Caffeine and machine new venue...
Discussion
slimtater said:
Worryingly there are LOADS of objections on the planning portal :-(
will mostly be grumbling OAPs or anti car people - such a shame.I absolutely hate that planning applications sometimes brings out the worst in people, some people object for the sake of objecting and I do not completely understand why!
RossP said:
I guess the complication is that they are applying for a change of use.
I know when I last looked someone was saying that the change if use was pointless; well obviously not if the previous owners of the pub closed down. Surely this is better than a derelict building?I think they’ll have a job on their hands winning over the locals.
Lichfields are a planning consultancy that I’ve come across; they used to handle all of the planning for a big client of ours.
30th November is the decision date. Will keep an eye on the portal.
Having not been on the portal for a while, there are a s
t load of objections now! Having read through a few, some do raise some relevant points there are lots that are very very tenuous at best (eg farmers no longer being able to cross the road to milk their cows anymore…..).Edited by Court_S on Thursday 3rd November 20:29
Edited by Court_S on Thursday 3rd November 21:34
I agree with Sam that like all planning matters if the objections follow the actual planning guidance it's fine but alot of emotion is conveyed which normally isn't capable of being considered as it veers away from proper planning objections & the planners should disregard what in effect becomes white noise as otherwise the matter can be appealed upon refusal if the planning committee haven't complied with the relevant procedures/policies.
It'll be interesting to see how the planners deal with the traffic based objections given the proliferation of motorbikes in the area who sadly are the greater statistic for noise and safety issues? I'd also suggest the local younger working population might be more inclined to work in what could be a more interesting place than most cafes/restaurants in the vicinity.
I also think the planners may load any possible consent with plenty of conditions but it might take a while for the NIMBYs to be convinced the proposal is to the wider benefit of the area?!
It'll be interesting to see how the planners deal with the traffic based objections given the proliferation of motorbikes in the area who sadly are the greater statistic for noise and safety issues? I'd also suggest the local younger working population might be more inclined to work in what could be a more interesting place than most cafes/restaurants in the vicinity.
I also think the planners may load any possible consent with plenty of conditions but it might take a while for the NIMBYs to be convinced the proposal is to the wider benefit of the area?!
I've softened to the idea a bit lately, it might make a nice change to all the old people with caravans and a nice place to go for a coffee after a run round carsington.
I've also realised I don't mind the loud cars too much, it's the bikes that ruin your afternoon in the garden, must be the tone or something.
I've also realised I don't mind the loud cars too much, it's the bikes that ruin your afternoon in the garden, must be the tone or something.
james6546 said:
I've softened to the idea a bit lately, it might make a nice change to all the old people with caravans and a nice place to go for a coffee after a run round carsington.
I've also realised I don't mind the loud cars too much, it's the bikes that ruin your afternoon in the garden, must be the tone or something.
Having been to the existing C&M most visitors are law abiding & you could say the average pub/restaurant has just as many idiots “giving it the beans” when they leave so the noise point is quite subjective. Having ridden a loud road bike a while back, it’s the smaller engined bikes with sports exhausts that seem to grate most. It’ll be interesting to see how things progress.....I've also realised I don't mind the loud cars too much, it's the bikes that ruin your afternoon in the garden, must be the tone or something.
MrC986 said:
I agree with Sam that like all planning matters if the objections follow the actual planning guidance it's fine but alot of emotion is conveyed which normally isn't capable of being considered as it veers away from proper planning objections & the planners should disregard what in effect becomes white noise as otherwise the matter can be appealed upon refusal if the planning committee haven't complied with the relevant procedures/policies.
It'll be interesting to see how the planners deal with the traffic based objections given the proliferation of motorbikes in the area who sadly are the greater statistic for noise and safety issues? I'd also suggest the local younger working population might be more inclined to work in what could be a more interesting place than most cafes/restaurants in the vicinity.
I also think the planners may load any possible consent with plenty of conditions but it might take a while for the NIMBYs to be convinced the proposal is to the wider benefit of the area?!
I was bored enough to read through the comments; there are three notices of support but the rest are all objections. Some raise some good points re light pollution and potential danger based on current use however lots of the others ones are very emotive and some are just plan bIt'll be interesting to see how the planners deal with the traffic based objections given the proliferation of motorbikes in the area who sadly are the greater statistic for noise and safety issues? I'd also suggest the local younger working population might be more inclined to work in what could be a more interesting place than most cafes/restaurants in the vicinity.
