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Kermit power said:
I get it that phones are producing much better quality shots these days, but do you not find the loss of variable lens length frustrating?
I default to a 28mm prime on an APS-C sensor, but do still frequently use a 10-20, 70-300 and 100mm macro.
I've got a prime and 12-40mm lens for the EM5, but I can count on one hand the numbers of times Ive used them in the last year. Where as the phone is just there.I default to a 28mm prime on an APS-C sensor, but do still frequently use a 10-20, 70-300 and 100mm macro.
If I had loads of free time still I would love playing with more lens, but free time is pretty rare these days.
I rarely used my Canon 5D/Lenses after my son was born as it was too much to carry around, but since switching to mirrorless I'm shooting more than ever, as toddlers are great subjects, they have such funny expressions and they're always into something. There are always plenty of people (family etc) wanting to see the photos too.
I find that a small mirrorless body with one lens attached is easy to manage whilst wrangling a toddler.
I find that a small mirrorless body with one lens attached is easy to manage whilst wrangling a toddler.
singlecoil said:
Kermit power said:
I also love the idea that should I wish, I will be able to take a picture on the camera and post it to social media via my phone straight away.
I suppose that technically that's photography 
Why would what you do with the file after you've captured it have any bearing on whether or not it's considered "photography"?
afternoon;
good debate on here !
I haven't had chance yet to try a mirrorless camera, but I will based upon the views presented here
I too have toddlers - twins;
so, response speed is key.
this is the one limitation I've found with the iphone x - there is just too much lag from pressing the 'shutter' to capture.
should be fun
good debate on here !
I haven't had chance yet to try a mirrorless camera, but I will based upon the views presented here
I too have toddlers - twins;
so, response speed is key.
this is the one limitation I've found with the iphone x - there is just too much lag from pressing the 'shutter' to capture.
should be fun
Any lag in any mirrorless system will be down to focus, some of them dont have the fastest autofocus and wont shoot until lock is achieved.
You can usually configure that or use back button focusing, which may result in more out of focus shots.
Even though typical mirrorless cameras are slower than dslrs they are still pretty on the ball compared to phones, and the focus system of say the 3rd gen a7's or fuji xt-3, canon m50/R is pretty solid.
You can usually configure that or use back button focusing, which may result in more out of focus shots.
Even though typical mirrorless cameras are slower than dslrs they are still pretty on the ball compared to phones, and the focus system of say the 3rd gen a7's or fuji xt-3, canon m50/R is pretty solid.
red997 said:
I too have toddlers - twins;
so, response speed is key.
this is the one limitation I've found with the iphone x - there is just too much lag from pressing the 'shutter' to capture.
The AF speed on the EM5 II is the same as my old 550D. Am sure a 5D is quicker but I've yet found an issue with the AF speed in real life.so, response speed is key.
this is the one limitation I've found with the iphone x - there is just too much lag from pressing the 'shutter' to capture.
One interesting thing about phones is the software been used to overcome hardware limitations. Doesnt the iPhone have a 'live' photo mode? Samsung Call a it 'motion' photo so you actually get to see about 5 frames at 1080P before the final photo 'shutter' press.
The quality clearly isn't as good but good enough for viewing on phone screens.
Am really intrigued by Googles 'Top shot' feature on the Pixel 3. Where it sounds like it takes this feature to the next level by essentially 'shooting' at full res long before you press and uses AI software to pick out the best shot.....but am far to cheap to drop £700 on a Pixel 3. Though with it been a purely software feature hopefully someone might port the feature over to the S9.
Am going to keep my EM5 because even with the kit lens it produces some fab results, and if I ever wanted to go back to telephoto you can get decent glass for it.
On the contrast, I recently had to make this decision and decided to stay with DSLR.
Had my budget been slightly more, then maybe it would have changed things, but it boiled down to either a D750 or an A7ii and out of the two the D750 trumped it for the type of shots I like taking.
The size of the mirrorless cameras was also appealing to me. But when you stick a lens on the end (even for travelling), or you take a whole bag of lenses, flashes, slaves, tripod etc etc, then a slightly smaller body doesn't really make a huge amount of difference.
The autofocus on the A7ii was what done it for me, I mostly shoot sports and moving subjects and review after review suggested that the Sony didn't excel in that area, where as the Nikon got praised left right and centre.
I am a true believer however that once you get to semi-pro camera level there isn't a huge amount in it, and its each to their own. It's what you do with the camera thats important.
Had my budget been slightly more, then maybe it would have changed things, but it boiled down to either a D750 or an A7ii and out of the two the D750 trumped it for the type of shots I like taking.
The size of the mirrorless cameras was also appealing to me. But when you stick a lens on the end (even for travelling), or you take a whole bag of lenses, flashes, slaves, tripod etc etc, then a slightly smaller body doesn't really make a huge amount of difference.
The autofocus on the A7ii was what done it for me, I mostly shoot sports and moving subjects and review after review suggested that the Sony didn't excel in that area, where as the Nikon got praised left right and centre.
I am a true believer however that once you get to semi-pro camera level there isn't a huge amount in it, and its each to their own. It's what you do with the camera thats important.
Kewy said:
The size of the mirrorless cameras was also appealing to me. But when you stick a lens on the end (even for travelling), or you take a whole bag of lenses, flashes, slaves, tripod etc etc, then a slightly smaller body doesn't really make a huge amount of difference.
This is what pushed me away from full frame, lenses designed for a cropped sensor are that much smaller. The full frame mirrorless systems just aren't that much smaller than a DSLR.GetCarter said:
Craikeybaby said:
The full frame mirrorless systems just aren't that much smaller than a DSLR.
well... yea, but no but.... about 1/3 the size and weight if you're used to pro models:
Newer FF models are much, much smaller.
Also one has a prime on and the other a zoom.
Oh and with the Sony you'd need to be carrying about 4 batteries...
Don't get me wrong, they both have their pro's and con's – but all this mirrorless is more compact and therefore more accessible is way over played if you ask me.
Kewy said:
That's not really a fair comparison though. Is that a D2x on the right?
Newer FF models are much, much smaller.
Also one has a prime on and the other a zoom.
Oh and with the Sony you'd need to be carrying about 4 batteries...
Don't get me wrong, they both have their pro's and con's – but all this mirrorless is more compact and therefore more accessible is way over played if you ask me.
I did say Pro models, which I what I've been using for the past 17 years, all of which were that size. The lens just happened to be on the body (second smallest lens I owned!). Fact remains that my gear in both weight and size has reduced by 2/3 in the past two years.Newer FF models are much, much smaller.
Also one has a prime on and the other a zoom.
Oh and with the Sony you'd need to be carrying about 4 batteries...
Don't get me wrong, they both have their pro's and con's – but all this mirrorless is more compact and therefore more accessible is way over played if you ask me.
Craikeybaby said:
With similar lenses, say a 24-70, there isn't that much difference.
.. the thing is, with mirrorless you have the option of going compact, bolt on a small prime 35/2.8 Samyang or something and its super light setup, even with 55/1.8 ... where as with DSLR its always going to be bulkier... with a "brick" of a camera with a little lens on the front... I enjoy the reduced weight and bulk of my two mirrorless cameras....
edit : also the batteries really aren't large heavy or bulky to carry around .... not that you need too many with the new ones they have now...
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