Stolen in Aberdeen: BMW 335i - H9WSR
Discussion
messcotti said:
When I lived on Broomhill road, I had drug dealers move in next door to me...I used to sleep with a cricket bat and a chinese meat cleaver next to my bed in the event that one of their "clientelle" decided to come through my door... the way I saw it; Proffessional male in stable relationship v's a drugged up junkie...who will the cops believe? ;-p
We all know the answer to this one...the drugged up junkie!gda_scooby said:
Unfortunately there is a severe lack of consequences for these scrots - they are being labeled as 'joy riders' when they are in fact breaking and entering, stealing goods from within the house, then making off with cars as well.
Just thinking aloud but if the police only charge said scrotes with joy riding in criminal court (or whatever the proper term is - TWOC?), could you take a civil case out against them and pursue them for damages for property damage/burglary/theft etc? Or maybe it doesn't work like that. That said, not sure it would be worth it though as they're not going to pay a fine are they!offshorematt2 said:
gda_scooby said:
Unfortunately there is a severe lack of consequences for these scrots - they are being labeled as 'joy riders' when they are in fact breaking and entering, stealing goods from within the house, then making off with cars as well.
Just thinking aloud but if the police only charge said scrotes with joy riding in criminal court (or whatever the proper term is - TWOC?), could you take a civil case out against them and pursue them for damages for property damage/burglary/theft etc? Or maybe it doesn't work like that. That said, not sure it would be worth it though as they're not going to pay a fine are they!messcotti said:
Kiltie said:
So, you would be prepared to hack limbs off an intruder? ... really? ... would you?
Cheers,
Eric
It was sharp as fCheers,
Eric
k, no need to hack!OK, to be absolutely crystal clear, you can imagine yourself striking an intruder with a very sharp meat cleaver. Is that right?
Please forgive all the questions but it's important I establish what kind of person I'm dealing with here before I continue the conversation.
Cheers,
Eric
Eric,
traditionally, the blunt object sharp object game works like I previously described - the blunt object is used to defend yourself, until the intruder is incapicitated.
Then, if need be, the sharp object is placed in the hands of the intruder, to suggest that there was sufficient justification for you as the homeowner to defend ourself from the sharp object wielding thief.
Personally, if you catch someone breaking into your home they should be fair game.
traditionally, the blunt object sharp object game works like I previously described - the blunt object is used to defend yourself, until the intruder is incapicitated.
Then, if need be, the sharp object is placed in the hands of the intruder, to suggest that there was sufficient justification for you as the homeowner to defend ourself from the sharp object wielding thief.
Personally, if you catch someone breaking into your home they should be fair game.
Gareth,
I still feel the need to establish what "messcotti" thinks about this but, regardless, I'll respond to your point.
See, I work on the basis that if you are not prepared to use a weapon then you shouldn't have it in the first place.
This applies even if your "plan" is to put the weapon in someone's hands after you have beaten them unconscious and before you call the police to tell lies (this bit is a lot of make-believe twaddle by the way ... but I think ... deep down ... you know that ... anyway, I digress ...)
By "prepared", I mean the following.
If a stranger comes in to my house and tells me, in a menacing fashion, that they want one of my cars - I'll happily point them in the direction of the key cupboard.
Thereafter, this person's quality of life will badly deteriorate to the point they will regret having met me ... but that's another matter.
I've surprised myself by wasting time responding to this ... but hey ho.
I previously thought you were quite a sensible chap but all this talk of weapons really is rather foolish.
Cheers,
Eric
I still feel the need to establish what "messcotti" thinks about this but, regardless, I'll respond to your point.
See, I work on the basis that if you are not prepared to use a weapon then you shouldn't have it in the first place.
This applies even if your "plan" is to put the weapon in someone's hands after you have beaten them unconscious and before you call the police to tell lies (this bit is a lot of make-believe twaddle by the way ... but I think ... deep down ... you know that ... anyway, I digress ...)
By "prepared", I mean the following.
- You have thought it through and believe that you can go all the way to a conclusion.
- You know how to use the weapon and / or are trained in its use.
- You have considered all the possible implications and consequences (including those associated with blood borne diseases).
