Haggling with a photographer

Haggling with a photographer

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hornetrider

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63,161 posts

206 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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Is it the done thing? We had a family shoot this week which went well. Most enjoyable and I suspect we may want a few large pics/prints but his pricing is expensive. Very expensive.

Thoughts?!

AndWhyNot

2,358 posts

200 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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If it "went well", you "enjoyed it" and you're likely to "want prints" it's an early suggestion of why the prints seem expensive, like the difference between eating at Harvester and Manoir aux Quat' Saisons- both dismiss your hunger but one does it so much more masterfully than t'other.

At what point did you see the photographer's price list? It's one thing if you've not really factored it in before the shoot but if it was downplayed/ concealed until after the shoot it sounds a bit underhand.

hornetrider

Original Poster:

63,161 posts

206 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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Oh no very upfront in the shop/studio and all above board. Various style portraits/pribrs on display with pricing etc. Arranged by my wife though you see... I wasn't privvy to precise costs til after the shoot. hehe

DocJock

8,360 posts

241 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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So your missus wanted this, arranged it, and approved the prices but now you want to 'haggle' over her deal?

Christ, you're a braver man than me!

Mattt

16,661 posts

219 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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I'm sure most small businesses aren't averse to haggling if there's a reasonable deal still in it for them - if you're going to spend a lot, I don't see the harm in asking for a 'deal'.

Simpo Two

85,631 posts

266 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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hornetrider said:
Arranged by my wife though you see...
Ah well, she can pay for it smile

If it was one of those deals where the shoot is free, that explains the high print prices. I work the opposite way - I charge for the shoot, but give the images on disk so prints are effectively free and unlimited.

markmullen

15,877 posts

235 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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If she'd already agreed prices I don't approve of trying to renegotiate the deal, similarly if you're only buying set packages or items.

If however you're buying a few I don't think there is anything wrong in asking for a deal for multiples.


williaa68

1,528 posts

167 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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We had a professional shoot done of the kids about a year ago. Once we agreed to purchase 3 photos he offered to sell us all the rest on disk for another £150. Your bloke may do the same thing so i suggest a staged approach - but a couple and see if he offers to sell you the disk. If he doesnt you can always buy more.

Funk

26,307 posts

210 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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Ask for extra prints to be included rather than a discount off the price.

"Tell you what; if we take that, that and two of these, would you be willing to include one of those and this in the price...?"

Add value rather than devalue his or her skills if you like the results.

bramley

1,670 posts

209 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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I'm fairly open to deals when customers start spending. I wouldn't do a discount on one or two prints but a recent customer for instance is having 7 prints and a big multi-aperture frame, they're spending £815 and have mentioned additional prints as xmas presents for family so I'm doing them a special deal on those.

OP, I think if you're clearly appreciative of the work your presented with and you WANT to buy, then there's nothing wrong with asking.

ETA: what Funk said is correct.

Simpo Two

85,631 posts

266 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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bramley said:
OP, I think if you're clearly appreciative of the work your presented with and you WANT to buy, then there's nothing wrong with asking.
Now you see to me that's contradictory... 'I like your work so much I don't want to pay full price for it.'

Funk's idea is fairer.

bramley

1,670 posts

209 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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Simpo Two said:
Now you see to me that's contradictory... 'I like your work so much I don't want to pay full price for it.'

Funk's idea is fairer.
I didn't explain myself very well - I agree!

iiyama

2,201 posts

202 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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Gotta say that I'm not keen on the haggling after unless the prices were not known about up front. This isn't the case here as stated.

I play with photography but fit bathrooms/kitchens for a living. An estimate for the cost of the job is given up front. if this is agreed then there is nothing worse then the customer saying at the end, (and I have had this happen!), "love the job, over the moon with the detail and finish, but lets talk about the cost".

Haggle up front by all means. Afterward though is wrong in my opinion.

jimmy156

3,691 posts

188 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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iiyama said:
Gotta say that I'm not keen on the haggling after unless the prices were not known about up front. This isn't the case here as stated.

I play with photography but fit bathrooms/kitchens for a living. An estimate for the cost of the job is given up front. if this is agreed then there is nothing worse then the customer saying at the end, (and I have had this happen!), "love the job, over the moon with the detail and finish, but lets talk about the cost".

Haggle up front by all means. Afterward though is wrong in my opinion.
Its different with photography though.

Often the deal with a family portrait is that you spend a small amount upfront for the shoot, and then once you have seen the photo's you buy as many or as few as you want, maybe as prints, maybe on canvas, maybe on disc.

Two customers who initially book the same session may end up spending hugely different amounts once they have seen the photo's. This is the only time any haggling can realistically be done because the final price may not be known until this point.

OP haggling is fine IME, ask for a % discount, ask for some extra prints to be included, whatever you feel is reasonable. If you are spending £100's im sure the 'tog will be willing to strike a deal with you as "costs" of prints etc. to the photographer are negligible, you're are paying for his skill and talent and he will probably be willing to discount the price if you are willing to spend lots of money!

JDRoest

1,126 posts

151 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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hornetrider said:
Is it the done thing? We had a family shoot this week which went well. Most enjoyable and I suspect we may want a few large pics/prints but his pricing is expensive. Very expensive.
I think it's pretty bad form to be honest. You knew his price list, you agreed to the shoot, and then your asking him to take a pay cut after you've done the photoshoot. Most photographers don't earn vast amounts and it all averages out over the year.

Had one guy earlier this year haggling over a $10 photo, I remember the words "what size print do you send for that?" and "it's way over priced for a digital photo".

MysteryLemon

4,968 posts

192 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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Did it not occur to you to check the reprint prices before booking him? Find someone who is cheaper.

jimmy156

3,691 posts

188 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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JDRoest said:
[snip]asking him to take a pay cut after you've done the photoshoot [/snip]
But you're not, are you. The way most, and by the sounds of it this, photographers work mean at this stage when the customer is viewing the photo's, the customer will have not paid for much if anything at all.

Lets say the customer loved 10 of the shots at £50 per print. However the customers says his budget only stretched to buying 5 of the prints. I would imagine most photographers would be happy to do a deal whereby they could have all 10 prints that they liked for a total of say... £375. This way the customer feels he is getting a good deal, and has all the images they liked. And the photographer earns another £125 they may not have otherwise got, for the cost of few prints.

This sounds like the kind of situation the OP was in and i imagine is how most 'togs work, its how we do it in our studio.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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Did you pay for the shoot? Did it include any prints?

Taking, processing, prepairing and printing (framed,mounted?) is a time consuming skilled business.

I can spend a couple of hours prepairing a file for printing after processing it. though portraiture may be different

laam999

538 posts

170 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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Leave it to the other half, she got you in this state and I think it's rather unfair to ask for a discount now, unless you're spending over 300-400, but that's just my oppinion ^_^

jamoor

14,506 posts

216 months

Saturday 1st December 2012
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I've never considered hiring a photographer that sells "prints".

All the images, post processing on CD in full resolution is usually part of the deal.

I prefer a transparent pricing scheme.