Photography in Britain (and people)

Photography in Britain (and people)

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Bee_Jay

2,599 posts

249 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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To be honest, I don't think there is - apparently if you kind of 'lock' your leg around it (wedge into inside of foot and then ram knee against it) it can get really very steady. Also minimum shutter speed is a function of focal length.

I use a manfrotto carbon-fibre monopod and ball head for our motorsports work, and then I really only use it as a rest in between shots, picking the whole lot up when taking pictures. Only certain situations warrant panning on the monopod - most people I know use them as a rest. When you are there for hours with the 100-400L or bigger on the front of your camera, having it able to rest in a 'ready' position is very handy...

Bee_Jay

2,599 posts

249 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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Mentioned on here before - this makes good reading and I always carry a couple of copies with me in my bag - useful to remind you (and other 'interested parties') of the guidelines...

UK Photographer's rights: www.sirimo.co.uk/ukpr.php

UKbob

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16,277 posts

266 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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Bee_Jay said:
Mentioned on here before - this makes good reading and I always carry a couple of copies with me in my bag - useful to remind you (and other 'interested parties') of the guidelines...

UK Photographer's rights: www.sirimo.co.uk/ukpr.php
I read the doc yesterday, its quite informative.

Miniliz

148 posts

223 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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My photography group were shooting at night in London, by Tower Bridge a few months ago and I was asked to move on by a security guard at St. Catherine's Dock. There's a subtle change in the paving and they were hovering by the edge - the second I stepped over onto their side they could legally ask me to move on. But I could set my tripod up on the edge of the other paving and I was fine. Their reason - if anyone trips up they can sue St Catherine's Dock.

simpo two

85,543 posts

266 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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Miniliz said:
There's a subtle change in the paving and they were hovering by the edge

So you keep them distracted while your mate pops round the back to get the shots...?

UKBob

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16,277 posts

266 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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simpo two said:
Miniliz said:
There's a subtle change in the paving and they were hovering by the edge

So you keep them distracted while your mate pops round the back to get the shots...?
By pretending to trip over, no doubt

Miniliz

148 posts

223 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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There were enough of us - we could have organised something like that

tog

4,545 posts

229 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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simpo two said:
poah said:
the only copyright on a property is the designer. the owner of the house (unless the designer) has no legal right to stop you photography it. places like police stations, MOD land, hospitals etc are the exception.

Add shopping centres. I've directed video a few times in those and the security guards arrive like sharks to blood.


Copyright does not exist in buildings - you can take whatever pictures you want of them, from a public place. They are specifically excluded in the 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act, which is the current copyright law.

Shopping centres are privately owned so the owners can impose whatever conditions of entry they want. With any privately owned property (eg the south bank in London, Trafalgar Square, hospitals, etc) to which the public has access, if you breach the conditions under which access is being permitted (be it by taking photographs, selling ice-cream cones, or whatever) then you become a trespasser. The general rule is that you can take any picture you want if you are in a public place. There are exceptions as to what you can photograph that are covered in the Official Secrets Act (which includes any railway property), court precincts are not permitted under contempt of court legislation, and children obviously are a bit of a dodgy area these days, although I don't think just taking pictures is actually illegal. In addition, no one, including a police officer, has the right to take any film, memory card or equipment from you under any circumstances - it is theft, and possibly an assault, if they force you to hand it over. Remember that basic trespass is a civil offence, only if you refuse to leave when asked does it become aggravated trespass which is a criminal offence.

Property releases are neccessary for certain commercial uses, especially advertising, but you could, for example, take a picture of a pretty cottage from a public place and turn it into postcards, or sell it to a magazine or newspaper for publication, without any releases being needed. Only if an endorsement of a product is implied will you get into trouble (it is a libel basically).

(I do know more or less what I'm talking about, but this is not legal advice obviously)

simpo two

85,543 posts

266 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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Useful info Tog!

tog said:
In addition, no one, including a police officer, has the right to take any film, memory card or equipment from you under any circumstances - it is theft, and possibly an assault, if they force you to hand it over.