- You have established some contingency measures in the event that things don't go as expected.
If a stranger comes in to my house and tells me, in a menacing fashion, that they want one of my cars - I'll happily point them in the direction of the key cupboard.
Thereafter, this person's quality of life will badly deteriorate to the point they will regret having met me ... but that's another matter.
I've surprised myself by wasting time responding to this ... but hey ho.
I previously thought you were quite a sensible chap but all this talk of weapons really is rather foolish.
Cheers,
Eric
Edited by Kiltie on Friday 30th November 14:59
Eric,
thanks for taking the time to respond in a sensible manner.
Mostly I think that (certainly from my side) talk of defending ourselves is basically willy waggling as I too would probably, in the real world, just give them the keys if we got to the situation that they are standing over (the family) beds.
However this doesnt stop me wishing/thinking tough thoughts as I am lying in bed unable to sleep, after recently being burgled, working through the anger.
thanks for taking the time to respond in a sensible manner.
Mostly I think that (certainly from my side) talk of defending ourselves is basically willy waggling as I too would probably, in the real world, just give them the keys if we got to the situation that they are standing over (the family) beds.
However this doesnt stop me wishing/thinking tough thoughts as I am lying in bed unable to sleep, after recently being burgled, working through the anger.
I suppose only the individual will truly know within themselves whether or not they are capable or willing to defend themselves properly.
I sort of inadvertently found out how good (or bad, depending on your view!) my reactions were when I arrived home one evening to find a guy standing in my hallway behind the door as I entered the flat.
I caught him in my peripheral vision as I opened the door, and my reaction was instant - I slammed the door into him while launching a particularly vicious attack.
Only to discover that "he" was in fact a north face down jacket that I'd hung up on a ledge the previous night to dry, and had forgotten it was there
In my defence it was dark..
I sort of inadvertently found out how good (or bad, depending on your view!) my reactions were when I arrived home one evening to find a guy standing in my hallway behind the door as I entered the flat.
I caught him in my peripheral vision as I opened the door, and my reaction was instant - I slammed the door into him while launching a particularly vicious attack.
Only to discover that "he" was in fact a north face down jacket that I'd hung up on a ledge the previous night to dry, and had forgotten it was there
In my defence it was dark..
Edited by ApexJimi on Friday 30th November 14:20
Edited by ApexJimi on Friday 30th November 16:22
Just a wee word of warning chaps.In my line of work I have to deal with the "nice" types who enter peoples homes in the middle of the night without an invitation.
The first room to be visited is the kitchen due to the impressive collection of knives of various sizes that most proud householders have on display.
Once armed the uninvited guest will go about his task of removing your hard earned possessions.
When I asked one such "nice" individual what he would do if he encountered a large grumpy bloke who wasn't prepared to allow him to continue with his "job",I was informed that he would "stick him".Nothing much scares me anymore,but that comment sent a chill down my spine! These people are not nice and you cannot reason with them.
The first room to be visited is the kitchen due to the impressive collection of knives of various sizes that most proud householders have on display.
Once armed the uninvited guest will go about his task of removing your hard earned possessions.
When I asked one such "nice" individual what he would do if he encountered a large grumpy bloke who wasn't prepared to allow him to continue with his "job",I was informed that he would "stick him".Nothing much scares me anymore,but that comment sent a chill down my spine! These people are not nice and you cannot reason with them.
Off the topic but related to the last few posts; as a student in the nineties, a friend used to live in a ground floor flat near a rather scabby area of Aberdeen. He and his flat mates regularly used to come home to find scrotes in the garden looking in the windows, the shed or on one memorable occasion in the front hall trying to wheel the flat mate's bicycle out (when challenged he claimed he 'had the wrong house'). Suffice to say, they weren't unaware of the risk of burglary. Then one night, one of the lads woke up to find someone in his bedroom with one of their kitchen knives and a torch having a good root about. His screams (quite literally! 
