EOS 300D - good idea?

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nighthawk

1,757 posts

245 months

Saturday 10th April 2004
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Well stick a 550 on top of it and voila! problem solved, no pop up flash action.

if you use any of the manual modes on either the 10d or the 300D the flash doesn't pop up unless you release it manually, and i'm sure the camera disables the auto pop up when it dtects it has an external unit on board.

the 10D will not disapoint, mind you, my 300 hasn't disapointed me either

murph7355

37,804 posts

257 months

Saturday 10th April 2004
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Nighthawk is correct in all he says.

Now, if that still doesn't continue, I have a solution - I'll sell you the 10D of your dreams for 2k. You'll never know there was a pop up flash in there at all. Just don't take it out in the wet or the electrician's tape might peel....

Have a play with the 10D. You will not be disappointed. Then buy Nighthawk and I a beer with all the money you saved.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

248 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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V6GTO said:
EOS1D it is then!



Well I would be cautious on this one mate.

An EOS Id mkII will not take better pictures than a 10d, or even a Nikon D70. The extra cost goes into features a professional will need such as weatherproofing, and more esoteric features that the average amateur will never use.

And the difference between a EOS 1d mkII and a Eos 300d is the cost of two weeks for 2 people in the caribbean...

Considering that 90% of the time you will not be able to tell the difference between the pictures, this is a lot to pay.

I went through the same thought process when spending thousands on my Nikon D2h. I can only really justify the Nikon because I love photography ( and have got pretty good at understanding the finer points of whats going on ) . More to the point, I like to shoot wildlife and sports and the Nikon is about the fastest operating camera available. But I had to pay thousands to be able to shoot at 8fps rather than 2 or 3 fps for a cheaper camera - even though the pictures won't look much different.

Nice choices to have though !

V6GTO

11,579 posts

243 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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Nighthawk,Murph & Topstuff.

I hear all you say, and do'nt get me wrong coz you're talking common sense, but I just ca'nt help thinking I'd be happier with the 1D or even it's £6 grand big brother. I used to have a pair of T90's and sold lots of stuff. When I decided to go autofocus just a few years ago I could have bought anything from a an EOS 500 to an EOS 1V. What did I choose and why I hear you asking. I ended up buying a second hand EOS 1n with battery/grip, thinking it was a good compromise between value for money, practicality and (I must admit) snob value. You ca'nt beat walking around the pits with this camera and a chuffing big white lens!
So what will I get this time? Mmmmm...Because this time I do'nt have to worry about the cost then a 1D or a D1s and the expense. I think a 550 Speedlight is also on the cards.
I ca'nt thank you guys enough for your input, and would dearly love to meet you all one day soon.
Kind regards, Martin.

PS - are any of you going to Le Mans?...I am.

>> Edited by V6GTO on Sunday 11th April 18:35

ehasler

8,566 posts

284 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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Martin,

You're in a nice position, and if I wasn't saving up for a house then I'd be right behind you in the queue at the Canon store!

I've got a Canon EOS 30, along with a selection of lenses (some "L" series), and intend to upgrade to one of their DSLRs once I've got more spare cash to play with, so have done a fair amount of reading up on these bodies.

Basically, if you're talking money no object, then you've got either the 1D MK II (£3000) or the 1DS (£4700).

The main differences are (off the top of my head):

1) Speed - the 1D MK II is quicker (8 fps)

2) Image size - the 1DS is better - 11 MP compared to 8, although both cameras will give awesome image quality. The greater resolution would only be an issue if you're intending on producing larger prints, in which case you'll want the extra pixels of the 1DS. I'm not sure what size this will start to be an issue, but it's pretty easy to work out given the output resolution and the image size in pixels.

3) Image sensor size - the 1DS is full-frame (i.e., the same size as a 35mm film image), while the 1D MK II is smaller, and has a 1.3 crop factor, which means that the images will appear 1.3 times bigger (although what actually happens is that part of the image is cropped).

If you're mainly interested in shooting at telephoto distances (e.g., with 300mm+ lenses), then you may be better off with the 1D Mk II due to the crop factor (300mm lens will seem to be 390mm). On the other hand, if you shoot landscapes, or other images which require wide angle lenses, then go for the 1Ds, as your 17mm lens will act like an 22mm lens on the 1D Mk II.

The 1D Mk II is a brand new camera, so is slightly more advanced than the 1Ds. If you don't need the full-frame sensor of the 1Ds, I'd go for one of these myself.

