Too much angst
Discussion
From the perspective of a grumpy old sod, but a 'petrolhead' underneath.....
I have had only one post I can remember which could be read as an attack, and it was actually a badly worded joke... I wasn't sure so I posted back and asked - it was explained. This is the way to go.
I think posters sometimes forget that the written word is not as flexible as spoken, and can be misunderstood. Smilies are always good for a joke, but you have to be VERY CAREFUL with humour and emotions etc on a blog. English is far too easy to misunderstand or take the wrong meaning.
I am aware that what I think is funny isn't shared by everyone, and neither are my views on a whole range of things. Those differences are what makes life interesting and amazing, but also annoying and frustrating sometimes.
If it's someone whining (here or elsewhere) I normally think "Oh get over it..." But I know that isn't always easy for a major trauma.
I tend to stick to more technical stuff, when people ask for help. I think that's where we can help most, by keeping more cars on the road and usable.
Car-wise, if you want to bling up your car, that's entirely your right. If you want to keep it absolutely original, that's your right. If you want to let it fall apart, that's your right. It's should be my right to say I don't like it, but I should not say that in an offensive way. It's just an opinion after all.
We should be able to discuss problems and solutions, original or alternate, even temporary bodges, as they can keep the car viable.
And so on ....
I have had only one post I can remember which could be read as an attack, and it was actually a badly worded joke... I wasn't sure so I posted back and asked - it was explained. This is the way to go.
I think posters sometimes forget that the written word is not as flexible as spoken, and can be misunderstood. Smilies are always good for a joke, but you have to be VERY CAREFUL with humour and emotions etc on a blog. English is far too easy to misunderstand or take the wrong meaning.
I am aware that what I think is funny isn't shared by everyone, and neither are my views on a whole range of things. Those differences are what makes life interesting and amazing, but also annoying and frustrating sometimes.
If it's someone whining (here or elsewhere) I normally think "Oh get over it..." But I know that isn't always easy for a major trauma.
I tend to stick to more technical stuff, when people ask for help. I think that's where we can help most, by keeping more cars on the road and usable.
Car-wise, if you want to bling up your car, that's entirely your right. If you want to keep it absolutely original, that's your right. If you want to let it fall apart, that's your right. It's should be my right to say I don't like it, but I should not say that in an offensive way. It's just an opinion after all.
We should be able to discuss problems and solutions, original or alternate, even temporary bodges, as they can keep the car viable.
And so on ....
After posting the above, it occurred to me that I could have quoted
"Yeah, pity about the grammar though"
Which *I* think is a funny comment, but I know others might not see it that way, so I don't. A smiley makes it more obvious, but even then, because it's not face to face you should be careful.
I would guess Zig would laugh, but ...
adam quantrill said:
Zig - wow what a post! May I be the first to congratulate you on how you punctuation has come along since your very first post all those years ago ;^)
Personally, Henry, I just let it wash over and pick the good bits out from between the tantrums.
and saidPersonally, Henry, I just let it wash over and pick the good bits out from between the tantrums.
"Yeah, pity about the grammar though"
Which *I* think is a funny comment, but I know others might not see it that way, so I don't. A smiley makes it more obvious, but even then, because it's not face to face you should be careful.
I would guess Zig would laugh, but ...
Well, heres my tuppence worth...
TVRCC - Was a member for a couple of years. The forum was quiet, Sprint is fine if you want adverts or tales of newer models, never seemed much in it for a wedge owner, imho. So i cancelled the membership, although the monthly meets are great, good folk and good drives.
But in all, my cash is better spent on fuel or Belhaven.
The PH forum...
I'm a member of the TT forum and the VXR forum, the TT one can be a bit condescending, the vauxhall one is fine, but the PH Wedge one...
This one is great. Nowhere else would someone go from one end of London to another to collect a substantial part of a wedge and post it north of the wall to someone he hasnt yet met! The site is full of good advice, banter and comaraderie. Its great. I do however ignore the "look at me I'm Sandra Dee" types and their sycophantic followers.
So in answer to Henrys question, Brexit excluded (I'm in the 45), just ignore the angst and the cause. Like all bullies, they will move on when they see nobody rises to the bait.
Happy wedging.
Marcus
TVRCC - Was a member for a couple of years. The forum was quiet, Sprint is fine if you want adverts or tales of newer models, never seemed much in it for a wedge owner, imho. So i cancelled the membership, although the monthly meets are great, good folk and good drives.
But in all, my cash is better spent on fuel or Belhaven.
The PH forum...
I'm a member of the TT forum and the VXR forum, the TT one can be a bit condescending, the vauxhall one is fine, but the PH Wedge one...
This one is great. Nowhere else would someone go from one end of London to another to collect a substantial part of a wedge and post it north of the wall to someone he hasnt yet met! The site is full of good advice, banter and comaraderie. Its great. I do however ignore the "look at me I'm Sandra Dee" types and their sycophantic followers.
So in answer to Henrys question, Brexit excluded (I'm in the 45), just ignore the angst and the cause. Like all bullies, they will move on when they see nobody rises to the bait.
Happy wedging.
Marcus
I'm with Marcus, there's some great people on here with tremendous knowledge.
I can't be arsed with the 'angst' there's too much of that in real life. This forum is about cars and the people who love them. I'm not remotely interested in people trying to be top dog or better than everyone else. For me it's all about the cars, keeping them alive and having fun with them.
I can't be arsed with the 'angst' there's too much of that in real life. This forum is about cars and the people who love them. I'm not remotely interested in people trying to be top dog or better than everyone else. For me it's all about the cars, keeping them alive and having fun with them.
marcus1875 said:
Well, heres my tuppence worth...
