GT5 Championship / Sunday 9pm

[y2blade]

1	Darkdice	darkdice	Y/N/E
2	pvapour	pvapour	E
3	RB26DETT	pumazetecs	Y/N/E
4	RouleDuke	OLD_G_KUSH	Y/N/E
5	Vicpolky	vicpolky	Y/N/E
6	TheStig44	TheStig44	Y/N/E
7	Rex	Rex218	N
8	Norbury90	Norbury90	Y/N/E
9	Lord_Howit_hertz	Lord_Howit_Hertz	Y/N/E
10	Fartgalen	ViperGTS67	N
11	Daz4m	Torquenstein_05	Y/N/E
12	pexy	pexy123	Y/N/E
13	44quattro	the_big_sleep	N
14	les3002	les3002	Y/N/E
15	Ian_Suk	Ian_sUK	Y/N/E
16	y2blade	y2blade	Y/N/E
16	Diablos-666	Diablos-666MkII	Y/N/E

Updated...



Graham said I could take his slot

[Norbury90]

How many people can you have in an online race?

[Evo]

16 is the max number in one room.

[y2blade]

sorry I'm trying to get to speed with the Championship..what is the "Y/N/E" for after each name?

[Pvapour]

y2blade said:

sorry I'm trying to get to speed with the Championship..what is the "Y/N/E" for after each name?

It was to decide wether or not penalties should be applied to 1st, 2nd, 3rd winners for Race 2, I think I know your answer on this

Bit irrelevant now tbo, as I think there's enough feed back to make a call, 2nd draft below.

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PH GT5 Championship 2011 (Season 1)

Starts Sunday 16th january 9pm

Race 1

9pm Qualify
9.30 Race 1 start
10 min break before Race 2

Race 2

Starting grid to be reverse of finishing positions from Race 1

Tracks

16th January
Laguna Seca
Race 1 - 10 laps Dry
Race 2 - 10 laps Dry

23rd January
Trial Mountain
Race 1 - 10 laps Dry
Race 2 - 10 laps Dry

30th January
Nurburgring
Race 1 - 2 laps Dry
Race 2 - 2 laps Wet

6th February
Grand Valley
Race 1 - 10 laps Dry
Race 2 - 10 laps Dry

13th February
Monza
Race 1 - 10 laps Dry
Race 2 - 10 laps Wet

Points Awarded
1st = 21
2nd = 19
3rd = 17
4th = 15
5th = 13
6th = 12
and so on down to 17th Place = 1.
Fastest Lap = 2

Players

1	Darkdice	darkdice
2	pvapour	pvapour
3	RB26DETT	pumazetecs
4	RouleDuke	OLD_G_KUSH
5	Vicpolky	vicpolky
6	TheStig44	TheStig44
7	Rex	Rex218
8	Norbury90	Norbury90
9	Lord_Howit_hertz	Lord_Howit_Hertz
10	Fartgalen	ViperGTS67
11	Daz4m	Torquenstein_05
12	pexy	pexy123
13	44quattro	the_big_sleep
14	les3002	les3002
15	Ian_Suk	Ian_sUK
16	y2blade	y2blade
16	Diablos-666	Diablos-666MkII

Reserve drivers

1	Gun	mattq84
2	chrisg_s2k	Dr_Bid
3	Killer 2005	Killer_2005
4	Carmo99	Carmo99

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Cars
2 x Cars per competitor, only 1 x car per track.
Cars to be chosen by Friday 14th, no changes after this date.
1st Car - 400hp max / 1200kg min
2nd Car - 333hp per ton

Bhp	Kg
800	2400
750	2250
700	2100
650	1950
600	1800
550	1650
500	1500
450	1350
400	1200
350	1050
300	900
250	750

Restrictions & Aids
Sports soft tyres
no race cars, race car modification or aero modifications.
ABS only

Rules of conduct
i think we're all pretty respectful of what is acceptable and what is not in terms of contact, if you punt someone off the track and you know you are at fault then man up and let them rejoin in front of you, it's a good way of saying sorry we want to avoid people getting taken off and getting wound up as much as possible as it ruins the game, going at 8/10ths rather than 10/10th is a good idea, especialy at the first corner! it will happen of course but lets try
Corner cutting with 2 wheel still on track is allowed as is the occasional mistake but consistent corner cutting to gain a timing advantage will fall to the voting hammer of the other players and a review of replay (which will be saved after each race)

Disclaimer
being a complete novice at this, any additions or input from people on what's listed above would be gratefully received

ps - I think the unstable network is something we are just going to have to live with tbo, we are all in the same boat in terms of having trouble connecting, if someone is trying to get on we can always delay for 5mins to help, i will have my laptop to hand as many of you do, so posting on PH or IM? any suggestions?

