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njw

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106 posts

266 months

Sunday 12th May 2002
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Will be having a new s/s sports exhaust from Hayward and Scott fitted to my to S3C on Wednesday. To save future agg, I am thinking about have the Cats removed at the same time. What I need to know is this...
Will their removal effect the ECU set up. I have had mixed input although two chaps who had their's removed stated that their cars were fine and required no re-tuning etc. I would agree, particularly bearing in mind that the Lamber sensors are situated before the Cats. Does anyone know for sure? (The car is a 92 so can have the Cats removed)

markbigears

2,274 posts

270 months

Monday 13th May 2002
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sorry i cant answer your questions, but can you tell me how much you paid for your exhaust and do they do various types for the S3C, sports, supersports etc.
thanks, mark

njw

Original Poster:

106 posts

266 months

Monday 13th May 2002
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I visited Hayward & Scott after seeing their name mentioned a number of times in car mags including our own Sprint. When I got there, my eyes popped out of my head. There was an original GT40, Morgan, Astons, E-Types to name but a few. I thought that if Hayward & Scott exhausts were good enough for them, they were good enough for me! Their work shops are vast and the exhaust sustems quite literally works of art.
He took a look at the rattly exhaust under my car and pointed out hairline cracks that even the MOT didn't pick up. This guy new his stuff!I asked how much and he said around £375 + VAT fitted (stainless sports exhaust). As they build to order, you can explain what you want, ie ficking loud! I am also looking to get the Cats removed at the same time. The only minus point is that there is approx a 2 month waiting list.
Anyway, I will let you know how it goes.

M@H

11,296 posts

273 months

Monday 13th May 2002
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Blimey £375 ..FITTED !!! where do I sign..

LeeBee

773 posts

285 months

Monday 13th May 2002
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So that's £440 total (inc vat) makes mine seem cheap

Cheers

LeeBee

GingaNinga

390 posts

278 months

Monday 13th May 2002
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I had a 1990 S3c and bought a SS sports exhaust from Wedge Automotive (years ago now though) and because of the age of the car I didn't need to keep the cats, to be honest I removed them because the car wasn't running too well and was much better afterwards. I was told to leave the Lamda (sp?) Sensors off, but I have no idea why (other than at my next service they put them back on the car was awful - so back off again).

njw

Original Poster:

106 posts

266 months

Monday 13th May 2002
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If the car was running poorly before removal of the Cats and improved when the sensors were taken off, do you think that the sensors may have been faulty? I am trying to determine whether removal of the Cats will have any effect on the sensors. I think I know what I mean

M@H

11,296 posts

273 months

Tuesday 14th May 2002
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So that's £440 total (inc vat) makes mine seem cheap

Cheers

LeeBee




D'oh... Oh alright then I'll do more research next time

JSG

2,238 posts

284 months

Tuesday 14th May 2002
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If the car was running poorly before removal of the Cats and improved when the sensors were taken off, do you think that the sensors may have been faulty? I am trying to determine whether removal of the Cats will have any effect on the sensors. I think I know what I mean


Nick,

I may be one of the people you mention as having discussed this with already if it was after the second V Water meeting.

When I de-catted mine I left the lambda sensors connected and everything ran fine, I had a deeper exhaust note but the decat did not require any remapping.

The lambda sensors take readings from the exhaust gases before the cats and feed the info to the ECU which runs in 'closed loop' mode. If you disconnect the sensors or remove them (ie complete new exhaust and headers) then the car would need to run 'open loop' as per non-cat 2.9s and 2.8s.

Cheers,
JSG.

markbigears

2,274 posts

270 months

Tuesday 14th May 2002
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nick, did you have to leave the car with hayward and scott for them to make the exhaust or was it made from a pattern that they hold? cheers mark

njw

Original Poster:

106 posts

266 months

Tuesday 14th May 2002
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Thanks JSG. I think it was you I spoke to about CAT removal. The new exhaust starts from the down pipes so I shouldn't need to take the sensors off. Did you have the car MOT'd after CAT removal? I'm not thinking about the legality side, just wondered if there was any change in the emmissions.


I will be leaving the car with Hayward & Scott. I wouldn't fancy trying to fit the bugger myself!

JSG

2,238 posts

284 months

Tuesday 14th May 2002
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Did you have the car MOT'd after CAT removal? I'm not thinking about the legality side, just wondered if there was any change in the emmissions.


It was MOT'd after and passed fine - I'd assume the emmissions would be in line with a non cat S3. In fact I seem to remember the guy doing the testing commenting that they weren't that strict on older cars.

markbigears

2,274 posts

270 months

Tuesday 14th May 2002
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nick, i meant did you just buy it or did they have to see the car and take measurements, what i mean is have they made em for a S3C before. mark

markbigears

2,274 posts

270 months

Tuesday 14th May 2002
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hi nick, just spoke to Ian Reeve about your exhaust!
Im gonna go up and see what they do up there.....
he suggested he could make 2 exhausts at the same time but i dont know the spec of the exhaust you are having. So im gonna go up at a later date. cheers mark

njw

Original Poster:

106 posts

266 months

Wednesday 15th May 2002
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Thanks to all for input.

markbigears

2,274 posts

270 months

Friday 17th May 2002
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Nick, saw your car yesterday, looks the same as mine!
paint and interior......sounded very nice and deep that exhaust too. mark

njw

Original Poster:

106 posts

266 months

Friday 17th May 2002
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Can't wait to pick the dream machine up!Grrrrr

Where are you based? We could meet up for a blast. (I live in Upminster).

markbigears

2,274 posts

270 months

Friday 17th May 2002
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over the water in gravesend, but its only half hour away

markbigears

2,274 posts

270 months

Friday 17th May 2002
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over the water in gravesend, but its only half hour away

njw

Original Poster:

106 posts

266 months

Friday 17th May 2002
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Let me know what you decide on re exhaust. You'll have to come to the Mid Essex meet. It's superb. My mobie is
07811 729015