) woke the other house mates and the junkie tried to bolt. However he couldn't get out fast enough and was set upon by the other two lads. The neighbours called the police and when they got there shortly afterwards they walked in through the open front door, followed the noise and found said junkie being restrained on the floor by the two larger flat mates while the third (now thoroughly ashamed of his girly panic) using his lighter to burn the thief's hand in an attempt to make him drop the knife he was still holding. Police's reaction? They stepped into the hall to give everyone a minute to 'compose themselves' before re-entering the room and arresting the junkie for (amongst other things) assault. No mention of the flat mate's assault with a deadly lighter was ever recorded or mentioned. Police can play the game too.
) woke the other house mates and the junkie tried to bolt. However he couldn't get out fast enough and was set upon by the other two lads. The neighbours called the police and when they got there shortly afterwards they walked in through the open front door, followed the noise and found said junkie being restrained on the floor by the two larger flat mates while the third (now thoroughly ashamed of his girly panic) using his lighter to burn the thief's hand in an attempt to make him drop the knife he was still holding. Police's reaction? They stepped into the hall to give everyone a minute to 'compose themselves' before re-entering the room and arresting the junkie for (amongst other things) assault. No mention of the flat mate's assault with a deadly lighter was ever recorded or mentioned. Police can play the game too.Not willy wagging (as would be impossible to do ) but reading Kiltie's posts did get me thinking.
I have a baseball bat that I would say I would "use" to defend myself, however one night some kids came onto my land to have a wee look at my cars at 2am. No damage was done but I stormed out shouting the odds with said bat as they ran away.
However many years ago two teens thought it would be funny to put in one of my windows targeting my motorbike which was under the window. I saw them cross the road with a concrete post and all I was thinking was if that's bounced off my tank it will cost me hundreds to fix. So the red mist came down and I got neighbour to call the police and I gave chase down a single track road in my parents car.
I found them at the bottom of the road attempting to flood a pensioners house with a garden hose. As I arrived with mums car they ran back up the road and my reaction was instant. I hit reverse and opened the drivers door and went for it. The ONLY thing that went though my mind was keeping mums car out of the ditch and I have not actually thought "what if" until now. They ducked into a park and got away as I gave chase on foot screaming nasties.
I suppose the point I am trying to make is no one really knows if or how they are going to defend themselves if put in that position.
I won't say what the police said to my antics as this was in 1998 and if it was said now he would be sacked.
Anyway, I'm off now to take my meds and strap back into my jacket.
Ta Ra the now.
) but reading Kiltie's posts did get me thinking.I have a baseball bat that I would say I would "use" to defend myself, however one night some kids came onto my land to have a wee look at my cars at 2am. No damage was done but I stormed out shouting the odds with said bat as they ran away.
However many years ago two teens thought it would be funny to put in one of my windows targeting my motorbike which was under the window. I saw them cross the road with a concrete post and all I was thinking was if that's bounced off my tank it will cost me hundreds to fix. So the red mist came down and I got neighbour to call the police and I gave chase down a single track road in my parents car.
I found them at the bottom of the road attempting to flood a pensioners house with a garden hose. As I arrived with mums car they ran back up the road and my reaction was instant. I hit reverse and opened the drivers door and went for it. The ONLY thing that went though my mind was keeping mums car out of the ditch and I have not actually thought "what if" until now. They ducked into a park and got away as I gave chase on foot screaming nasties.
I suppose the point I am trying to make is no one really knows if or how they are going to defend themselves if put in that position.
I won't say what the police said to my antics as this was in 1998 and if it was said now he would be sacked.
Anyway, I'm off now to take my meds and strap back into my jacket.
Ta Ra the now.
A few years ago I used to be a manager in supermarkets.
Our Policy was that we could not under any circumstances give chase to a shoplifter once they had left the store. One manager got stabbed in an underpass and was sacked for breaking policy.
However when adrenalin kicks in , you just don't know what your reactions will be. In one case I found myself running across a car park and opening a car door, pulling the keys out the ignition (while the car was moving) and throwing them away !!
Our office was upstairs and the amount of shoplifters who unfortunately tripped and fell as they were going up the stairs was unreal. Really needed to get the stairs sorted.....
Our Policy was that we could not under any circumstances give chase to a shoplifter once they had left the store. One manager got stabbed in an underpass and was sacked for breaking policy.
However when adrenalin kicks in , you just don't know what your reactions will be. In one case I found myself running across a car park and opening a car door, pulling the keys out the ignition (while the car was moving) and throwing them away !!