Edited by Pvapour on Thursday 6th January 11:57

[y2blade]

I like the look of that ^^^



it is shaping up nicely

[44quattro]

Thanks for organising this pvapour. I’m really looking forward to it. Will be interesting over the 10 laps... pit stops if you’re on soft tyres surely?!?

For the exact power to weight ratios to equal 0.33333333 then the following table is a good guide to work to folks:

Bhp	Kg
800	2400
750	2250
700	2100
650	1950
600	1800
550	1650
500	1500
450	1350
400	1200
350	1050
300	900
250	750

In terms of penalties, what is going to be dished out? After last night’s destruction derby, I think we need some clarification. Is it going to be points deduction of some sort or a ban for the next race? The only reason I say this is because we can easily ruin someone else’s race by driving like an idiot.

Another thing, if we introduced mechanical damage (light) then this will stop folks from massively out-braking themselves and crashing as this will almost certainly hamper their progress before their car fixes itself 10 seconds (or however long it takes) after the crash. The only downside is that if they hit you hard enough your car could be damaged too. Maybe we could do a few test races with this on and get feedback from everyone? I’d also like to do a few 10 lap races too just to get an idea of tyre wear etc. – don’t know if we could try this too?

Fair and close driving is much more exciting than crashing out on the first corner but still folks think the race is won on the first corner. Given that these are 10 lap races (or close to 25 miles race distance at the Nurburgring) it makes no sense at all to possibly lose 10 secs or more will the rest of the pack sprint away as they have got through the first corner cleanly. I noticed last night that people were finishing over a minute behind the leader. We should be aiming to finish a lot closer than that over 4 laps.

[Evo]

You definatley get the "break away group" that got a clean start. Bearing in mind that the lap times are not hugely far apart it's impossible to catch this back up if you've been launched on the first bend. Even my Range Rover at the Ring last night was able to finish first as I cleared the carnage and drove a clean lap (discounting the race car that was in front of me).

[Diablos-666]

The other option is to all race as ghost cars, for two good reasons

1. 1 - You don't rammed into the corners

1. 2 - Due to lag sometimes the other person can't help it when they ram you. I've been there myself, been racing behind someone and then they just skid off the road for no reason. At the end of the race they give you abuse for taking them out whereas in your case you were no where near them?

I know this isn't the ideal option but it's an option none the less and will probaby keep stress levels down?

[y2blade]

Diablos-666 said:

The other option is to all race as ghost cars, for two good reasons

1. 1 - You don't rammed into the corners

1. 2 - Due to lag sometimes the other person can't help it when they ram you. I've been there myself, been racing behind someone and then they just skid off the road for no reason. At the end of the race they give you abuse for taking them out whereas in your case you were no where near them?

I know this isn't the ideal option but it's an option none the less and will probaby keep stress levels down?

nope, if it is ghost cars I'm out...where is the challenge in that...might as well run as a time trail

[Pvapour]

y2blade said:

I like the look of that ^^^



it is shaping up nicely

Seal of approval nice to have you on board

44quattro said:

Thanks for organising this pvapour. I’m really looking forward to it. Will be interesting over the 10 laps... pit stops if you’re on soft tyres surely?!?


In terms of penalties, what is going to be dished out? After last night’s destruction derby, I think we need some clarification. Is it going to be points deduction of some sort or a ban for the next race? The only reason I say this is because we can easily ruin someone else’s race by driving like an idiot.

Another thing, if we introduced mechanical damage (light) then this will stop folks from massively out-braking themselves and crashing as this will almost certainly hamper their progress before their car fixes itself 10 seconds (or however long it takes) after the crash. The only downside is that if they hit you hard enough your car could be damaged too. Maybe we could do a few test races with this on and get feedback from everyone? I’d also like to do a few 10 lap races too just to get an idea of tyre wear etc. – don’t know if we could try this too?

