now feel like an Elise driving god!

P.S. GT5 is fine but nowhere near as good as expected. I run iRacing (on the PC) about 20 to 30 hours a week and need a non-serious driving sim/game just for pure fun which it fulfills very nicely. iRacing is a serious affair...

Edited by pSynrg on Sunday 5th December 10:49

If you guys are finding it really hard, why not put some of the driving aids on. Sort of takes some of the skill away from it, but at least you can move on.... T/C = 10, ASM = on, ABS = 5.
Got gold in 2 attempts......after 30+ using standard settings!!!!! argrrrrrggghhh

[pSynrg]

arun1uk said:

If you guys are finding it really hard, why not put some of the driving aids on...

I can certainly see the value in doing this but I can't shake off my 'sim-racing' anorak entirely. However, limited time may well be the deciding factor here.

One really big flaw that bugs me with GT5 is when in 'simulation mode' for me at least all cars should reflect their real life counterparts completely. Especially with regard to electronic assists and precisely what you are allowed to do with them. But the game over-rides with its own assists settings. Call me a retentive wotnot but I don't think this should be possible in 'simulation mode'.

Edited by pSynrg on Sunday 5th December 12:31

[pSynrg]

Frederick said:

Personally, to counter the graphics arguments, I use speedo/rev counter view in all the cars (no dashboard) and look ahead at the next corner - I don't stop to look at the cars, track foliage or owt! It's a racing game after all hehe

Pretty much agree with your assessment of GT5 however I would personally like to run cockpit only on all cars, and get rid of the steering wheel at the same time (or fixed if it displays information). For consistency I've ended up running speedo/rev view like yourself.

[Dr Derek Doctors]

M666 EVO said:

Dr Derek Doctors said:

jellison said:

Is there a Kids section on PH - maybe in there?

You narrow minded bellend

It appears there are people who like computer games and those who don't. I personally prefer to go out and do stuff but for those who like to sit in front of a TV playing car games, good for you.

Awww man you have proved yourself to be such a peen its untrue. Go and get a life you sad tt.

How many race cars do you own mate? (In real life that is)

Some of us have varied lives that involve lots of different things. And because we're not complete pricks we don't feel the need to look down on and slag off other peoples hobbies.

[Carmo99]

Dr Derek Doctors said:

M666 EVO said:

Dr Derek Doctors said:

jellison said:

Is there a Kids section on PH - maybe in there?

You narrow minded bellend

It appears there are people who like computer games and those who don't. I personally prefer to go out and do stuff but for those who like to sit in front of a TV playing car games, good for you.

Awww man you have proved yourself to be such a peen its untrue. Go and get a life you sad tt.

How many race cars do you own mate? (In real life that is)

Some of us have varied lives that involve lots of different things. And because we're not complete pricks we don't feel the need to look down on and slag off other peoples hobbies.

Good repost, plus the fact you owned one of my all time favourite cars......the Starion of course.

[KM666]

why are the nascars so appaulingly st how do you win when your car is the only one that scrubs off 50-70mph+ on every corner yet other cars just glide round? loads of glitches, anybody else spot the loch ness monster on trail mountain yet? my biggest gripe is how hard it is to make money on this game, for races like the classic racecar series, the gt all stars, and gone with the wind all require 20'000'000cr cars each (granted you can use the same car for both gt all stars and gone with the wind i.e. only car stands a chance would be the minolta toyota or mazda 728?B thing) its such a drag leveling up at level 22 you need over 100'000 points to get to level 23 yet the level 22 races award only around 4800 points per 1st place. and then we get to prize cars. above about amatuer level they become worthless, yet appear in used car dealer for small fortunes i could really have used myself. a list of cars iv won that are worthless: Le mans Quattro (worthless in gt4) dmc delorean (circa 200k in used car lot) bugatti veyron (circa 2m used car lot) furai concept, lancia stratos rally car (circa 4m used car lot) pikes peak quattro (worthless gt4) cizeta V16T (circa 400k used car lot) buick special '62 (over 100k used car lot) nascar (brand new cost 500k, now worthless) cobra 427 (available to buy for over 400k, worthless) ft86 G sports (non G sport model worth 90k, this one worthless) so many double standards on this game, half the races are too easy the rest are too hard

[KM666]

anybody done better with same power/tyres?

