Has The Day Come? (Bye bye SLR)
Discussion
DailyHack said:
But, seriously DSLRs are going nowhere for the pros and serious hobbyists, it borders on ignorance sometimes that people think this is all you need to make an image, it takes skill and time to learn to "take a photograph" many elements to it, and many elements to get the brief for the client right
Have you seen DSLR sales figures recently, I presume you make a living or some money from photography if you have 'clients' but most of us who use to buy DSLRs for a hobby simply aren't buying any more.https://www.statista.com/statistics/799526/shipmen...
Yes a 50mm prime lens will give you better quality, but most of people don't pixel peep, and the DOF of the main sensor on my S21 is actually half decent.
I do wonder if my S21 would be able to capture this shot I got with my EM5.........I honestly don't know, I see no reason why not, I'll have a go when lockdown finally ends, it'll be interesting to see. I the sensor/AF ability of the S21 should manage it, DOF humm am not sure. However is Samsung paired up the x3 optical zoom lens with the current 108MB main sensor I recon that'll give the DOF needed, which is why for now I haven't sold my EM5 - I was ready too. But my next camera purchase will almost certainly be the a S23/24 Ultra, with a zoom lens sensor as good as the main sensor
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Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 2nd February 08:05
Talking of zoom; I've a friend who used to pester me with images of the Moon taken with a bridge Nikon at 900/100mm. They were excellent images, even with the cropping he induiged in.
Anyone who has been a member of a camera club probably knows the bloke with the rangefinder camera who regularly wins competitions and whose area in the public displays gets the crowds. Feel free to despise them. For the single arty-type image, almost anything goes as a camera. But as phone cameras have improved in image quality and flexibility, so have compacts and SLRs. They are now very sophisticated.
In those dreamy days before lockdowns and restrictions, children used to have parties. I would take my grandkids and my mirrorless to show working parents what they were missing. I would set up various programmes on my camera before going and switch to them quickly when they were needed. I would also take a series of images and pick the best. I also used the bracketing system whereby the camera takes fives shots with various exposures and then amalgamates them. I would send images to various parents (aftr showing some on my mobile phone) and I would be told my images were much better than they captured on their cameras. I had a reputation of being a very good to excellent photographer.
I did little to dispel this of course, but I know I'm not. It's the camera that I can set up to the conditions. I take ten images and then pick the best or, if little Ephemeral is blinking in one, I can pick another. In some ways I'm the perfect photographer as I provide the parents with just the sort of images they want.
Anyone who has been a member of a camera club probably knows the bloke with the rangefinder camera who regularly wins competitions and whose area in the public displays gets the crowds. Feel free to despise them. For the single arty-type image, almost anything goes as a camera. But as phone cameras have improved in image quality and flexibility, so have compacts and SLRs. They are now very sophisticated.
In those dreamy days before lockdowns and restrictions, children used to have parties. I would take my grandkids and my mirrorless to show working parents what they were missing. I would set up various programmes on my camera before going and switch to them quickly when they were needed. I would also take a series of images and pick the best. I also used the bracketing system whereby the camera takes fives shots with various exposures and then amalgamates them. I would send images to various parents (aftr showing some on my mobile phone) and I would be told my images were much better than they captured on their cameras. I had a reputation of being a very good to excellent photographer.
I did little to dispel this of course, but I know I'm not. It's the camera that I can set up to the conditions. I take ten images and then pick the best or, if little Ephemeral is blinking in one, I can pick another. In some ways I'm the perfect photographer as I provide the parents with just the sort of images they want.
I just had a play with Samsung Dex running wireless to our 55inch LG OLED panel, fired up Photoshop Express. Forget bye bye SLR, it may even be soon bye bye laptop/desktop in the whole work flow process, especially now all the photos autoback up to Flickr/Google, so actually uploading to the laptop+backing up to the NAS adds very little......
Simpo Two said:
Well I looked up Samsung Dex and still have no idea what you're on about. I'll stick to photography, not IT
That's the point, shot on the phone, edit on the phone, backup on the phone, share/print on the phone.No more faffing with memory cards, organising photo libraries on the computer, faffing with local backups = More time taking photos and less time IT
.gangzoom said:
Richjam said:
RJB_2279-Edit.jpg by Richard Brown, on FlickrMobile phones have their place but there's certainly shots that only an SLR and decent length lens will do. Ultimately it depends on what you want to photograph!
I can count on one hand how many times I used the 300mm lens on my old DSLR in a decade, yet I use my phone camera every day.
Interms of 'value for money' unless you make a living from photography these latest phones are all you need - extreme zoom subjects aside.
The main sensor on the S21 Utra is actually amazing at what it can capture given its size, if Samsung/Apple can find a way to get the zoom lens to use that sensor it really would be the killer feature for my next photography gear upgrade.
Phones are ok at what they do. My Samsung has a decent camera but I hardly ever use it. I have my RX100 with me most of the time and no matter what you say you will never convince me even the latest mobile phone can take better pictures if I need reach I take the FZ2000 which replaced all my DSLR kit a few years ago.
gangzoom said:
Simpo Two said:
Well I looked up Samsung Dex and still have no idea what you're on about. I'll stick to photography, not IT
That's the point, shot on the phone, edit on the phone, backup on the phone, share/print on the phone.No more faffing with memory cards, organising photo libraries on the computer, faffing with local backups = More time taking photos and less time IT
.Narcisus said:
They were my kids I hasten to add not just randoms !Well it appears with Dex my daughter has quickly worked out she can access all the games on her tablet but no on daddies laptop, and as we all know everything is more 'fun' on daddies stuff.