Fair and close driving is much more exciting than crashing out on the first corner but still folks think the race is won on the first corner. Given that these are 10 lap races (or close to 25 miles race distance at the Nurburgring) it makes no sense at all to possibly lose 10 secs or more will the rest of the pack sprint away as they have got through the first corner cleanly. I noticed last night that people were finishing over a minute behind the leader. We should be aiming to finish a lot closer than that over 4 laps.

No probs I have added the graph, looked much better than my effort

Going by last night, auto penalties for contact may be a good idea, would this encompass corner cutting as well? or can you separate what people are penalised for?

the Ghost racing in theory is quite a good idea, trouble is, people will ignore others on track entirely and just drive through them, having experienced this in time trials when a ghost is loaded its really off putting mid corner when your morphing with another car. If it were to work we'd have to add additional rules for ghost conduct & I have a sneaking suspicion more rules will not go down to well

Allot of the destruction derby from last night I think came from the difference of performance of the different weights, not having been a regular thus far I dont know if this was a normal amount of contact or above average, certainly needs to be less the 1st time I raced when it was 1200 / 400 only, it was much cleaner but then this may have been a one off?

If it was mainly due to people getting used to the yo yo effect caused by the different performance then it may not be an issue in the championship as people will be choosing something that is competitive at that track so SHOULD be fairly equal cars, not holding my breath though

It was only my 2nd time racing with you guys last night so sorry for any contact, I was adjusting to the different feel from online which was very different (did someone suggest that steering settings could be altered that made things better?)

Have added the reserve players to the list

An Idea
if anyone cant make a week to race how do you feel about nominating someone from the reserve list to race for you? (if they want to)

Edited by Pvapour on Thursday 6th January 12:34

[Darkdice]

1	Darkdice	darkdice	E
2	pvapour	pvapour	E
3	RB26DETT	pumazetecs	Y/N/E
4	RouleDuke	OLD_G_KUSH	Y/N/E
5	Vicpolky	vicpolky	Y/N/E
6	TheStig44	TheStig44	Y/N/E
7	Rex	Rex218	N
8	Norbury90	Norbury90	Y/N/E
9	Lord_Howit_hertz	Lord_Howit_Hertz	Y/N/E
10	Fartgalen	ViperGTS67	N
11	Daz4m	Torquenstein_05	Y/N/E
12	pexy	pexy123	Y/N/E
13	44quattro	the_big_sleep	N
14	les3002	les3002	Y/N/E
15	Ian_Suk	Ian_sUK	Y/N/E
16	y2blade	y2blade	Y/N/E
16	Diablos-666	Diablos-666MkII	Y/N/E

Sorry not looked at thread for couple of days - happy with whatever anyone else decides.

[y2blade]

Pvapour said:

y2blade said:

I like the look of that ^^^



it is shaping up nicely

Seal of approval nice to have you on board

44quattro said:

Thanks for organising this pvapour. I’m really looking forward to it. Will be interesting over the 10 laps... pit stops if you’re on soft tyres surely?!?


In terms of penalties, what is going to be dished out? After last night’s destruction derby, I think we need some clarification. Is it going to be points deduction of some sort or a ban for the next race? The only reason I say this is because we can easily ruin someone else’s race by driving like an idiot.

Another thing, if we introduced mechanical damage (light) then this will stop folks from massively out-braking themselves and crashing as this will almost certainly hamper their progress before their car fixes itself 10 seconds (or however long it takes) after the crash. The only downside is that if they hit you hard enough your car could be damaged too. Maybe we could do a few test races with this on and get feedback from everyone? I’d also like to do a few 10 lap races too just to get an idea of tyre wear etc. – don’t know if we could try this too?

Fair and close driving is much more exciting than crashing out on the first corner but still folks think the race is won on the first corner. Given that these are 10 lap races (or close to 25 miles race distance at the Nurburgring) it makes no sense at all to possibly lose 10 secs or more will the rest of the pack sprint away as they have got through the first corner cleanly. I noticed last night that people were finishing over a minute behind the leader. We should be aiming to finish a lot closer than that over 4 laps.

No probs I have added the graph, looked much better than my effort

Going by last night, auto penalties for contact may be a good idea, would this encompass corner cutting as well? or can you separate what people are penalised for?

the Ghost racing in theory is quite a good idea, trouble is, people will ignore others on track entirely and just drive through them, having experienced this in time trials when a ghost is loaded its really off putting mid corner when your morphing with another car. If it were to work we'd have to add additional rules for ghost conduct & I have a sneaking suspicion more rules will not go down to well

Allot of the destruction derby from last night I think came from the difference of performance of the different weights, not having been a regular thus far I dont know if this was a normal amount of contact or above average, certainly needs to be less the 1st time I raced when it was 1200 / 400 only, it was much cleaner but then this may have been a one off?