[KM666]

[Evo]

All stars and Like the Wind races can be done with a race tuned ZR1 Corvette, circa a spend of 500k

[LandR]

Don't know what they were thinking with the Top Gear stuff.

Event 1: Racing VW Camper vans - boring.
Event 2: Racing Lotus Elise with unbelievably bad tyre and awful AI
Event 3: Racing 1940s military jeeps with a top speed of 50mph - This is unbelievably tedious

Awful.

[KM666]

Evo said:

All stars and Like the Wind races can be done with a race tuned ZR1 Corvette, circa a spend of 500k

cheers will try it out tomorrow

[KM666]

Shinobi said:

broker1 said:

ChampionsSwagger said:

I was a GT fan for years and have owned and played all the previous versions. I went over to the "dark side" with Forza 3 as I got fed up waiting for GT5 through all the release dates that came and went without fruition.

I bought a PS3/GT5 bundle from Tesco the very same day it came out, and can say it's not a driving simulator - how can a 69 Camaro out-brake a Focus RS on a mountain stage FFS - so I was initially disappointed.

Loads of snow around here meant a few days of work, so I found myself sat at home driving a Cobra Mustang SVT around LeMans for hours. I watched the sun go down and the fireworks go up; Ferris wheel looking amazing at night. This totally changed my mind about the game, I chased a sub 5 minute lap for hours and hours and hours. When it arrived, I was so pleased that the £269 felt worth every penny. Buy it.



Look.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9RX_vonR1A but click forward to 20sec. (not me, not that talented.)

Exactly, the games give back what you put in. The more I play the more I realise the quality that is abundant in this release.

@ ellisd82 - Sounds like you've made the classic error of many before you.... You realise you have to turn driver aids off and set handling to either pro or sim right??? Do that and take the a RWD supercar round the ring, you should be able to feather you throttle inputs and dab the brakes on entry in order to execute a controlled loss of traction to bring the rear end round... as you would in reality. What you described in terms of gameplay is exactly what happens if you leave all the TCM etc on and just drive round on rails.... great.

You say you've played the game before but frankly YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED THE GAME until you set it up correctly.

If he buys these type of games I'm pretty sure like most of us turns all the crappy driver aids off.

I've played with aids on and off and tbh it's still a poor game, pretty but poor in the way it plays.

whats all this rubbish about a pro mode? iv looked thru all the option menus and cant find anything even close a set of options about physics? is it in arcade like on prolouge in the menu before you start? in which case it isnt relevent to the game or are you talking about just turning all assists of because tbh if ppl using the scid recovery, ASM, and active steering it probably not the game for them, i for one cant even stand the invasive traction controll above 1

[paulmeow]

does anybody else hate the rallying in this game or am i missing a trick?

its so slow even in the wrc cars. go off the line and the car bogs down as if the dirt on either side of the line is actually sticky glue disguised as dirt. corners are incredably slow aswell. i genuinely hate the rallying in the game. it makes the new wrc game look good which is like saying susan boyle is good looking compared to st on a stick.

the AI is awfull aswell. they are very early to brake which makes them very easy to overtake. although im not too high a level (18). it just seems how much money youve spent on your car as opposed to how good you can race. they are also very bad for crashing in to you randomly. just driving along they will barge into the side of you and wont release so you find yourself locked next to them while all the others drive past as ive all the AI have ganged up on you in a cunning ploy.

modifying is also just a matter of money. just click the best of everything. at least in forza you had a class to work to as opposed to buying everything.

the choice of wheels is bad and theres only 5 styles or so to choose from for each car then repeats in different colours which is pointless being that theres an option to paint your wheels. forza had lots and lots of wheels.

tuning doesnt seem to important. you can click the best of everything then just go and drive it and it works fine. although tweaking does help slightly theres not much emphasis on it.

dont get me started on standard vs premium!!!!

it kills me to say it but i probably rate forza 3 slightly better. even though i hate the money robbing ba==ards the game worked quite well but it had its own problems but was in much more depth

rant over/

[havoc]

paulmeow said:

it kills me to say it but i probably rate forza 3 slightly better. even though i hate the money robbing ba==ards the game worked quite well but it had its own problems but was in much more depth

rant over/

What are the big problems with F-3 then?

