The camera can capture some fantastic moments IV
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Ironically, I've been having a bit of an ethical debate about sharing a picture in this thread. And that one only shows the scene AFTER a casualty has been removed. It was taken in 1994 in Canada. I'm still not sure about sharing it.
It brought me to a halt for a while after I found it in a packet of photos while looking for some pictures I had of the firing of a live Giant Viper mine clearing device, and a few anti-tank rocket shots from a range day. I'd searched for the pictures after one of my sons asked a question about explosions.
The photos are prints of 35mm negatives, so I'd have to scan them to share them anyway...
...as for those images in the post (and Mail link) above? Why not show them. My picture was from a live fire training accident in BATUS, Canada. The entry on the Light Infantry - Obituaries website reads...
Soldiering is a dangerous game. In BATUS alone, 5 soldiers died, or were killed, in training accidents in 1994. One in a collision between a Warrior and a Landrover; two were buried in trench by a 155mm artillery shell which landed far too close; one was run over by Warrior; one (Sgt Powell) was a victim of a gunshot wound (GSW) on exercise. Photographs like the one posted above, aside from their portrayal of someone's last moments, are an important reminder that it is not just "on operations" that service personnel risk making that "ultimate sacrifice" to ensure the safety and security of the country and the population.
Questions are rightly asked in Parliament about these accidents. Here's one answer to such a question... http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers... ...quite sobering to see deaths reduced to brief lines in a Parliamentary statement. All of those named will have their names inscribed on the memorial at the National Arboretum too. That records deaths "in service", not just those killed on operations.
More on the subject here... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3171448/On... ...so if you're squeamish, and easily offended, look away now. I'm not debating the rights and wrongs of military operations here, but it's a cold, hard fact that men and women die training to take their place before the colours in defence of this country and the freedom of it's inhabitants. Freedom does indeed "come at a price".
It brought me to a halt for a while after I found it in a packet of photos while looking for some pictures I had of the firing of a live Giant Viper mine clearing device, and a few anti-tank rocket shots from a range day. I'd searched for the pictures after one of my sons asked a question about explosions.
The photos are prints of 35mm negatives, so I'd have to scan them to share them anyway...
...as for those images in the post (and Mail link) above? Why not show them. My picture was from a live fire training accident in BATUS, Canada. The entry on the Light Infantry - Obituaries website reads...
his online obituary said:
Mark ( Cozy ) Powell, Sgt. - died 16th. September 1994, aged 34yrs. His death resulted from a fatal gun shot wound whilst serving in BATUS, Canada. Born in Weston-Super- Mare he enlisted into LI .in August 1976 and following training was posted to 1 LI. He served in 1 LI. for most of his career including several tours in Northern Ireland. He attended many Infantry courses and by June 1993 had reached the rank of Sgt. His main strength was in gunnery which led him to serving 2yrs. at Lulworth as a gunnery instructor. He joined 2 LI. after the merger and worked in the gunnery wing, where he ran regular cadres and many soldiers have gained from the knowledge and experience he has passed on to them. He was buried at the Aldershot Military Cemetary by a Burial Party from 2 LI. and a Firing Party from 1 LI. A Memorial Service was held on Monday 17th. October 1994 by the Bn. at which his wife was present.
...I was driving an APC following up the live fire attack, and the incident happened directly ahead of me, although through the smoke and dust I was spared witnessing the actual shooting.Soldiering is a dangerous game. In BATUS alone, 5 soldiers died, or were killed, in training accidents in 1994. One in a collision between a Warrior and a Landrover; two were buried in trench by a 155mm artillery shell which landed far too close; one was run over by Warrior; one (Sgt Powell) was a victim of a gunshot wound (GSW) on exercise. Photographs like the one posted above, aside from their portrayal of someone's last moments, are an important reminder that it is not just "on operations" that service personnel risk making that "ultimate sacrifice" to ensure the safety and security of the country and the population.
Questions are rightly asked in Parliament about these accidents. Here's one answer to such a question... http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers... ...quite sobering to see deaths reduced to brief lines in a Parliamentary statement. All of those named will have their names inscribed on the memorial at the National Arboretum too. That records deaths "in service", not just those killed on operations.