If it was mainly due to people getting used to the yo yo effect caused by the different performance then it may not be an issue in the championship as people will be choosing something that is competitive at that track so SHOULD be fairly equal cars, not holding my breath though

It was only my 2nd time racing with you guys last night so sorry for any contact, I was adjusting to the different feel from online which was very different (did someone suggest that steering settings could be altered that made things better?)

Have added the reserve players to the list

An Idea
if anyone cant make a week to race how do you feel about nominating someone from the reserve list to race for you? (if they want to)

Edited by Pvapour on Thursday 6th January 12:34

ignore last night

last night was NOTHING to do with this championship, people behave differently in championship races

[Simond S]

I'm in. simmoinsussex

I'll miss a couple of meetings as i travel to the office on one Sunday night a month.

[anonymous-user]

I've been dropped off the reserve list

[vicpolky]

The topic of driving to not hit one another is important.
I'll just say now that I'm as guilty as anyone at losing concentration and missing my braking points sometimes, but I'm trying hard to improve.
I'd rather compromise my own lap than hit someone - that's how I drive in real life, and that's how I think we should approach this.
It's not rocket science - if you are behind someone, unless you take a very different line (clearly inside for example) you can't stick to your own normal braking point. You have to allow for the other car's braking space - this is compounded earlier on in the races, especially first corners where there are many cars braking into corners - we should be braking to allow for the car in front's braking. It's not good enough to think "I'm a faster driver than you" and just bludgeon through. The general principle of if you do hit someone, letting them rejoin in front of you is a good one, but we should be aiming to make any contact a rare exception.

ETA - similarly, if you're the car in front you have to be aware that the car behind might make a move down the inside, and take care not to just cut in on them on your preferred line, defending your line as per real-life racing is fine, but that's different. It it hard, especially without the benefit of side mirrors, but we all have to try to take account of this.

Edited by vicpolky on Thursday 6th January 14:24

Edited by vicpolky on Thursday 6th January 14:25

[44quattro]

y2blade said:

ignore last night

last night was NOTHING to do with this championship, people behave differently in championship races

And why should people behave differently in championship races to those from last night? There’s a standard driving etiquette that should be adhered to.

Also, I think the excuse of “I was trying a new car out and that’s why I battered in to you on the first corner” is bks. Some of the offending cars were the usual 400/1200 brigade so it just comes down to folk driving like wallopers.

vicpolky said:

The topic of driving to not hit one another is important...

Well said vicpolky.

It’s really annoying when someone punts you off but then continues on merrily as if nothing happened. If they waited for you to re-join and pass then I don’t mind at all, but at least have the decency to admit you’ve made a mistake and give up the place that you’ve taken through driving like a chump.

[y2blade]

44quattro said:

y2blade said:

ignore last night

last night was NOTHING to do with this championship, people behave differently in championship races

And why should people behave differently in championship races to those from last night? There’s a standard driving etiquette that should be adhered to.

Also, I think the excuse of “I was trying a new car out and that’s why I battered in to you on the first corner” is bks. Some of the offending cars were the usual 400/1200 brigade so it just comes down to folk driving like wallopers.

vicpolky said:

The topic of driving to not hit one another is important...

Well said vicpolky.

It’s really annoying when someone punts you off but then continues on merrily as if nothing happened. If they waited for you to re-join and pass then I don’t mind at all, but at least have the decency to admit you’ve made a mistake and give up the place that you’ve taken through driving like a chump.

wow you take a different tone on here, it sounded like you were enjoying yourself last night

[44quattro]

y2blade said:

wow you take a different tone on here, it sounded like you were enjoying yourself last night

Don't use a mic, got me confused with someone else?

[anonymous-user]

IMO it's a big problem. Grand Valley last night was a joke, hardly anyone was driving as if other cars were even on the track.

You're right, saying woops I'm not used to the car is no excuse because you should be braking earlier to find the limits of the car.

Admittedly I did hit darkdice during a duel but that wasn't a braking zone. I was following behind accelerating out of a corner and the speed differential was suddenly massive for some reason and I hit him. No idea how it happened.

I'm always really careful about hitting people, probably why I finish in the back half most of the time...