V8S Coming up at Auction
Discussion
Nick Brough said:
...a 1978 MK2 RS2000 it was no Ferrari and never will be. Who would of predicted they would now cost more than some Ferrari's wish I still had it now
After a quick look, this was the most expensive 1978 MK2 RS2000 I could find http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C578493So what sort of Ferrari could I get for less than that?
v8s4me said:
Nick Brough said:
...a 1978 MK2 RS2000 it was no Ferrari and never will be. Who would of predicted they would now cost more than some Ferrari's wish I still had it now
After a quick look, this was the most expensive 1978 MK2 RS2000 I could find http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C578493So what sort of Ferrari could I get for less than that?
Many other marques have followed suit, as an example look at the Ford GT. They have put on over £100k in the last 12 months or so........fact!
I suspect that whilst TVR are seen by some as affordable, in the future they will increase.
To answer your question though, you would probably get a rough Mondial but even they are rising in price.
Italian cars, exotica, were certainly a good place to put your money but as they rise in price the ripple effect will come into play. This is where I think the more rare TVR models may stand a chance if they are ever going to increase significantly.
I didn't buy mine as an investment car as it was bought for sentimental reasons, having had past links with the factory back in the 80's.
That said, still cannot understand why we keep talking the values down.
Was just off to find a link to a mondial in the uk then saw your post mentioning it. Thought I'd post it anyway.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Was only about 5 years ago you could have picke up 308s and 400s for quite a lot less than that price. 400-412s always used to be thought of as ugly, slab sided things but are becoming a lot more graceful with time. I've always quite like the shape of them to be fair. All ferraris seem to be rising significantly recently, gone are the days of £50,000 manual 550s etc.
£15,000 + for a ropey V8S is good news for those already with one and will help to keep the poorer examples on the road. While it may still not bring you a profit restoring one, it does at least make it a more viable option. Same goes for the V6 cars too. How many will have dispapeared as it was cheaper to break the car and buy another instead of a chassis refurb? It should also help keep some of the parts supply company's producing parts for us too, even if they do get more expensive
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Was only about 5 years ago you could have picke up 308s and 400s for quite a lot less than that price. 400-412s always used to be thought of as ugly, slab sided things but are becoming a lot more graceful with time. I've always quite like the shape of them to be fair. All ferraris seem to be rising significantly recently, gone are the days of £50,000 manual 550s etc.
£15,000 + for a ropey V8S is good news for those already with one and will help to keep the poorer examples on the road. While it may still not bring you a profit restoring one, it does at least make it a more viable option. Same goes for the V6 cars too. How many will have dispapeared as it was cheaper to break the car and buy another instead of a chassis refurb? It should also help keep some of the parts supply company's producing parts for us too, even if they do get more expensive
AMDBSTony said:
I didn't buy mine as an investment car as it was bought for sentimental reasons, having had past links with the factory back in the 80's.
Tony,Very good point, I was very lucky to buy a rare (probably only around 13 or so of my model left) pre war car 16 years ago that was not cheap. I bought it not as an investment but since I have owned it it has tripled in value. When people ask me at shows what it is worth I always said "nothing as it's not for sale." I tend not to say that now as I got made redundant and my smart arse comment did not seem so clever any more.
Luckily I managed to hold onto the car and get another job.
Buy because you like it, if it goes up in price it's a bonus for someone at some point.
v8s4me said:
After a quick look, this was the most expensive 1978 MK2 RS2000 I could find http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C578493
So what sort of Ferrari could I get for less than that?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201508206208726?make=ferrari&radius=1500&search-target=usedcars&page=1&onesearchad=used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew&sort=default&quicksearch=true&postcode=wa59qe&logcode=pSo what sort of Ferrari could I get for less than that?
Regards
Nick
Edited by Nick Brough on Tuesday 26th January 10:53
Nick Brough said:
AMDBSTony said:
I didn't buy mine as an investment car as it was bought for sentimental reasons, having had past links with the factory back in the 80's.
Tony,Very good point, I was very lucky to buy a rare (probably only around 13 or so of my model left) pre war car 16 years ago that was not cheap. I bought it not as an investment but since I have owned it it has tripled in value. When people ask me at shows what it is worth I always said "nothing as it's not for sale." I tend not to say that now as I got made redundant and my smart arse comment did not seem so clever any more.
Luckily I managed to hold onto the car and get another job.
Buy because you like it, if it goes up in price it's a bonus for someone at some point.
v8s4me said:
After a quick look, this was the most expensive 1978 MK2 RS2000 I could find http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C578493
So what sort of Ferrari could I get for less than that?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201508206208726?make=ferrari&radius=1500&search-target=usedcars&page=1&onesearchad=used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew&sort=default&quicksearch=true&postcode=wa59qe&logcode=pSo what sort of Ferrari could I get for less than that?
Regards
Nick
Hi Nick
Have had a fair bit of luck with cars that could be categorised as 'investment' models.