So I've gone from been excited about been able to edit photos quicker to now not been able to use my laptop at all....at least the phone still works independently!
Simpo Two said:
But I don't want a camera that handles like a chocolate bar and has no buttons.
Not everyone does, but I personally don't really care that much as long as the end result is good. Had a chance to play with DEX properly now, and my workflow has changed from:Phone -> upload to cloud -> proper 100% crop look on a big screen -> delete bad photo from phone and cloud to.
Phone -> Launch phone interface on the laptop and examine -> delete from phone and upload to cloud direct.
So I can see my self going one step beyond what the OP has done, and say Bye Bye to the laptop soon! - Just need to work out LR mobile.
gangzoom said:
Simpo Two said:
But I don't want a camera that handles like a chocolate bar and has no buttons.
Not everyone does, but I personally don't really care that much as long as the end result is good. Had a chance to play with DEX properly now, and my workflow has changed from:Phone -> upload to cloud -> proper 100% crop look on a big screen -> delete bad photo from phone and cloud to.
Phone -> Launch phone interface on the laptop and examine -> delete from phone and upload to cloud direct.
So I can see my self going one step beyond what the OP has done, and say Bye Bye to the laptop soon! - Just need to work out LR mobile.
Narcisus said:
Who do so many pictures taken with phones feature really overdone HDR type effects ? Judging by Facebook a lot of people really seem to like them !
I think phone manufacturers do it to deliberately irritate anyone over the age of 50 to the point that they will make comment on it. Tonal range is for mugs.
The difference between pre and post smartphone cameras is the number of people taking photographs. Two or three years ago, the number topped 1tn in one year (estimated). I think the majority of those using smartphone cameras would not have had even a decent compact camera before, so perhaps the number of committed photographers hasn’t dropped much. I’ve no idea.
I was moving away from still images and into video, at least I was in 2019. My mirrorless was quite capable of producing a video frame that could be used online, where the majority of my images are used. I was really getting into video editing. I’d more or less decided to take my compact with me to shows, etc, and use it for stills alongside my mirrorless, and, if it worked, I was thinking of replacing the compact with a higher quality model.
I can’t see me ever being able to justify buying a replacement for my mirrorless. I peruse what’s available on occasion, but the extra cost could go towards all sorts of equipment or even software.
Affinity 2.0 will come out soon, probably later this year, so I'll spend a bit on that.
I was moving away from still images and into video, at least I was in 2019. My mirrorless was quite capable of producing a video frame that could be used online, where the majority of my images are used. I was really getting into video editing. I’d more or less decided to take my compact with me to shows, etc, and use it for stills alongside my mirrorless, and, if it worked, I was thinking of replacing the compact with a higher quality model.
I can’t see me ever being able to justify buying a replacement for my mirrorless. I peruse what’s available on occasion, but the extra cost could go towards all sorts of equipment or even software.
Affinity 2.0 will come out soon, probably later this year, so I'll spend a bit on that.
Rogue86 said:
Narcisus said:
Who do so many pictures taken with phones feature really overdone HDR type effects ? Judging by Facebook a lot of people really seem to like them !
I think phone manufacturers do it to deliberately irritate anyone over the age of 50 to the point that they will make comment on it. Tonal range is for mugs.
As much I don't think I will be buying another DSLR its sad to see companies like Nikon seeing double digit drops in profits and shutting down factories.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/3001593019/nikon-q3-...
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/uk/news/nikon-c...
It is good to see Canon seem to have adapted well, managing to increase profit despite drop in sales. Hopefully what ever happens they will keep going.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/7035809882/canon-ann...
https://www.dpreview.com/news/3001593019/nikon-q3-...
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/uk/news/nikon-c...
It is good to see Canon seem to have adapted well, managing to increase profit despite drop in sales. Hopefully what ever happens they will keep going
.https://www.dpreview.com/news/7035809882/canon-ann...
sticks090460 said:
Wait until you try a Canon R5/R6 or Sony A9...............
I think the vagueness of the topic title has muddied the water here somewhat.Will mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras mean the death of DSLRs? Absolutely 100%, probably not too far away from that now. Enthusiasts triggered it but professionals are now moving over at pace too.
Will phone cameras replace interchangeable lens mirrorless cameras? Not a chance, but we may well see some sort of convergence when specialised 'phones' become modules for attaching a lens/grip etc.
Phones are miles ahead on the software/computational photography side of things and none of the major imaging manufacturers have the resources or indeed the will to try and get anywhere near that. Equally Canon, Nikon etc have decades of experience producing glass which Apple, Samsung etc are unlikely to try and compete with.
More likely, we will see Samsung in partnership with Canon (for example) to develop a module camera system. Sony going it alone doing both etc etc.
Either way, there will always be a market for good glass and it's not likely to get significantly smaller in our lifetimes, simple physics dictates that there isn't really a way around that for certain applications.
Edited by ch37 on Monday 15th February 13:31
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