More on the subject here... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3171448/On... ...so if you're squeamish, and easily offended, look away now. I'm not debating the rights and wrongs of military operations here, but it's a cold, hard fact that men and women die training to take their place before the colours in defence of this country and the freedom of it's inhabitants. Freedom does indeed "come at a price".
I agree with the above post entirely, and the picture above may well be "a great photo", but it is not what this thread is about and never has been. There has always been an unwritten rule of "no death" in this thread since it is supposed to be light-hearted, funny, weird, moments in time captured on camera.
There are plenty of other threads for the serious news pictures and the grandiose, arty shots.
Just my £0.02. Other opinions are available. YMMV.
There are plenty of other threads for the serious news pictures and the grandiose, arty shots.
Just my £0.02. Other opinions are available. YMMV.
TTmonkey said:
A truely stunning, but tragic photo taken at the exact moment a mortar round 'cooks off' in the tube as it is fired during a training exercise.
The photo has been released as a tribute to the people that died at the scene, 4 afghans soldiers and an American soldier/photographer.
The story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4464568/Ar...
tThe photo has been released as a tribute to the people that died at the scene, 4 afghans soldiers and an American soldier/photographer.
The story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4464568/Ar...
tDid not want or need to see that.
If you have to, use a spoiler
Dr Murdoch said:
TTmonkey said:
A truely stunning, but tragic photo taken at the exact moment a mortar round 'cooks off' in the tube as it is fired during a training exercise.
The photo has been released as a tribute to the people that died at the scene, 4 afghans soldiers and an American soldier/photographer.
The story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4464568/Ar...
tThe photo has been released as a tribute to the people that died at the scene, 4 afghans soldiers and an American soldier/photographer.
The story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4464568/Ar...
tDid not want or need to see that.
If you have to, use a spoiler
In all honesty in the context of a great photo - yes it is. However it most assuredly is not a fantastic moment - which is after all the name of the thread....
anonymous said:
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I put this photo on here due to the context:First, it's been published with the express permission of the family of the person that took the photo. They want the world up see the event that took the lives of people serving their country.
Second, the photo is published now in main stream media, in the papers and across the net.
Thirdly, it did exactly what the thread describes. It gives us a scene that only the camera can capture, a briefest of snapshots in time. Imho, the thread has been ruined over time not by photos like this, bug by the inane photos of cats and camels, and other such none event photos that could have gone on any joke thread instead.
It is a powerful photograph that does show an impending but unfolding disaster, and i am sure If we saw the images of even just one second later it would be unacceptable on this thread.
Please, if you look at it and it hurts you to see it, report it for deletion.
I however think it is far to important an image to delete. Especially in the context of its release. It is the essence of this thread and what this thread was created to show, in my view.
You're wrong, and you're missing the point. IT'S THE WRONG THREAD!
Try looking back to Vol 1 page 1 and compare the photos there. The only way this lighthearted thread has been ruined is by people who don't get the point of it. There are other threads for serious news and art photographs.
Try looking back to Vol 1 page 1 and compare the photos there. The only way this lighthearted thread has been ruined is by people who don't get the point of it. There are other threads for serious news and art photographs.
By no stretch of the imagination can that image be considered a 'fantastic moment' which is what this thread is all about.
If anyone considers this thread has been ruined by the inclusion of 'shadow' pics., they're free to start their own thread and post the type of photos they consider appropriate in it but if that's an example of their choice, I won't be looking at it.
If anyone considers this thread has been ruined by the inclusion of 'shadow' pics., they're free to start their own thread and post the type of photos they consider appropriate in it but if that's an example of their choice, I won't be looking at it.
TTmonkey said:
I put this photo on here due to the context:
First, it's been published with the express permission of the family of the person that took the photo. They want the world up see the event that took the lives of people serving their country.
Second, the photo is published now in main stream media, in the papers and across the net.
Thirdly, it did exactly what the thread describes. It gives us a scene that only the camera can capture, a briefest of snapshots in time. Imho, the thread has been ruined over time not by photos like this, bug by the inane photos of cats and camels, and other such none event photos that could have gone on any joke thread instead.
