A610 dual carrigeway at IKEA, 40mph, why?
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The scummers do sit in the layby's on the section eastbound of Ikea but you can still have fun. If driving west from the M1 towards Ikea then hug the armco as you go under the bridge. This way you'll see them before they can get a line of site on you and you can drop your speed accordingly. I always do a zillion billion leptons along there. If driving eastbound then you are more visible to them so just watch out and stay near other traffic until you've checked out for a van in the laybye.
The good thing is they must have had their budgets pruned because in recent years I've seen a lot less scammer van activity.
The good thing is they must have had their budgets pruned because in recent years I've seen a lot less scammer van activity.
Balmoral Green said:
Boosted LS1 said:
I always do a zillion billion leptons along there.
I was doing far more than that, by way of protest. 
Now I think of it, I also got nicked by an unmarked car on that road....chased me from Kamikaze bridge until the single track at Aldercar!(doh!)Edited by 2 sMoKiN bArReLs on Sunday 24th January 18:32
The reasoning for the bit from the Mway roundabout to Ikea is utterly barking, that bridge is so flipping high that you are dead when you hit the road. The only thing I can think of is that a body is about the size of a reasonable road hump so going over those at 70 is not conducive to keeping in control of the vehicle. Gdunk, gdunk... 
However as per usual instead of sorting the root of the problem, i.e. making the bridge difficult to jump off, they reduce the road limit when someone has already jumped.
Make it like a railway bridge and enclose it or close it completely if it is such a big problem.
I am just waiting for them to completely stuff up the circuit (you know where I mean Simonigrale!), now that would be a pisser!
Trace
However as per usual instead of sorting the root of the problem, i.e. making the bridge difficult to jump off, they reduce the road limit when someone has already jumped.
Make it like a railway bridge and enclose it or close it completely if it is such a big problem.I am just waiting for them to completely stuff up the circuit (you know where I mean Simonigrale!), now that would be a pisser!
Trace
This rubbish emanates from the late Gwynneth Dunwoody's Commons Transport Select Committee, when it looked at speed and speed limits.
New guidelenes for the setting of speed limits emerged from the learned musings of the worthies on this committee, having considered the evidence of the likes of Brunstrom, BRAKE, Roadpeace, Transport 2000, Prof Oliver Carsten (Leeds University, developing GPS speed limiters), SUSTRANS, The Pedestrians' Association, the Ramblers Association, the Council for the Proctection of Rural England, Dave the tramp from outside Westminster....you get the idea.
You can read all the minutes on their website, if your blood pressure can stand it...
This is why rural NSLs are being reduced to 50 all over the place, 40s to 30s and 30s to 20s...
Thank god we have Experts to save us from ourselves...
New guidelenes for the setting of speed limits emerged from the learned musings of the worthies on this committee, having considered the evidence of the likes of Brunstrom, BRAKE, Roadpeace, Transport 2000, Prof Oliver Carsten (Leeds University, developing GPS speed limiters), SUSTRANS, The Pedestrians' Association, the Ramblers Association, the Council for the Proctection of Rural England, Dave the tramp from outside Westminster....you get the idea.
You can read all the minutes on their website, if your blood pressure can stand it...
This is why rural NSLs are being reduced to 50 all over the place, 40s to 30s and 30s to 20s...
Thank god we have Experts to save us from ourselves...
This stretch of the 610 is one of the roads I cover at work. When the limit was introduced we were sent a report with the reasons why, i'll see if I can find it somewhere.
From memory, which is very hazy as i've slept since, it was something to do with the distance you could see ahead not being great enough for a 70 limit with it being unlit and on a bend. It wasn't anything to do with the bridge as far as I can remember (which thankfully nobody's thrown themselves off for a while!)
A lot of the crashes i've been to on that stretch are caused by the low sun in the morning and people rear ending each other as they approach J26!
From memory, which is very hazy as i've slept since, it was something to do with the distance you could see ahead not being great enough for a 70 limit with it being unlit and on a bend. It wasn't anything to do with the bridge as far as I can remember (which thankfully nobody's thrown themselves off for a while!)
A lot of the crashes i've been to on that stretch are caused by the low sun in the morning and people rear ending each other as they approach J26!
