AWPR Appeal rejected
Discussion
Jambo85 said:
Unbelievable! Sounds like whatever is needing done is pretty minimal though, in contrast to this which sounds like it could take a long time indeed:
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen...
If they open Stonehaven to Craibstone without Craibstone to Parkhill, the affect on Dyce at rush hour could be interesting. A bit like the current scenario at Parkhill in the mornings, yesterday around 8 there looked to be a fair queue back from the Parkhill exit of the AWPR.
What is "late Autumn"... late November?
Anyway - it is still a fantastic project, and it really is tantalisingly close to being ready.
I believe Stagecoach have a service scheduled to run on the AWPR from November, but I guess that’s easily postponed!https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen...
If they open Stonehaven to Craibstone without Craibstone to Parkhill, the affect on Dyce at rush hour could be interesting. A bit like the current scenario at Parkhill in the mornings, yesterday around 8 there looked to be a fair queue back from the Parkhill exit of the AWPR.
What is "late Autumn"... late November?
Anyway - it is still a fantastic project, and it really is tantalisingly close to being ready.
Heard a decent reason for them not to open the AWPR from Stonehaven up to Dyce - if they open it up to Dyce, those heading north will try using the ring road, get to Dyce, and then try and squeeze onto the A96 through Dyce, Haudigan, airport roundabouts, which are already full.
Still think that the April fool of a 2020 opening I fell for is a possibility...
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/tru...
Still think that the April fool of a 2020 opening I fell for is a possibility...
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/tru...
Agree the Dyce traffic is a concern if they open Craibstone to Stonehaven but if that is the real reason then surely they could open it all bar the Fastlink to Stonehaven...that would still benefit a lot of people. I can help but think it is a legal thing and will take until the Don crossing is complete to sort. Some update with substance from Transport Scotland would be nice.
Goatex said:
Agree the Dyce traffic is a concern if they open Craibstone to Stonehaven but if that is the real reason then surely they could open it all bar the Fastlink to Stonehaven...that would still benefit a lot of people. I can help but think it is a legal thing and will take until the Don crossing is complete to sort. Some update with substance from Transport Scotland would be nice.
Well the promised late autumn (ie: end November) date isn’t going to be met, so, they will need to pop a brave pill and come out with something shortly.
k up.I have a concern about travelling south on the bypass.
As far as i can see, travelling south on the bypass ends in traffic lights before connecting to the A90. Looking at the maps it seems to end with a roundabout north of Stonehaven, you travel under the A90 before being stopped by traffic lights to either join the A90 slip road going south or continue on to Stonehaven.
No filter lane either (again, as far as i can see) so all the traffic will build up on the roundabout before being let on to the A90 in a burst of about 10-20 cars at a time on a fast corner, giving not much options for those in the slow lane.
I sincerely hope that i am wrong, but if not then it will need to get fixed within a year i reckon.
As far as i can see, travelling south on the bypass ends in traffic lights before connecting to the A90. Looking at the maps it seems to end with a roundabout north of Stonehaven, you travel under the A90 before being stopped by traffic lights to either join the A90 slip road going south or continue on to Stonehaven.
No filter lane either (again, as far as i can see) so all the traffic will build up on the roundabout before being let on to the A90 in a burst of about 10-20 cars at a time on a fast corner, giving not much options for those in the slow lane.
I sincerely hope that i am wrong, but if not then it will need to get fixed within a year i reckon.
phoenixz said:
I have a concern about travelling south on the bypass.
As far as i can see, travelling south on the bypass ends in traffic lights before connecting to the A90. Looking at the maps it seems to end with a roundabout north of Stonehaven, you travel under the A90 before being stopped by traffic lights to either join the A90 slip road going south or continue on to Stonehaven.
No filter lane either (again, as far as i can see) so all the traffic will build up on the roundabout before being let on to the A90 in a burst of about 10-20 cars at a time on a fast corner, giving not much options for those in the slow lane.
I sincerely hope that i am wrong, but if not then it will need to get fixed within a year i reckon.
The exits I have seen - Dyce and Kingswells - seem to be a forest of traffic lights.As far as i can see, travelling south on the bypass ends in traffic lights before connecting to the A90. Looking at the maps it seems to end with a roundabout north of Stonehaven, you travel under the A90 before being stopped by traffic lights to either join the A90 slip road going south or continue on to Stonehaven.