[paulmeow]

the actuall career mode repeats itself after season 6. it literally becomes ticking boxes after that being that you tick boxes.

the game engine isnt as good as gt5. nothing really compares to that even gt4 was still better.

so many american cars suited to americans. didnt have the variation that gt5 has. but then again they all have interiors which is nice.

online is very constrictive and annoying.

the whole invalid lap thing is a bit annoying and inconsistent.

quite a few bugs and glitches which never got solved.

dlc full of more american cars which cost a fortune every month etc.

but that in mind it is better in places

although on the whole i felt there was a more active online community. from racing and modifying and sharing etc which gt5 doesnt. tuning, painting, photos, hotlapping etc. made up for box ticking.

Edited by paulmeow on Sunday 5th December 21:47

[Dare2Fail]

KM666 said:

whats all this rubbish about a pro mode?

I think (and I could be wrong) that he is referring to the option for the steering wheel that is in settings. There are 3 options that (off the top of my head) are something like Amateur, Pro, Sim. As to how they change the game, I am not sure as I put it to sim and haven't went back to play with them.

[Timberwolf]

havoc said:

So for someone who has neither PS3 nor XBox360, what is the consensus:-

1) Get PS3 and GT5 and wait for the 'upgrades' to improve the game?
2) Get an XBox E3 and Forza 3? (pending any Forza 4 release which will probably be better still)
3) Stick with the PS2 and GT3 as (ignoring the graphics) the gameplay is just as good?

If it helps, I'm not a hardcore gamer and won't have the time to spend unlocking licenses all over the place - this will be an occasional 'unwind' bit of fun for me...

I have all three of the above options (well, GT4 on the PS2) and, paying attention to the bit in bold, XBox/Forza absolutely.

Even the staunchest defenders of GT5 will grudgingly admit you have to sink a lot of time in to the game before you start getting half-decent cars, AI that drives at a halfway consistent speed and doesn't ram you every corner... if it wasn't GT I'd have thrown my copy away in frustration long before I got to the point where you start to get the first inklings where it's an experience that might "come good" eventually.

Forza on the other hand, it might be a bit soulless, a bit clinical, but you can have the box open and within the same night take your choice from one of about 500 cars and be racing it on the Nurburgring against opponents that don't spend half their time thinking they're the police officers in an "America's Wildest Police Chases" video. Much, much better if you don't want to be glued to the telly permanently to feel like you're getting anywhere.

[Timberwolf]

havoc said:

What are the big problems with F-3 then?

Even though I really do rate it, I'd say -

• Almost all "everyday" cars seem to come with sports suspension already fitted, compared to the real life ones I've driven they ride too low and corner too flat.
• AI is a world ahead of GT's, except for a nasty habit of brake-testing you on corners.
• While the car selection is a bit more varied, it has its own variant of the Skyline problem in that almost every supercar has the 2008 model, the 2009 model, the 2009 model with the slightly more powerful engine, the 2010 model...
• The downloadable content was mediocre compared to the Forza 2 car packs, although that's probably irrelevant with the Ultimate Collection now out.
• Some of the graphics are a little bitty in places; most of the time it's fine, but occasionally you get things like the Nurburgring GP track which is like driving around in a cartoon.
• It's nowhere near as bug-ridden as GT5, and many of the ones that were there on launch have been fixed; however a few things remain like race cars without working interiors, dashboard gauges that don't read correctly and so on.

Overall though I found it a much better game. It's a lot more fun in the earlier stages when you get lots of prize cars and different events to try, and it's much less of a grind in the latter ones because with some 200-odd championships you don't end up having to repeat the same race ten times to get some progression.

GT5 when it's truly on form is probably that little bit better, but the problem is the moments when GT5 is on form are very few and far between, and tend to last only a few minutes before another AI car spins you into a wall, or you find the race you just enjoyed will need to be completed another twenty times before the next even gets unlocked. Forza 3, even if it's not quite as good at its peak, is at least consistently good across the board.

[ZeeTacoe]

RobPhoboS said:

Frederick said:

Yeah I know, as a caveat of which you can't say that the graphics are st compared to a PC, as whichever way the cake is cut, it is still running on limited hardware.

Well it's not comparable to a PC system, so not worth going there but the game has mixed graphics, from extremely good to extremely cack.
It's completely inconsistent across the board, bar the constantly awful sounds

It definitely feels like Sony said, enough release it this Christmas\winter.
I just hope there is an 8Gb download to replace it

It does help that PD have only the one system to make the game work one though. They can optimise everything to the Nth degree knowing that there is only the single configuration of hardware running the game.