Last month a man went to his Tax Office to make sure they got his Return in time, and took a photo of himself handing it in, as proof that they got it. The staff saw the flash and forced him to delete the file on 'security' grounds. How does that stand? (15 points)

UKBob

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16,277 posts

266 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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simpo two said:
Useful info Tog!

tog said:
In addition, no one, including a police officer, has the right to take any film, memory card or equipment from you under any circumstances - it is theft, and possibly an assault, if they force you to hand it over.


Last month a man went to his Tax Office to make sure they got his Return in time, and took a photo of himself handing it in, as proof that they got it. The staff saw the flash and forced him to delete the file on 'security' grounds. How does that stand? (15 points)
I wonder if cameras erase the file, or more likely delete the record of the file (you can retrieve any data which has been deleted, with the right program)

406tm

3,636 posts

254 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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UKBob said:


wonder if cameras erase the file, or more likely delete the record of the file (you can retrieve any data which has been deleted, with the right program)



Don't panic springs to mind. Saved my big white ass many a time

UKBob

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16,277 posts

266 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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406tm said:
UKBob said:


wonder if cameras erase the file, or more likely delete the record of the file (you can retrieve any data which has been deleted, with the right program)



Don't panic springs to mind. Saved my big white ass many a time
By restoring files on the HD, or from a memory card

tog

4,545 posts

229 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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UKBob said:
I wonder if cameras erase the file, or more likely delete the record of the file (you can retrieve any data which has been deleted, with the right program)


My old Canon/Kodak DCS520 (2 megapixels for about £10k - those were the days!) had a great 'restore card' function built in. It meant if you took a picture to which someone objected you could delete it for them, then just go straight back and restore it from the card again, no special software needed. Got me out of several sticky situations

UKBob

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16,277 posts

266 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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tog said:
UKBob said:
I wonder if cameras erase the file, or more likely delete the record of the file (you can retrieve any data which has been deleted, with the right program)


My old Canon/Kodak DCS520 (2 megapixels for about £10k - those were the days!) had a great 'restore card' function built in. It meant if you took a picture to which someone objected you could delete it for them, then just go straight back and restore it from the card again, no special software needed. Got me out of several sticky situations
Nifty feature to have.

What were those sticky situations though, if you dont mind explaining?

406tm

3,636 posts

254 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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UKBob said:
406tm said:
UKBob said:


wonder if cameras erase the file, or more likely delete the record of the file (you can retrieve any data which has been deleted, with the right program)



Don't panic springs to mind. Saved my big white ass many a time
By restoring files on the HD, or from a memory card


Bob

Both. Dont Panic lets you choose the source you want to recover. It's cheap too.

www.digital-cameras.com/accessories/digital-cameras/software/image-recall.html



Dave

406tm

UKBob

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16,277 posts

266 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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406tm said:
Dont Panic lets you choose the source you want to recover. It's cheap too.

www.digital-cameras.com/accessories/digital-cameras/software/image-recall.html

Dave

406tm
Cool, looks good. Im not going to buy it as I dont need it, but if a random stranger decided to email me a cracked version... well, obviously I wouldnt install it

tog

4,545 posts

229 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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UKBob said:
What were those sticky situations though, if you dont mind explaining?


In a previous job I was a photographer for a national press agency and covering court cases was a stock in trade. I spent many a happy day loitering outside both crown and magistrates' courts covering the newsworthy cases, photographing the significant characters in the case as they leave court. Sometimes they would object, sometimes with some force! It was easier to delete and recover pics rather than get into an argument about how I was in fact allowed to take their picture, even if they didn't want me to. Fair game though - if they're in court then it can be reported. It is still a free press in this country, thankfully.

UKBob

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16,277 posts

266 months

Wednesday 15th February 2006
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tog said:
UKBob said:
What were those sticky situations though, if you dont mind explaining?


In a previous job I was a photographer for a national press agency and covering court cases was a stock in trade. I spent many a happy day loitering outside both crown and magistrates' courts covering the newsworthy cases, photographing the significant characters in the case as they leave court. Sometimes they would object, sometimes with some force! It was easier to delete and recover pics rather than get into an argument about how I was in fact allowed to take their picture, even if they didn't want me to. Fair game though - if they're in court then it can be reported. It is still a free press in this country, thankfully.
Sounds like a handy feature to have for the PJ!