Damn, pranged the 17-55
Discussion
A 28-70 for £300 is an amazing bargain - I paid £1200 for mine (albeit a UK model and brand new). I'd venture to suggest it went for much higher if it had 3 days still to go though.
I lust terribly after a D700 to go with my 28-70 as I think I'll then finally be able to stop wishing I started out with Canon instead of Nikon. But at £1700 I'm not quite able to pull the trigger...
I lust terribly after a D700 to go with my 28-70 as I think I'll then finally be able to stop wishing I started out with Canon instead of Nikon. But at £1700 I'm not quite able to pull the trigger...
The 24-85 f3.5-4.5 AF-S may not look pro and chunky but Thom Hogan rates it and he generally knows what's what:
http://www.bythom.com/2485lens.htm
'Compared to the older 24-85mm f/2.8-4, the newer AF-S lens simply is in another (higher) class. On a full-frame body, you can see light falloff and loss of sharpness in the corners, but not nearly as much as I would have expected, considering the price. Optically, on a digital body this lens is excellent, while on a full frame body it still rates very good.'
I'm not overly worried about cost but this lens is smaller than the 24-70 f2.8 (ie it will fit in my bag!) and has a longer range. The trade off is aperture but with a D700 hairy-arse sensor behind it, cranking up ISO isn't a problem.
Thoughts anyone?
http://www.bythom.com/2485lens.htm
'Compared to the older 24-85mm f/2.8-4, the newer AF-S lens simply is in another (higher) class. On a full-frame body, you can see light falloff and loss of sharpness in the corners, but not nearly as much as I would have expected, considering the price. Optically, on a digital body this lens is excellent, while on a full frame body it still rates very good.'
I'm not overly worried about cost but this lens is smaller than the 24-70 f2.8 (ie it will fit in my bag!) and has a longer range. The trade off is aperture but with a D700 hairy-arse sensor behind it, cranking up ISO isn't a problem.
Thoughts anyone?
Edited by Simpo Two on Friday 8th August 19:36
CVP said:
That's the one both Mrs CVP and I use as our standard everyday zoom.
Focus is fast, good zoom range, generally very sharp. Slight issue with mine with a bit of barrel distortion at 24mm end. Otherwise all is good.s
Good news - but they're completely unavailable, even s/h on eBay! All the 24-85s out there are the f2.8-4 version which isn't AF-S and looks a generation older.Focus is fast, good zoom range, generally very sharp. Slight issue with mine with a bit of barrel distortion at 24mm end. Otherwise all is good.s
Why Nikon, why?
Try Grays of Westminster. Not cheap but if it's available they normally have stock and their delievry is next day.
Just looked, they have 3 secondhand in stock from GBP 225 for mint boxed with hood to 175 for Exc ++. With them Mint will basically mean it's been out of the box once.
020 7828 4925 (worrying that I remembered that off the top of my head (but I have cheked it's right )
HTH
Chris
Just looked, they have 3 secondhand in stock from GBP 225 for mint boxed with hood to 175 for Exc ++. With them Mint will basically mean it's been out of the box once.
020 7828 4925 (worrying that I remembered that off the top of my head (but I have cheked it's right )
HTH
Chris
Simpo Two said:
The 24-85 f3.5-4.5 AF-S may not look pro and chunky but Thom Hogan rates it and he generally knows what's what:
http://www.bythom.com/2485lens.htm
'Compared to the older 24-85mm f/2.8-4, the newer AF-S lens simply is in another (higher) class. On a full-frame body, you can see light falloff and loss of sharpness in the corners, but not nearly as much as I would have expected, considering the price. Optically, on a digital body this lens is excellent, while on a full frame body it still rates very good.'
I'm not overly worried about cost but this lens is smaller than the 24-70 f2.8 (ie it will fit in my bag!) and has a longer range. The trade off is aperture but with a D700 hairy-arse sensor behind it, cranking up ISO isn't a problem.
Thoughts anyone?
Seems I've had my wires crossed a little: the f3.5 is the lense I have. Its superb IMHO; really sharp unless wide the only downside is the poor build quality.....the f2.8 24-70 may be 20% better but for %300 the cost - always the way with lenses sadly. I got mine for less than £200 through a camera exchange website which quickly disappeared, ebay is your friend!http://www.bythom.com/2485lens.htm
'Compared to the older 24-85mm f/2.8-4, the newer AF-S lens simply is in another (higher) class. On a full-frame body, you can see light falloff and loss of sharpness in the corners, but not nearly as much as I would have expected, considering the price. Optically, on a digital body this lens is excellent, while on a full frame body it still rates very good.'