Our office was upstairs and the amount of shoplifters who unfortunately tripped and fell as they were going up the stairs was unreal. Really needed to get the stairs sorted.....
SSC! said:
Not willy wagging (as would be impossible to do ) but reading Kiltie's posts did get me thinking.
I have a baseball bat that I would say I would "use" to defend myself, however one night some kids came onto my land to have a wee look at my cars at 2am. No damage was done but I stormed out shouting the odds with said bat as they ran away.
However many years ago two teens thought it would be funny to put in one of my windows targeting my motorbike which was under the window. I saw them cross the road with a concrete post and all I was thinking was if that's bounced off my tank it will cost me hundreds to fix. So the red mist came down and I got neighbour to call the police and I gave chase down a single track road in my parents car.
I found them at the bottom of the road attempting to flood a pensioners house with a garden hose. As I arrived with mums car they ran back up the road and my reaction was instant. I hit reverse and opened the drivers door and went for it. The ONLY thing that went though my mind was keeping mums car out of the ditch and I have not actually thought "what if" until now. They ducked into a park and got away as I gave chase on foot screaming nasties.
I suppose the point I am trying to make is no one really knows if or how they are going to defend themselves if put in that position.
I won't say what the police said to my antics as this was in 1998 and if it was said now he would be sacked.
Anyway, I'm off now to take my meds and strap back into my jacket.
Ta Ra the now.
) but reading Kiltie's posts did get me thinking.I have a baseball bat that I would say I would "use" to defend myself, however one night some kids came onto my land to have a wee look at my cars at 2am. No damage was done but I stormed out shouting the odds with said bat as they ran away.
However many years ago two teens thought it would be funny to put in one of my windows targeting my motorbike which was under the window. I saw them cross the road with a concrete post and all I was thinking was if that's bounced off my tank it will cost me hundreds to fix. So the red mist came down and I got neighbour to call the police and I gave chase down a single track road in my parents car.
I found them at the bottom of the road attempting to flood a pensioners house with a garden hose. As I arrived with mums car they ran back up the road and my reaction was instant. I hit reverse and opened the drivers door and went for it. The ONLY thing that went though my mind was keeping mums car out of the ditch and I have not actually thought "what if" until now. They ducked into a park and got away as I gave chase on foot screaming nasties.
I suppose the point I am trying to make is no one really knows if or how they are going to defend themselves if put in that position.
I won't say what the police said to my antics as this was in 1998 and if it was said now he would be sacked.
Anyway, I'm off now to take my meds and strap back into my jacket.
Ta Ra the now.
Craigie said:
A few years ago I used to be a manager in supermarkets.
Our Policy was that we could not under any circumstances give chase to a shoplifter once they had left the store. One manager got stabbed in an underpass and was sacked for breaking policy.
However when adrenalin kicks in , you just don't know what your reactions will be. In one case I found myself running across a car park and opening a car door, pulling the keys out the ignition (while the car was moving) and throwing them away !!
Our office was upstairs and the amount of shoplifters who unfortunately tripped and fell as they were going up the stairs was unreal. Really needed to get the stairs sorted.....
I used to work in a bike shop in Aberdeen (late 90's as a student)and when the door alarms went off it was a matter of pride of who caught the scrote first. Yes the adrenaline kicks in and on more than one occasion we had to carry the said scrote back to the bike shop(push bikes BTW). The police knew him by name and within 6 months I was lobbing him out the shop again before he nicked anything. These people dont care who or what they damage/steal. Looking back maybe not the what everyone would do but these little gits will not learn unless there is some sort of punishment. Our Policy was that we could not under any circumstances give chase to a shoplifter once they had left the store. One manager got stabbed in an underpass and was sacked for breaking policy.
However when adrenalin kicks in , you just don't know what your reactions will be. In one case I found myself running across a car park and opening a car door, pulling the keys out the ignition (while the car was moving) and throwing them away !!
Our office was upstairs and the amount of shoplifters who unfortunately tripped and fell as they were going up the stairs was unreal. Really needed to get the stairs sorted.....
Edited by boardinscotland on Saturday 1st December 00:03
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