Croft track day 19th September

Croft track day 19th September

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dexy

373 posts

255 months

Tuesday 27th July 2004
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ok youve persuaded me bob ill come in another tvr me grantura just strenthing the chassis for the 4.7 lump of engine that will go in wonder if i can get it on the road in time
it gonna be interesting to see what she does.
neil
ps bob ive settled for a griff for me next tvr.

tvrbob

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11,172 posts

256 months

Tuesday 27th July 2004
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dexy said:
bob ive settled for a griff for me next tvr.
There's a rather interesting 5.2 ltr Griff in PH Classifieds. Or perhaps you'll be looking for a pre-cat to compete with byff.

wedg1e

26,805 posts

266 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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Could be up for this.... I think the tax expires on the 390 at end of Sept so it could be a last fling for the old girl.
On t'other hand I might take the Esprit for a thrape (if I've fixed the oil leaks and changed the timing belt by then!).
I have an aging bike lid that I got away with last time at Croft, will they be looking that closely?

Warning: may exit track sideways at some point...

Ian

tvrbob

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11,172 posts

256 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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wedg1e said:
I have an aging bike lid that I got away with last time at Croft, will they be looking that closely?
They do specify a standard but I've never known them check. In the end there's helmets to hire there for £5
wedg1e said:

Warning: may exit track sideways at some point...
Me too and probably more than once on current form

gemini

11,352 posts

265 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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wedg1e said:

I have an aging bike lid that I got away with last time at Croft, will they be looking that closely?

Warning: may exit track sideways at some point...

Ian



This rule bending and over exuberant driving wil have to stop some time Ian

tvrbob

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11,172 posts

256 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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Well folks we get a 10% discount but I have learned that all MSA registered tracks are now required to maintain separation between novice, intermediate and skilled drivers on track days. Implication is that there will be no open pit lane option. Some MSA tracks have not made this change yet but all are required to before next year, Croft has made the change early. I discussed this at length with Claire and she suggests we take an exclusive session, that way the track will ours for 6 x 20min slots. Problem is 10 or 12 cars will not be enough, a session is 25 cars. If we can get more takers then Claire will probably agree to an exclusive group at 20+ cars.

Another thought would be to ensure we split ourselves up between the groups, novice, intermediate and skilled. That way when, for example, an intermediate driver is stuck in the pit lane (s)he can be a passenger with a skilled or novice driver. It'll not be perfect because the majority of us are likely to be classed as intermediate but it's worth thinking about.

More people please!!!

hobo

5,764 posts

247 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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So how do you know whether you are a novice, intermediate or skilled driver ?

Surely its one of those things that you are either good at or not.

Personally I have been on the track only twice before, but saying that I have only been go-karting 2 or 3 times before, but on all these occasions have wiped the floor with most people who do it regularly.


tvrbob

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11,172 posts

256 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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hobo said:
So how do you know whether you are a novice, intermediate or skilled driver ?
Croft do a very simple selection process.

Q - Have you done a track day before?

A - No = novice
A - Yes = next Q

Q - How was it?

A - Scary = novice
A - Great fun = next Q
A – Loads of them = skilled

Q - Have you raced professionally?

A - No = intermediate
A - Yes = skilled

You get the drift!

They then watch and move people from group to group if they appear to be wrongly classed.

hobo

5,764 posts

247 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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tvrbob said:

hobo said:
So how do you know whether you are a novice, intermediate or skilled driver ?

Croft do a very simple selection process.

Q - Have you done a track day before?

A - No = novice
A - Yes = next Q

Q - How was it?

A - Scary = novice
A - Great fun = next Q
A – Loads of them = skilled

Q - Have you raced professionally?

A - No = intermediate
A - Yes = skilled

You get the drift!

They then watch and move people from group to group if they appear to be wrongly classed.


Ah...

In that case I fall into the intermediate class.

Just wondered.

p.s. count me in whatever happens, i.e open pit lane or not

3rtt

943 posts

253 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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Bob, please count me in either way.

I am happy to help Novice / Intermediate drivers and take passenger rides in expert group.

I'm sure there will be plenty of track time and fun for everyone.

Cheers,
Ian.

daydreamer

1,409 posts

258 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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Does sound like there is a little more thinking to be done here. For example, anyone can go out and buy a Radical and lap faster than a pro in a 1l mini.

Sessioning usually serves two purposes, to protect the novices, but also to try and equalise the lap times in a session a bit to reduce the need for overtaking.

Still - rules is rules, so sessioned it is

tvrbob

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11,172 posts

256 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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My very first ever track day was at Croft and they put me with the inters' because my car was too fast for the novice group. I agree this is more about lap times and reducing the need for overtaking.

wendyg

2,071 posts

244 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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If I'm the only true novice, does that mean I get the entire track to myself at the start?!

tvrbob

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11,172 posts

256 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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I'm sorry Wendy but you're not getting the track to yourself. There's alway novices there.

Byff

4,427 posts

262 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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I'll be a novice at the start of the day

stardust

138 posts

249 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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Once round Croft does not an expert make....so I want to be a novice too. Didn't get away with it last time coz of the car so I had to go with the intermediates. It wasn't too bad though, I was a moving chicane for the first couple of laps and then I worked out how to drive fast and change gear!!!

tvrbob

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11,172 posts

256 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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Well stardust you don't know it yet but you're getting a BMiniW Cooper to borrow next Wednesday. Just thought I'd wet your appetite for taking the Mini on the track.

hobo

5,764 posts

247 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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I've got a Mini Cooper at the moment, while to TVR is in for its service.

Its very odd getting back into a normal car after driving the TVR. Feel as if your in a 4x4 you seem to be sitting that high up, and sometimes forget the thing is turned on as you can't hear the engine (or you can hear the stereo).

And worst of all, the petrol gauge doesn't seem to move ?

stardust

138 posts

249 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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Honest!! Can't wait!

docevi1

10,430 posts

249 months

Saturday 31st July 2004
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what date are you booking by? I'm contemplating it again (bar stewards, the lot of ya ) but will know more about money's later on.