AWPR Appeal rejected
Discussion
dxg said:
Does mean that the slug road will hopefully not have as many HGVs on it, which could return it to being fun again!
Do you mean the Netherly road? The one that comes off the new roundabout? In my experience it is the one that always has heavy traffic and a fair number of HGVs. Never found the Slug that bad for HGV traffic. Both roads can be cracking drives when empty and make a nice wee lap using the South Deeside road when I want a quick spin.Not sticking up for the people building the roads...and i get this is already delayed...however
Does anyone realise late Autumn could be 21st December i.e when Winter starts?
I think its a common misconception and we already think its Winter haha.
Does anyone realise late Autumn could be 21st December i.e when Winter starts?
I think its a common misconception and we already think its Winter haha.
Edited by FlexRay on Monday 22 October 10:00
8bit said:
Semantics 
What annoys me is the lack of communication. Construction projects *always* get delayed, I've never yet seen one run to schedule. The lack of any real explanation or such like is what annoys me.
What annoys me is that large sections of the road are finished yet not available to the public for reasons we are not told about.What annoys me is the lack of communication. Construction projects *always* get delayed, I've never yet seen one run to schedule. The lack of any real explanation or such like is what annoys me.
8bit said:
Helicopter123 said:
What annoys me is that large sections of the road are finished yet not available to the public for reasons we are not told about.
Yeah and there could well be a good reason for that, if there is then I wish they'd just say so.I wrote Transport Scotland an email in July because I was interested in various aspects of the construction. I asked a sarcastic question at the end of the letter about the opening.
I finally got a reply this week. Predictably bland and non-committal:
I finally got a reply this week. Predictably bland and non-committal:
Transport Scotland said:
To answer your final point on the opening date of the road. I can advise that sections of the scheme have already opened to traffic, for example Craibstone and Dyce junctions at Aberdeen Airport and the 7km section of dual carriageway between Blackdog and Parkhill (Goval). More recently the section between Balmedie and Tipperty opened on 15 August 2018.
The remainder of the project is on target to open in late autumn 2018 and covers the 31.5km section from Stonehaven/Charleston to Craibstone and the 7.5km section from Goval to Craibstone. However, as with all complex civil engineering projects of this scale, delivery and completion of certain elements of work are dependent on a variety of factors throughout the project including weather, scheduling of other works and availability of specialist resources for certain tasks. It is therefore not possible to confirm the exact opening date for the remaining sections at this time. Transport Scotland will continue to work with the contractor to ensure that sections of the road can be opened as soon as it is possible, in the safest manner and when the contractor is in a position to do so.
Advance notification will be provided before these sections open and regular updates can be found on the project website at the following link:
https://www.transport.gov.scot/projects/aberdeen-w...
Meanwhile, we appreciate your patience during these final stages.
The remainder of the project is on target to open in late autumn 2018 and covers the 31.5km section from Stonehaven/Charleston to Craibstone and the 7.5km section from Goval to Craibstone. However, as with all complex civil engineering projects of this scale, delivery and completion of certain elements of work are dependent on a variety of factors throughout the project including weather, scheduling of other works and availability of specialist resources for certain tasks. It is therefore not possible to confirm the exact opening date for the remaining sections at this time. Transport Scotland will continue to work with the contractor to ensure that sections of the road can be opened as soon as it is possible, in the safest manner and when the contractor is in a position to do so.
Advance notification will be provided before these sections open and regular updates can be found on the project website at the following link:
https://www.transport.gov.scot/projects/aberdeen-w...
Meanwhile, we appreciate your patience during these final stages.
Jambo85 said:
I wrote Transport Scotland an email in July because I was interested in various aspects of the construction. I asked a sarcastic question at the end of the letter about the opening.
I finally got a reply this week. Predictably bland and non-committal:
I finally got a reply this week. Predictably bland and non-committal:
Transport Scotland said:
To answer your final point on the opening date of the road. I can advise that sections of the scheme have already opened to traffic, for example Craibstone and Dyce junctions at Aberdeen Airport and the 7km section of dual carriageway between Blackdog and Parkhill (Goval). More recently the section between Balmedie and Tipperty opened on 15 August 2018.