I'm not overly worried about cost but this lens is smaller than the 24-70 f2.8 (ie it will fit in my bag!) and has a longer range. The trade off is aperture but with a D700 hairy-arse sensor behind it, cranking up ISO isn't a problem.
Thoughts anyone?
Edited by Simpo Two on Friday 8th August 19:36
I was trying out the D700 with a number of lenses at a wedding today - it was happily focusing even through a Sigma 10-20 DX (f5.6)
As my 17-55 is in hospital I was also trying my old 18-70 on the D200 and I must say the extra reach was noticeable, very handy for quick framing. So my current thought is to get the same 24-84 (f3.5-4.5) as Trackdemon, s/h from Grays. I think I'm going to sacrifice a little aperture for convenience and range.
It's interesting but I find the D700 makes you lazy. No longer the struggle with bounce flash, f2.8 and borderline ISO/noise - just try it with ambient light and pop the flash if you want. However the AutoWB is way too warm and even setting K manually doesn't seem to make much difference. The files just look totally different, it's very odd.
As my 17-55 is in hospital I was also trying my old 18-70 on the D200 and I must say the extra reach was noticeable, very handy for quick framing. So my current thought is to get the same 24-84 (f3.5-4.5) as Trackdemon, s/h from Grays. I think I'm going to sacrifice a little aperture for convenience and range.
It's interesting but I find the D700 makes you lazy. No longer the struggle with bounce flash, f2.8 and borderline ISO/noise - just try it with ambient light and pop the flash if you want. However the AutoWB is way too warm and even setting K manually doesn't seem to make much difference. The files just look totally different, it's very odd.
Simpo Two said:
The 24-85 f3.5-4.5 AF-S may not look pro and chunky but Thom Hogan rates it and he generally knows what's what:
http://www.bythom.com/2485lens.htm
'Compared to the older 24-85mm f/2.8-4, the newer AF-S lens simply is in another (higher) class. On a full-frame body, you can see light falloff and loss of sharpness in the corners, but not nearly as much as I would have expected, considering the price. Optically, on a digital body this lens is excellent, while on a full frame body it still rates very good.'
I'm not overly worried about cost but this lens is smaller than the 24-70 f2.8 (ie it will fit in my bag!) and has a longer range. The trade off is aperture but with a D700 hairy-arse sensor behind it, cranking up ISO isn't a problem.
Thoughts anyone?
I have 28-70/2.8 that I bought second hand, it is a monster size wise but I'm also reveling in the nice short DOF's that full frame gives, so the 2.8 helps in that respect . . . that may not be important to you, but the size is definately an issue . . . but if you are used to the 17-55 . . . it' not much larger . . .http://www.bythom.com/2485lens.htm
'Compared to the older 24-85mm f/2.8-4, the newer AF-S lens simply is in another (higher) class. On a full-frame body, you can see light falloff and loss of sharpness in the corners, but not nearly as much as I would have expected, considering the price. Optically, on a digital body this lens is excellent, while on a full frame body it still rates very good.'
I'm not overly worried about cost but this lens is smaller than the 24-70 f2.8 (ie it will fit in my bag!) and has a longer range. The trade off is aperture but with a D700 hairy-arse sensor behind it, cranking up ISO isn't a problem.
Thoughts anyone?
Edited by Simpo Two on Friday 8th August 19:36
Fd
CVP said:
Just looked, they have 3 secondhand in stock from GBP 225 for mint boxed with hood to 175 for Exc ++. With them Mint will basically mean it's been out of the box once.
Bagged, thanks I'll you something, this FX lark is bloody expensive - not just the area of lens coverage, but the fact that all your other lenses are now 'wrong' and only have 2/3 of the range... added to that the bill from Fixation and it's been a scary month
Simpo Two said:
CVP said:
Just looked, they have 3 secondhand in stock from GBP 225 for mint boxed with hood to 175 for Exc ++. With them Mint will basically mean it's been out of the box once.
Bagged, thanks Fortunately when I went digital I still kept most of my old Nikkors so the change to fx has not impacted me too much apart from the 12-24 which I now use very little, it's mrs CVPs wide angle now
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