We bought a 2005 FGT so speak from an informed manner re these. Also we have a few other cars that have risen significantly. If you buy what you like, chances are others will too - for example an absolutely mint V8S!!
Please you managed to keep hold of your car. Like you I tend to say what I think which is not always a smart move
Am having difficulty with the value issue though as its like just seeing something with ambition just wasting away through being held back - not that forums can do this. I remember a few tears ago, there was a V8S at Kerridges that sold for circa £16k, another from S Reid that was £15k, so prices have always been fairly strong for this model.
Simon with TVR 23 helped me as I wanted a car that was as good as his. If you google Mustangshire.com and look at the gallery, you will see my V8S and its restoration history.
Like your garage by the way.......respect
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[footnote]Edited by AMDBSTony on Tuesday 26th January 12:24AMDBSTony said:
Hi Nick
We bought a 2005 FGT so speak from an informed manner re these. Also we have a few other cars that have risen significantly. If you buy what you like, chances are others will too - for example an absolutely mint V8S!!
2005 FGT + an absolutely mint V8S! = We bought a 2005 FGT so speak from an informed manner re these. Also we have a few other cars that have risen significantly. If you buy what you like, chances are others will too - for example an absolutely mint V8S!!
Regards
Nick
Nick Brough said:
AMDBSTony said:
Hi Nick
We bought a 2005 FGT so speak from an informed manner re these. Also we have a few other cars that have risen significantly. If you buy what you like, chances are others will too - for example an absolutely mint V8S!!
2005 FGT + an absolutely mint V8S! = We bought a 2005 FGT so speak from an informed manner re these. Also we have a few other cars that have risen significantly. If you buy what you like, chances are others will too - for example an absolutely mint V8S!!
Regards
Nick
The results for the auction on Saturday have been posted on their site.
The V8 made £13,650.
As said, the S3c that i bought made £10,250.
The Grantura made £19,950 including commission.
The Cerbera made £ 11,812.
All including commission.
The S1 and Tuscan either didn't sell or haven't been paid for yet as no results for those yet.
The V8 made £13,650.
As said, the S3c that i bought made £10,250.
The Grantura made £19,950 including commission.
The Cerbera made £ 11,812.
All including commission.
The S1 and Tuscan either didn't sell or haven't been paid for yet as no results for those yet.
Speed 3 said:
Jeez, nearly spat out my coffee at this:
The Cerb seemed relatively cheap compared to the V8S noting the condition of the latter discussed on here.
I know unbelievable. I didn't hear the cerbera run, but it looked a better car than the V8s. But I know nothing.The Cerb seemed relatively cheap compared to the V8S noting the condition of the latter discussed on here.
I fessed up to my purchase. we just need to get the V8s new owner to do the same and get him/her to spill the beans.
phillpot, back at the time when mk1fan told me "Basic head work can reap rewards. The castings are pretty rough and the ports don't match TVRs manifolds. The inlet manifolds have plenty of scope for opening up too. Philpot cleaned up the casting scars and swapped the cam (iirc) and has a healthy 189bhp"
i sent you a private message about what you have done to your engine, i am assuming you never got it as there seem to be lots of 'issues' with the ph pms. i wonder if you wouldn't mind telling me exactly what you did to get the 189bhp, what exact cam did you put in, what castings did you have to clean up? just the cyl head ports or inlet manifold too? did you just do it yourself with a dremmel and electric hand /pistil drill or send it off to get ported and polished and flowed by a specialist? i would like to know how to get the most bang for my buck out of my motor, limited budget but able to do stuff myself with normal diy-er tools (no workshop or even a garage, have to work on my cars in the street sadly) the more info you can give me of your tuning experiences the better. by the way, picked up lsd today, 3.64:1 7.5" feels nice and tight. gonna be a bloody chore swapping it in though laying in the road under such a low car! cheers
i sent you a private message about what you have done to your engine, i am assuming you never got it as there seem to be lots of 'issues' with the ph pms. i wonder if you wouldn't mind telling me exactly what you did to get the 189bhp, what exact cam did you put in, what castings did you have to clean up? just the cyl head ports or inlet manifold too? did you just do it yourself with a dremmel and electric hand /pistil drill or send it off to get ported and polished and flowed by a specialist? i would like to know how to get the most bang for my buck out of my motor, limited budget but able to do stuff myself with normal diy-er tools (no workshop or even a garage, have to work on my cars in the street sadly) the more info you can give me of your tuning experiences the better. by the way, picked up lsd today, 3.64:1 7.5" feels nice and tight. gonna be a bloody chore swapping it in though laying in the road under such a low car! cheers
phillpot said:
Discs are 278mm, see Joe's recent thread and wiki on bigger discs.
They fit within 15" wheels, might just catch a balance weight or two if they're stuck in the wrong place!
Going 16 or 17 inch is not a particularly popular option on the S, general opinion seems to be the car feels/handles better with a bit of tyre compliance.
