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Ren Dao

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278 posts

256 months

Thursday 27th March 2003
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Just been informed that the knocking sound on my car is a cracked nearside exhaust manifold and that it will probably need replacing - apparently welds in this area do not last very long!!

Anyone have any idea of how much this will cost?

plewis66

260 posts

257 months

Thursday 27th March 2003
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Ouch.

I have a catalogue for RT Racing. I think its in the region of 400quid plus VAT. Not sure if that's for stainless. Call them on 0114 281 7507.

Don't have the catalogue on me, that's why its a guess.

>> Edited by plewis66 on Thursday 27th March 15:30

shnozz

27,486 posts

272 months

Thursday 27th March 2003
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yeah £400 sounds about right

sorry to hear that Ren. Its part and parcel of TVR ownership that you will get things like this happen from time to time. None of these cars are very young lets face it.

hope you get it sorted soon. £400 isnt a big bill really when you will spend more than this on your average service.

pete_w

646 posts

264 months

Thursday 27th March 2003
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£400 isnt a big bill really when you will spend more than this on your average service.


No matter how you look at it Shnozz it ain't cheap!

shnozz

27,486 posts

272 months

Thursday 27th March 2003
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well I guess £400 is a fair few quid but I have spent £1500 on standard servicing, minor electrical repairs etc over the course of the last 10 months so I guess £400 seems light to me!

Qualia

154 posts

268 months

Thursday 27th March 2003
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A manifold on my S3 got welded about a year ago, and it's been fine since, so it can be done. It probably depends on size and location of the crack, but don't give up too quickly. Even if the repair is only good for a year or so, it means you don't have to part with £400 for now. Worth a try, me thinks.

spivvy

1,534 posts

255 months

Thursday 27th March 2003
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i have a weld on the manifold right on the bend and it is holding fine ,
also just had another holed welded down the exhaust where it had been damaged by speed bumps so welding shouldn't be a problem

Ren Dao

Original Poster:

278 posts

256 months

Thursday 27th March 2003
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I think I will actually go down tomorrow and see the thing for myself. I must say welding seems much better to my bank manager than replacement. Thanks for the info on welding. I suppose problems like this do happen with TVRs but bloody hell in at the deep end or what - it happened on the way home from buying it, talk about a bummer - Ive been off work for two days and been sat on my front step staring at my new drive which is totally TVR'less. I really hope things improve.

shnozz

27,486 posts

272 months

Thursday 27th March 2003
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Ren Dao said: I really hope things improve.


they will mate - chin up

just think of full blown summer time - roof down and loud pedal pressed into the floor cant get much better than that.

plus its far better getting out there with a spanner in a pair of shorts in the sun than thinking your fingers will break off if you catch the torque wrench on them one more time throughout the winter

HarryW

15,151 posts

270 months

Thursday 27th March 2003
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Peninsula do a set of SS manifolds for the V8S at £295 [url]www.peninsulaautomotive.co.uk/upgrades.asp">[/url] Incidentally they're the cheapest ones they do, even cheaper than a set for the S1-3 V6 cars , must be a first, not sure how much for the labour to fit though.

Harry

edited to try and make the link work, twice !!

>> Edited by HarryW on Thursday 27th March 23:39

>> Edited by HarryW on Thursday 27th March 23:41

rustoni

325 posts

273 months

Friday 28th March 2003
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Ren,

As i said in a previous post i had this problem as well and after a couple of reasonable large bills on the car the thought of spending another £300 left a sour taste in my mouth as the finances where a little bit drained so i had it welded and it seems to be holding ok.

Ian

Ren Dao

Original Poster:

278 posts

256 months

Friday 28th March 2003
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quote]HarryW said: Peninsula do a set of SS manifolds for the V8S at £295 [url]www.peninsulaautomotive.co.uk/upgrades.asp">[/url] Incidentally they're the cheapest ones they do, even cheaper than a set for the S1-3 V6 cars , must be a first, not sure how much for the labour to fit though.

Thanks Harry - that seems a reasonable price if the worst comes to the worst.

I must say that when you talk to people on this site the only thing to go on as far as what the person is like is the name. I worked in an office with a guy called Harry. He was about 60 years old and always wore a bow tie and flambouyant suit. He was a true gentleman and spoke most eloquently - so thats the picture I have of you. Please dont shatter the illusion by writing back to tell me you are 23 years old, ride a Harley in your spare time and sleep with a different long legged blonde every night unless of course you have a few spare ones !!