I also think the planners may load any possible consent with plenty of conditions but it might take a while for the NIMBYs to be convinced the proposal is to the wider benefit of the area?!
ks like the bloke claiming to have visited other C&M venues…pretty sure they’re only one. Someone else has been scouring the forums because some comments from here were included in their objection!
It's been there 4 year anniversary this month at C&M.
I am at caffeine and machine tomorrow night to listen to the two owners Phil and Dan doing a questions/answers talk about all the hurdles, set backs and hoops they had to jump through over the last 4 years of the venture.
No doubt there will be a little insight of what's happening with the Carsington venue.
I am at caffeine and machine tomorrow night to listen to the two owners Phil and Dan doing a questions/answers talk about all the hurdles, set backs and hoops they had to jump through over the last 4 years of the venture.
No doubt there will be a little insight of what's happening with the Carsington venue.
So the night gave a very interesting insight of the ups and downs of the caffeine and machine buissnes model.
Regarding the Carsington site, on November the 3rd there was a public meeting in the area. Living there and asking around the village of Hulland ward there seems to be a positive attitude towards the venue.
However there was a few objections from certain people in surrounding villages.
There was concerns about speeding cars coming and going to the venues. One claimed that cars were known to have gone down the Carsington drag at 150 mph. Which is of course complete BS.
Some of the objections were about any potential rowdiness around the venue.
Both Dan and Phil have invited anyone who objected to be guests at the original C&M Ettington site to acualy see how things are ran there.
Dan and Phil was also saying that it would bring jobs to the area, which is clearly true, after all the original C&M employs 100 people. However one of the opposing side suggested that no one would travel from Derby or Ashbourne to work there, which is completely nonsense being that even Derby University is only 15 minutes away.
At the Ettington site when C&M first opened for the first year, the staff would join the local speed watch camera teams to monitor cars coming and going along the main road. I remember at the time that patrons of C&M did not like the idea of Dan and Phil helping the local residents and police to catch speeding drivers. But there was a method in the madness, the vast majority of speeding cars caught were local residents of the area.
C&M have had a 4 year good relationship with both locals and the police at the Ettington site.
So that's what was spoken about on the night at C&M.
It seems that the objections are based on people thinking the Carsington will be a fast and furious meet in sainsburys car park kind of meet. So it's up to C&M to prove its not by using the Ettington venue as an example.
Oh, and we had another exclusive that they have bought another place further down south.
So let's see what happens. No matter what I will always use the Ettington C&M as I have over the last 4 years regardless
Regarding the Carsington site, on November the 3rd there was a public meeting in the area. Living there and asking around the village of Hulland ward there seems to be a positive attitude towards the venue.
However there was a few objections from certain people in surrounding villages.
There was concerns about speeding cars coming and going to the venues. One claimed that cars were known to have gone down the Carsington drag at 150 mph. Which is of course complete BS.
Some of the objections were about any potential rowdiness around the venue.
Both Dan and Phil have invited anyone who objected to be guests at the original C&M Ettington site to acualy see how things are ran there.
Dan and Phil was also saying that it would bring jobs to the area, which is clearly true, after all the original C&M employs 100 people. However one of the opposing side suggested that no one would travel from Derby or Ashbourne to work there, which is completely nonsense being that even Derby University is only 15 minutes away.
At the Ettington site when C&M first opened for the first year, the staff would join the local speed watch camera teams to monitor cars coming and going along the main road. I remember at the time that patrons of C&M did not like the idea of Dan and Phil helping the local residents and police to catch speeding drivers. But there was a method in the madness, the vast majority of speeding cars caught were local residents of the area.
C&M have had a 4 year good relationship with both locals and the police at the Ettington site.
So that's what was spoken about on the night at C&M.
It seems that the objections are based on people thinking the Carsington will be a fast and furious meet in sainsburys car park kind of meet. So it's up to C&M to prove its not by using the Ettington venue as an example.
Oh, and we had another exclusive that they have bought another place further down south.
So let's see what happens. No matter what I will always use the Ettington C&M as I have over the last 4 years regardless
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