It is a powerful photograph that does show an impending but unfolding disaster, and i am sure If we saw the images of even just one second later it would be unacceptable on this thread.
Please, if you look at it and it hurts you to see it, report it for deletion.
I however think it is far to important an image to delete. Especially in the context of its release. It is the essence of this thread and what this thread was created to show, in my view.
I'm with you TT.First, it's been published with the express permission of the family of the person that took the photo. They want the world up see the event that took the lives of people serving their country.
Second, the photo is published now in main stream media, in the papers and across the net.
Thirdly, it did exactly what the thread describes. It gives us a scene that only the camera can capture, a briefest of snapshots in time. Imho, the thread has been ruined over time not by photos like this, bug by the inane photos of cats and camels, and other such none event photos that could have gone on any joke thread instead.
It is a powerful photograph that does show an impending but unfolding disaster, and i am sure If we saw the images of even just one second later it would be unacceptable on this thread.
Please, if you look at it and it hurts you to see it, report it for deletion.
I however think it is far to important an image to delete. Especially in the context of its release. It is the essence of this thread and what this thread was created to show, in my view.
I (very) occasionally look at this thread as I'm interested in photography but all that ever seems to be in it are s
t photos of animals standing in front of something 'funny' or a 'hilarious' juxtaposition of foreground and background.Whilst the photo shows a tragic moment, it's the only one for ages that has given me pause and made me think about something like that happening.
Anyway, it's obviously unpopular so back we go to 'hilarious' ostrich facial expressions or whatever.
Disastrous said:
I'm with you TT.
I (very) occasionally look at this thread as I'm interested in photography but all that ever seems to be in it are st photos of animals standing in front of something 'funny' or a 'hilarious' juxtaposition of foreground and background.
Whilst the photo shows a tragic moment, it's the only one for ages that has given me pause and made me think about something like that happening.
Anyway, it's obviously unpopular so back we go to 'hilarious' ostrich facial expressions or whatever.
start a "the camera can capture some moments that give you pause and make you think about people being blown up" or "powerful and important moments of impending disaster" threadI (very) occasionally look at this thread as I'm interested in photography but all that ever seems to be in it are s
t photos of animals standing in front of something 'funny' or a 'hilarious' juxtaposition of foreground and background.Whilst the photo shows a tragic moment, it's the only one for ages that has given me pause and made me think about something like that happening.
Anyway, it's obviously unpopular so back we go to 'hilarious' ostrich facial expressions or whatever.
Strangely Brown said:
You're wrong, and you're missing the point. IT'S THE WRONG THREAD!
Try looking back to Vol 1 page 1 and compare the photos there. The only way this lighthearted thread has been ruined is by people who don't get the point of it. There are other threads for serious news and art photographs.
Suggest you go back to Vol 1 Page 1 and click on the user profile that started the original thread and ask yourself who knows more about the idea of the thread.Try looking back to Vol 1 page 1 and compare the photos there. The only way this lighthearted thread has been ruined is by people who don't get the point of it. There are other threads for serious news and art photographs.
Here is the link to help you out half the way
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Seriously it was impossible to pick a worse person to argue about the intent of this thread with
Edited by 8.4L 154 on Wednesday 3rd May 14:58
Disastrous said:
I'm with you TT.
I (very) occasionally look at this thread as I'm interested in photography but all that ever seems to be in it are st photos of animals standing in front of something 'funny' or a 'hilarious' juxtaposition of foreground and background.
Whilst the photo shows a tragic moment, it's the only one for ages that has given me pause and made me think about something like that happening.
Anyway, it's obviously unpopular so back we go to 'hilarious' ostrich facial expressions or whatever.
The photography threads are thataway ---->I (very) occasionally look at this thread as I'm interested in photography but all that ever seems to be in it are s
t photos of animals standing in front of something 'funny' or a 'hilarious' juxtaposition of foreground and background.Whilst the photo shows a tragic moment, it's the only one for ages that has given me pause and made me think about something like that happening.
Anyway, it's obviously unpopular so back we go to 'hilarious' ostrich facial expressions or whatever.
The photos that you object to on this thread are the very point of it. There are plenty of places for serious elsewhere.
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