The remainder of the project is on target to open in late autumn 2018 and covers the 31.5km section from Stonehaven/Charleston to Craibstone and the 7.5km section from Goval to Craibstone. However, as with all complex civil engineering projects of this scale, delivery and completion of certain elements of work are dependent on a variety of factors throughout the project including weather, scheduling of other works and availability of specialist resources for certain tasks. It is therefore not possible to confirm the exact opening date for the remaining sections at this time. Transport Scotland will continue to work with the contractor to ensure that sections of the road can be opened as soon as it is possible, in the safest manner and when the contractor is in a position to do so.
Advance notification will be provided before these sections open and regular updates can be found on the project website at the following link:
https://www.transport.gov.scot/projects/aberdeen-w...
Meanwhile, we appreciate your patience during these final stages.
have I missed something ? why would transport Scotland quote distances in kilometres?The remainder of the project is on target to open in late autumn 2018 and covers the 31.5km section from Stonehaven/Charleston to Craibstone and the 7.5km section from Goval to Craibstone. However, as with all complex civil engineering projects of this scale, delivery and completion of certain elements of work are dependent on a variety of factors throughout the project including weather, scheduling of other works and availability of specialist resources for certain tasks. It is therefore not possible to confirm the exact opening date for the remaining sections at this time. Transport Scotland will continue to work with the contractor to ensure that sections of the road can be opened as soon as it is possible, in the safest manner and when the contractor is in a position to do so.
Advance notification will be provided before these sections open and regular updates can be found on the project website at the following link:
https://www.transport.gov.scot/projects/aberdeen-w...
Meanwhile, we appreciate your patience during these final stages.
abzmike said:
I flew in over the Don crossing last week, and to my wholly untrained eye, it looks months away from being ready. Seems daft they can’t open the road from the south to Dyce, for the effort of a few temporary signs.
Part of the problem with that is that with all the new signage in place (and there is a lot of this, much more than you'd probably guess) opening that section would mean all northbound traffic would leave the A90 at Stonehaven and make its way happily to Dyce where it would all have to come off the AWPR, through Kirkhill industrial estate, round the end of the runway, past Dyce juniors, onto the A947 and back onto the bypass. And those roads are already unable to cope with their current traffic levels. They simply would grind to a standstill. There would be an argument to open the AWPR southbound from Dyce but there is a fair bit of complexity involved in opening these things that isn't necessarily obvious. Jambo85 said:
In theory the same thing would happen in reverse no?
Potentially yes. But that basically sums up the issue. Opening sections of the road may very well cause more problems than it would solve. I know that one section has been open for a while but it is basically acting as a short link road. These schemes are designed to work in their entirety, not in sections. But the more I think about it, the more I'd agree that opening that section southbound would be almost as bad.PaulD86 said:
Jambo85 said:
In theory the same thing would happen in reverse no?
Potentially yes. But that basically sums up the issue. Opening sections of the road may very well cause more problems than it would solve. I know that one section has been open for a while but it is basically acting as a short link road. These schemes are designed to work in their entirety, not in sections. But the more I think about it, the more I'd agree that opening that section southbound would be almost as bad.I have replied to my new friend at transport Scotland asking directly why the Craibstone to Stonehaven bit isn't open yet. I don't expect a enlightening reply but you never know.
BTW Paul I think we used to work at the same place!
The Evening Express has just made a really amazing news story, one we would never have guessed!
Bridge problems ‘could delay opening of Aberdeen bypass’
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/bri...
Bridge problems ‘could delay opening of Aberdeen bypass’
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/bri...
Thanks for sharing.
ETA: Strange also that neither paper nor anyone else seem to be debating the potential negatives of opening everything except the Don crossing as we have on here.
A Transport Scotland spokesperson said:
Remedial work at the Don needs to be concluded, but in the meantime we have been urging the contractor to conclude their deliberations on the opening of the 31.5km section of new road from Craibstone to Stonehaven and Charleston as soon as possible.
“A proposal is still being discussed within their organisations.
“This is a commercial matter for the contractor"
Intrigued by the last sentence. What could the commercial downside be to opening the road? If someone smart wrote the contracts there would be a financial penalty for not opening something that was ready and potentially an incentive for opening "early". You have to assume they have been paid up front?“A proposal is still being discussed within their organisations.
“This is a commercial matter for the contractor"
ETA: Strange also that neither paper nor anyone else seem to be debating the potential negatives of opening everything except the Don crossing as we have on here.
Edited by Jambo85 on Friday 26th October 13:35
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