Alternatively, there are rumours that Canon will be releasing a 1Ds Mk II later on this year...

Warning! One final thing to consider is that these cameras give such good image quality that they can show up any deficiencies in your lens collection. This may result in you spending a small fortune on decent "L" series lenses!

Check out www.luminous-landscape.com for reviews and articles on both bodies, and other Canon gear. It's a very useful site, so well worth visiting.

nighthawk

1,757 posts

245 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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No problems, I wish you well with what ever purchase you make, but please make sure you post some examples on here

I'd love to have a 10D or higher, but for the time being, my 300D runs rings round my abilties.

I've been out at Chester zoo today and my trusty 300D fitted with it's battery grip and 75-300IS has done some great stuff.

As for Le Mans, I wish......hoping to get to pistonfest though

murph7355

37,804 posts

257 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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Good luck from me too.

Any one of these is a top camera, so there'll be no place to hide and we expect to see some good shots soon

As for Le Mans, I doubt it. I will be out and about in Europe soon though,

srider

709 posts

283 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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V6GTO said:
Nighthawk,Murph & Topstuff.

I hear all you say, and do'nt get me wrong coz you're talking common sense, but I just ca'nt help thinking I'd be happier with the 1D or even it's £6 grand big brother. I used to have a pair of T90's and sold lots of stuff. When I decided to go autofocus just a few years ago I could have bought anything from a an EOS 500 to an EOS 1V. What did I choose and why I hear you asking. I ended up buying a second hand EOS 1n with battery/grip, thinking it was a good compromise between value for money, practicality and (I must admit) snob value. You ca'nt beat walking around the pits with this camera and a chuffing big white lens!
So what will I get this time? Mmmmm...Because this time I do'nt have to worry about the cost then a 1D or a D1s and the expense. I think a 550 Speedlight is also on the cards.
I ca'nt thank you guys enough for your input, and would dearly love to meet you all one day soon.
Kind regards, Martin.

PS - are any of you going to Le Mans?...I am.

>> Edited by V6GTO on Sunday 11th April 18:35


There's a crucial question no-one has asked. What do you want to shoot? If it's slow moving stuff, people, animals, landscapes etc, I'd go with a 10D, and spend the difference on a nice 24-70L.

However, if you want to shoot motorsports, or anything else which requires quick autofocus and reaction time, go with a 1D. it's a specalist tool as others have mentioned, and the difference between it and a 10D in this environment is staggering. It's a natural choice from a 1n.

As an example, I took this at thruxton today :



I wasn't prepared for it, heard the screech of tyres, pointed the camera in the rough direction and mashed the shutter. The stunning AF and 8fps got me the shot.

V6GTO

11,579 posts

243 months

Monday 12th April 2004
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Strider, love the Porker photo, I take it you used a 1D(mkI or mkII ?). Which lens did you use?, pretty long I'd guess as it looks like you were standing by the cross over point on the start/finish straight, looking back at the chicane where most of the carnage takes place at Thruxton.
I'll post some stuff as soon as I get the camera (1D mkII looking favorite at the minute) but I do'nt get my insurance money for a few weeks yet so patience is needed (for me, not for you).

srider

709 posts

283 months

Monday 12th April 2004
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V6GTO said:
Strider, love the Porker photo, I take it you used a 1D(mkI or mkII ?). Which lens did you use?, pretty long I'd guess as it looks like you were standing by the cross over point on the start/finish straight, looking back at the chicane where most of the carnage takes place at Thruxton.
I'll post some stuff as soon as I get the camera (1D mkII looking favorite at the minute) but I do'nt get my insurance money for a few weeks yet so patience is needed (for me, not for you).


Yes, it was a 1D with a 100-400L and 1.4x extender. I was in the spectator area just along from the chicane.

V6GTO

11,579 posts

243 months

Monday 12th April 2004
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Nice lens...I love mine, and the28-135 IS as well.

ehasler

8,566 posts

284 months

Monday 12th April 2004
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V6GTO said:
Nice lens...I love mine, and the28-135 IS as well.

Yep - I think these two lenses are great too!

toppstuff

13,698 posts

248 months

Monday 12th April 2004
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Enjoy the new Canons !

1 D MKII or 1 Ds - that is serious expense with some L class lenses.

I've stuck with Nikon cos I already have the 28-70 ED 2.8 glass , an 85mm 1.4 portrait
lense and a couple of old but lovely Nikkor wideangles..

The D2h body was pricey - but man the Eos 1ds is major piece of kit !!

Enjoy !! And post your thoughts when you get it...