^ You're probably correct. The sunlight can effect vision as you come over the hill but you'd expect a competent driver to drive sensibly if he can't see properly. Also, near the bridge the central reservation doesn't have any barriers so a car could cross the carriageway. Why not add a barrier? The daft thing is the reduced limit goes on for ages and you get f
kwits/numptys doing 40 mph in the outside lane because they feel they can do that in either lane. Or they do 40 in the nearside lane and then pull out in front of a car doing 70-100 plus. This is a really nice bit of road that's ben made far more dangerous imo by silly speed limits.
kwits/numptys doing 40 mph in the outside lane because they feel they can do that in either lane. Or they do 40 in the nearside lane and then pull out in front of a car doing 70-100 plus. This is a really nice bit of road that's ben made far more dangerous imo by silly speed limits.Totally agree with you. In the end, i'm sure, it all comes down to the cost of a couple of 40 signs being cheaper than lights and barriers.
The physical road layout, minus the other factors, is safe for far more than 40 as far as i'm concerned.
You'll not get a speeding ticket from me down there!
The physical road layout, minus the other factors, is safe for far more than 40 as far as i'm concerned.
You'll not get a speeding ticket from me down there!
The Tea Boy said:
raceboy said:
Funkateer said:
At least you can overtake on the hatchings as there's broken lines on most of them. Get the odd flash off some numpties doing 30 who don't know that you can actually use those hatched areas!
Hatched or not, I've paid for it all, (twice) I'm using it all. 
thehappyotter said:
This stretch of the 610 is one of the roads I cover at work. When the limit was introduced we were sent a report with the reasons why, i'll see if I can find it somewhere.
From memory, which is very hazy as i've slept since, it was something to do with the distance you could see ahead not being great enough for a 70 limit with it being unlit and on a bend. It wasn't anything to do with the bridge as far as I can remember (which thankfully nobody's thrown themselves off for a while!)
A lot of the crashes i've been to on that stretch are caused by the low sun in the morning and people rear ending each other as they approach J26!
If I recall correctly from 2 letters attempting to reason with the council the reasons were:From memory, which is very hazy as i've slept since, it was something to do with the distance you could see ahead not being great enough for a 70 limit with it being unlit and on a bend. It wasn't anything to do with the bridge as far as I can remember (which thankfully nobody's thrown themselves off for a while!)
A lot of the crashes i've been to on that stretch are caused by the low sun in the morning and people rear ending each other as they approach J26!
- Peak time queues towards the M1 - a less extensive limit reduction nearer J26 eastbound only would do, but 'confusing' according to the council numpties. Also some flashy signs on the approaches when there is actually a queue would help
- Accidents - suicide off bridge, the taxi driver, kids playing 'chicken'. The bridge has had higher railings installed.
- 'Lack of visibility' caused by extending the crash barrier to more of the curvier sections - it's not that bad to warrant a 40/50 limit.
- Imposition of a 'buffer zone' 50 limit from the west of the Ikea junction - totally ridiculous especially on that long straightish bit with a good 3/4 mile line-of-sight.
I also like to keep closish to the limit until I have visually checked that the road overbridge in the cutting hasn't got a van parked on it! Not seen one there yet, mind.
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Edited by Funkateer on Monday 25th January 07:21
Ace-T said:
The reasoning for the bit from the Mway roundabout to Ikea is utterly barking, that bridge is so flipping high that you are dead when you hit the road. The only thing I can think of is that a body is about the size of a reasonable road hump so going over those at 70 is not conducive to keeping in control of the vehicle. Gdunk, gdunk...
However as per usual instead of sorting the root of the problem, i.e. making the bridge difficult to jump off, they reduce the road limit when someone has already jumped. Make it like a railway bridge and enclose it or close it completely if it is such a big problem.
I am just waiting for them to completely stuff up the circuit (you know where I mean Simonigrale!), now that would be a pisser!
Trace
Lets hope not However as per usual instead of sorting the root of the problem, i.e. making the bridge difficult to jump off, they reduce the road limit when someone has already jumped.
Make it like a railway bridge and enclose it or close it completely if it is such a big problem.I am just waiting for them to completely stuff up the circuit (you know where I mean Simonigrale!), now that would be a pisser!
Trace
The Tea Boy said:
thehappyotter said:
You'll not get a speeding ticket from me down there!
could you let us know when your next covering the road? 
Matt
I'll still have to stop you and give you a telling off, I do have a job to do at the end of the day, but on certain stretches a telling off is all my discretion tells me is needed. You need to apply some common sense to these things!
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