No filter lane either (again, as far as i can see) so all the traffic will build up on the roundabout before being let on to the A90 in a burst of about 10-20 cars at a time on a fast corner, giving not much options for those in the slow lane.
I sincerely hope that i am wrong, but if not then it will need to get fixed within a year i reckon.
The airport roundabout lights are a nightmare. Even at 5am on a Sunday morning, you can get stuck at two sets of them trying to head into town on the A92, and there are no other cars in sight. Get through the first set, then stopped for about 30 seconds for the next set (allowing traffic leaving the airport road to join the roundabout).
Its' the same coming out of town on the A96 towards the roundabout - when you leave the lights at Dyce Drive, 90% of the time the lights on the roundabout have just changed to red as you approach.
Surely they could switch off the lights outside peak hours, or make a small change to the timing to minimise the stop/start nature of the current flow of traffic, which can't be good for emissions in a busy area near an airport.
Its' the same coming out of town on the A96 towards the roundabout - when you leave the lights at Dyce Drive, 90% of the time the lights on the roundabout have just changed to red as you approach.
Surely they could switch off the lights outside peak hours, or make a small change to the timing to minimise the stop/start nature of the current flow of traffic, which can't be good for emissions in a busy area near an airport.
phoenixz said:
I have a concern about travelling south on the bypass.
As far as i can see, travelling south on the bypass ends in traffic lights before connecting to the A90. Looking at the maps it seems to end with a roundabout north of Stonehaven, you travel under the A90 before being stopped by traffic lights to either join the A90 slip road going south or continue on to Stonehaven.
No filter lane either (again, as far as i can see) so all the traffic will build up on the roundabout before being let on to the A90 in a burst of about 10-20 cars at a time on a fast corner, giving not much options for those in the slow lane.
I sincerely hope that i am wrong, but if not then it will need to get fixed within a year i reckon.
The sliproad for northbound traffic coming off the existing A90 also cuts across the flow of southbound traffic which seems like an extremely odd design choice. Why they didn't position that slip to join the roundabout on the opposing side is beyond me.As far as i can see, travelling south on the bypass ends in traffic lights before connecting to the A90. Looking at the maps it seems to end with a roundabout north of Stonehaven, you travel under the A90 before being stopped by traffic lights to either join the A90 slip road going south or continue on to Stonehaven.
No filter lane either (again, as far as i can see) so all the traffic will build up on the roundabout before being let on to the A90 in a burst of about 10-20 cars at a time on a fast corner, giving not much options for those in the slow lane.
I sincerely hope that i am wrong, but if not then it will need to get fixed within a year i reckon.
From that photo, there will be very little traffic from Stonehaven and the Netherley road.
So all the traffic heading south will stop the traffic coming off the A90, which will get tail backed onto the A90. Causing accidents...
Genius!
I'm sure it will be ok in the short term, but increase in traffic over the years will make this a nightmare. No future proofing at all.
Don't get me started about the North Deeside road crossing. There is plenty of room for a roundabout which worked perfectly for the short time it was there.
So all the traffic heading south will stop the traffic coming off the A90, which will get tail backed onto the A90. Causing accidents...
Genius!
I'm sure it will be ok in the short term, but increase in traffic over the years will make this a nightmare. No future proofing at all.
Don't get me started about the North Deeside road crossing. There is plenty of room for a roundabout which worked perfectly for the short time it was there.
Isn't that a consequence of using the original sliproad off the northbound A90 to get to the Stonehaven slug road heading inland? It's just that they've stuck a bypass and a roundabout on it...
Does mean that the slug road will hopefully not have as many HGVs on it, which could return it to being fun again!
Does mean that the slug road will hopefully not have as many HGVs on it, which could return it to being fun again!
dxg said:
Does mean that the slug road will hopefully not have as many HGVs on it, which could return it to being fun again!
Absolutely - that’s the thing I’m most looking forward to. There should be hardly any on the ‘country’ roads from Stonehaven right round to Blackdog once it’s open.Malcolm road through to Cairnie is a great drive too when it’s quiet.
Edited by rossub on Monday 15th October 17:53
The roundabout at the airport exit always bothers me. 5am and you get stopped on the roundabout for a few minutes at a red with no traffic anywhere. Surely a couple of sensors in the lights or something could let it flow a bit easier at quiet times or as mentioned above just turn them off.
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