Please no nob jokes Podie

RichardR

2,892 posts

269 months

Friday 28th March 2003
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Qualia said: A manifold on my S3 got welded about a year ago, and it's been fine since, so it can be done. It probably depends on size and location of the crack, but don't give up too quickly. Even if the repair is only good for a year or so, it means you don't have to part with £400 for now. Worth a try, me thinks.
I hope this isn't a really stupid question, but was the welding done with the manifold in place, or did you have to take it out first? Also, while I'm thinking about it, how was the crack found? Is it just a matter of feeling/listening for the escape of gases, or is there a more scientific method?

spivvy

1,534 posts

255 months

Friday 28th March 2003
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not sure about the manifold weld it was on the car when i got it, but they welded the other hole with the exhaust in situ.

you can tell by the noise mainly depending how big the hole is


>> Edited by spivvy on Friday 28th March 10:17

Qualia

154 posts

268 months

Friday 28th March 2003
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RichardR said: I hope this isn't a really stupid question, but was the welding done with the manifold in place, or did you have to take it out first? Also, while I'm thinking about it, how was the crack found? Is it just a matter of feeling/listening for the escape of gases, or is there a more scientific method?



The welding was done with the manifold removed, but I am not sure how the crack was found. It was Noel of V8 Sport and Classics who discovered it during a service. They're based near Edinburgh, so not exactly local to you, but maybe it's worth giving them a call anyway. I haven't got their number on me, but they advertise in Sprint.

Andy

Ren Dao

Original Poster:

278 posts

256 months

Friday 28th March 2003
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I hope this isn't a really stupid question, but was the welding done with the manifold in place, or did you have to take it out first? Also, while I'm thinking about it, how was the crack found? Is it just a matter of feeling/listening for the escape of gases, or is there a more scientific method?




Shane at SFR tells me that usually the manifold has to come off but if you are lucky it can be done in situ. Obviously depends where exactly the hole or crack is. There are varying reports on the effectiveness of welding manifolds. In the bible it suggests that the repairs are pretty effective but I have also heard that the area to the side of the weld becomes a weak point and can crack pretty soon after the surgery. The general concensus is that the welded area is stronger than the manifold itself. I am currently praying that the hole in mine can be done in situ and that it will last for many years to come Hope this helps!! As for finding the hole - if its biggish it will be obvious, if not passing your palm over the manifold (not too close it gets real hot - real quick) may reveal the problem. Can also try passing a long thin shread of paper over the area the compressed air may well blow the paper enough to notice it. This is all theory and I have never done it so its all second hand and hearsay.

roger brown

55 posts

262 months

Friday 28th March 2003
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Maybe try dusting the manifold with talcum powder. With luck the talc will blow away from the hole and show you where it is.

GreenV8S

30,208 posts

285 months

Friday 28th March 2003
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Start with the engine and exhaust stone cold, start the engine and leave it idling, run your hand over the exhaust, if it is blowing you will feel it. You will have a minute or so before the exhaust gets too hot to touch.

PS start from the engine and work forward, the headers heat up quickest.

>> Edited by GreenV8S on Friday 28th March 15:15

RichardR

2,892 posts

269 months

Friday 28th March 2003
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Ren Dao said: I hope this isn't a really stupid question, but was the welding done with the manifold in place, or did you have to take it out first? Also, while I'm thinking about it, how was the crack found? Is it just a matter of feeling/listening for the escape of gases, or is there a more scientific method?




Shane at SFR tells me that usually the manifold has to come off but if you are lucky it can be done in situ. Obviously depends where exactly the hole or crack is. There are varying reports on the effectiveness of welding manifolds. In the bible it suggests that the repairs are pretty effective but I have also heard that the area to the side of the weld becomes a weak point and can crack pretty soon after the surgery. The general concensus is that the welded area is stronger than the manifold itself. I am currently praying that the hole in mine can be done in situ and that it will last for many years to come Hope this helps!! As for finding the hole - if its biggish it will be obvious, if not passing your palm over the manifold (not too close it gets real hot - real quick) may reveal the problem. Can also try passing a long thin shread of paper over the area the compressed air may well blow the paper enough to notice it. This is all theory and I have never done it so its all second hand and hearsay.

Thanks, that's useful to know. Fingers crossed that your repair's straightforward.

>> Edited by RichardR on Friday 28th March 23:39

RichardR

2,892 posts

269 months

Friday 28th March 2003
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roger brown said: Maybe try dusting the manifold with talcum powder. With luck the talc will blow away from the hole and show you where it is.
And even if you don't find the leak, at least you'll have a pleasantly scented manifold.