They fit within 15" wheels, might just catch a balance weight or two if they're stuck in the wrong place!
Going 16 or 17 inch is not a particularly popular option on the S, general opinion seems to be the car feels/handles better with a bit of tyre compliance.
drak ula said:
i sent you a private message
Nope, never got that?drak ula said:
i wonder if you wouldn't mind telling me exactly what you did to get the 189bhp
Just assembled with with a generous sprinkling of Phillpot magic and care 
... And a Kent Cams "fast road" KBV629270 cam kit.
Heads were by no means fully ported and polished but some of the worst casting lumps and bumps were ground down with a selection of "things" I have accumulated over the years. Inlet valves were profiled to get rid of the hard corners and give a nice narrow seat face.
As you can see I got a grade A in technical drawing, standard valve on left, modified on right
ahhh that's interesting, i had been led to believe a 3 angle valve job was the ultimate, but now that you mention narrowing, it makes sense, like the same way when i removed the choke mech on my 38dgas carb on the essex 3.0, i also removed the choke butterflies and spindle to minimise obstruction. some people go even further and narrow the main throttle spindle too so at wot there is minimum obstruction. thanks, that is helpful. when using that cam is it necessary to change anything else? springs?
any other phillpot magic sectrets you can divulge? i heard you can fit bigger/different injectors too, worth it? throttle bodies? air flow meters? any cheap tricks there?
drak
any other phillpot magic sectrets you can divulge? i heard you can fit bigger/different injectors too, worth it? throttle bodies? air flow meters? any cheap tricks there?
drak
phillpot said:
Just assembled with with a generous sprinkling of Phillpot magic and care
... And a Kent Cams "fast road" KBV629270 cam kit.
Heads were by no means fully ported and polished but some of the worst casting lumps and bumps were ground down with a selection of "things" I have accumulated over the years. Inlet valves were profiled to get rid of the hard corners and give a nice narrow seat face.
As you can see I got a grade A in technical drawing, standard valve on left, modified on right
... And a Kent Cams "fast road" KBV629270 cam kit.
Heads were by no means fully ported and polished but some of the worst casting lumps and bumps were ground down with a selection of "things" I have accumulated over the years. Inlet valves were profiled to get rid of the hard corners and give a nice narrow seat face.
As you can see I got a grade A in technical drawing, standard valve on left, modified on right
WOW, i've never seen anything like that, very interesting! what sort of power are you hoping for/expecting?
it's like a fuel injection version of a big 4 barrel carb like the weber/edelbrock. amazing! but to be honest although i am sure it would run great, it's the going the opposite way from me. i really like the 38dgas on my essex, it had a 40dfav, and i messed and messed and messed with that thing so many times, i had that thing on my kitchen table rebuilding it more than any other carb, for car or bike, and never got it running right throughout out the rev range, either it went like stink at revs but wouldn't idle or would idel and go like stink at the top but with a hiorrible bogging flat sport in the middle, in the end i gave up on it, sold it on ebay, bought a scruffy dgas and rebuilt it and it runs like a dream in any weather with no choke, just a couple of stabs on the accelerator pump and it starts and then just let it warm up a bit and it goes great, no flat spots and really shifts!!!! so if anything i would love to be able to fit a nice carb to my 2.9 cologne in the s and do away with all that ecu, afm, witch craft! nice and simple, no wires or computers! maybe i'm just scared of new technology, i don't want to have to learn how black boxes control fuelling and ignition and maps and all that stuff. took me long enough to learn how a carb works! :-)
it's like a fuel injection version of a big 4 barrel carb like the weber/edelbrock. amazing! but to be honest although i am sure it would run great, it's the going the opposite way from me. i really like the 38dgas on my essex, it had a 40dfav, and i messed and messed and messed with that thing so many times, i had that thing on my kitchen table rebuilding it more than any other carb, for car or bike, and never got it running right throughout out the rev range, either it went like stink at revs but wouldn't idle or would idel and go like stink at the top but with a hiorrible bogging flat sport in the middle, in the end i gave up on it, sold it on ebay, bought a scruffy dgas and rebuilt it and it runs like a dream in any weather with no choke, just a couple of stabs on the accelerator pump and it starts and then just let it warm up a bit and it goes great, no flat spots and really shifts!!!! so if anything i would love to be able to fit a nice carb to my 2.9 cologne in the s and do away with all that ecu, afm, witch craft! nice and simple, no wires or computers! maybe i'm just scared of new technology, i don't want to have to learn how black boxes control fuelling and ignition and maps and all that stuff. took me long enough to learn how a carb works! :-)
Alan Whitaker said:
Hi Drak.
I got rid of the carbs on the Essex and fitted one of these, 4 X 1.75 throttle plates, 8 X 300cc injectors, with all the other mods a lot of BHP
Alan
I got rid of the carbs on the Essex and fitted one of these, 4 X 1.75 throttle plates, 8 X 300cc injectors, with all the other mods a lot of BHP
Alan
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