But in all, my cash is better spent on fuel or Belhaven.
Y'see, that there is your first problem. You're frittering your money away on that... what's the word up your way... 'pish' that gets passed-off as alcoholic licquor But in all, my cash is better spent on fuel or Belhaven.
Once Scotland has independence than you'll probably have no choice but as long as the border's open you can still import Broadside, Fullers ESB or better still, Old Peculier
Regards the TVRCC, I was a member for a year or two in the 90s but got the square root of zipsquatdiddly out of it; went to Back Home a couple of times, had a mooch round the factory, met a few other Wedgers, Trevor Wilkinson, some of the factory guys... and had the Tasmin break down on the sea-front thus missing an appearance in the 50th anniversary cavalcade video
Around the same time cameth the internet and the car club became irrelevant (to me).
I do my best to help people out in person and on the forum, I know not everyone gets my sense of humour but so what, f*** 'em
I was supposed to go and see a Wedge for sale recently and even if I hadn't bought it I'd have freely offered my opinion and assistance, even if it was only to help the seller... but in the event I was called-out on a job in Germany and was subsequently unable to contact/ was ignored by the seller on my return. Such is the way of life... and people.
Anyway 20+ years of wedges and neither the cars nor the people have put me off, so here's a
to my car's 30th birthday next year and a 'yah boo sucks' to those who can't stick it in our eclectic little circle (sense of humour, remember 
).PS Marcus: my grandmother was a MacLean
RCK974X said:
Car-wise, if you want to bling up your car, that's entirely your right. If you want to keep it absolutely original, that's your right. If you want to let it fall apart, that's your right. It's should be my right to say I don't like it, but I should not say that in an offensive way. It's just an opinion after all.
Amen to that! I personally don't agree with keeping show pieces and garage queens (unless we are talking about ultra-rare classics worth millions, so too much to risk taking on the road), but I do understand those that do and their reasons for it. I've been around classic cars for 40 years (started working with my dad on an old Standard 10 when I was 5!), so I get it - but I have never chosen that path. Say you don't like it and that you wouldn't have done that, but please don't tell me I am wrong. And there are those times when it is best to say nothing at all...One small note on the TVRCC - I turned up to a couple of meetings to find out what it was all about when I first got my 350i almost 10 years ago. I left both meetings feeling like I had some kind of contagious disease (Wedge-itus?) and never bothered joining the club on the back of that. Managed to get discounted insurance by saying I was a member and never had to prove it, so that was fine by me!
eesbad said:
... Say you don't like it and that you wouldn't have done that, but please don't tell me I am wrong. And there are those times when it is best to say nothing at all...
Well said .PS Great post Mark.
I do think the spirit of TVR, and even more so the Wedge, is about individuality, nothing wrong with being part of a heard, however the tastiest grass is usually the least trampled.
Henry Harris said:
I make no apologies in starting this thread.
I notice over the recent months an increase in the level of angst being demonstrated on the Pistonheads and TVRCC Forums. Maybe it is the public in general exercising their prerogative following the Brexit vote, I don’t know.
Where do we go from here?
Hi Henry,I notice over the recent months an increase in the level of angst being demonstrated on the Pistonheads and TVRCC Forums. Maybe it is the public in general exercising their prerogative following the Brexit vote, I don’t know.
Where do we go from here?
- Put up or shut up
- ignore it
- Join in
- Something else
I think there have been two issues here. One has been dealt with and is no longer an issue, so let's leave that one in the past. The other, for those of us who are still TVRCC members, is ongoing.
The TVRCC issue boils down to a number of points including: lack of transparancy by the committee which has created a 'them and us' culture and also what many perceive to be the committee's recent poor, lack lustre and lifeless management, this culminating in an operating loss of over £18,500 in the last financial year. For those of us who are passionate about the club these are important points. Continued losses could see the end of the club. Sadly we are unable to have an open and frank discussion about the subject on the TVRCC forum as posts are edited or closed down, just as Number 7's was just yesterday. So these discussions, many quite heated, have mainly been taking place on PH or Facebook.
Hopefully within the coming months these TVRCC problems will start to be resolved and a number of people are currently positively contributing to that process. For example I met with TVRCC Director Richard Sails for four hours on Thursday evening to offer my support and thoughts as to how the club can turn itself around. It only remains to be seen how many of those ideas are adopted and acted upon. The reason I did this is that dissatisfaction with the TVRCC in general and the committee in particular is becoming widespread and a number of new clubs are rumoured to be forming. The committee's current head in the sand policy if continued could therefore create a split in the club, which once created would be impossible to mend. The situation would therefore develop where for example we would see two opposing TVR stands at the NEC and other national and regional shows and I don't think anyone wants to see that. However if the committee does refuse to take it's head out of the sand and modernise, I fear this outcome will be inevitable. Just as David Cameron will go down in history as the Prime Minister who split up the European Union, so will this committee go down in history as the one which split up the TVRCC.
To answer you question, my feeling is that currently there is plenty the 'ordinary' members can offer by way of advise and support to the current committee, so put up and shut up is not the order of the day. Ignoring it could mean the committee continuing to make losses and underperform and the club could go, so that too is currently not an option. Joining in is good if it helps solve the problem and that is what I and many others have chosen to so. Something else will be the final act, which is yet to be played out. Should the current incumbents continue their current course, the something else is not something I wish to envisage. But that will be dictated by the actions of the committee.
So as the TVRCC committee appears for the first time in a long time to be listening to the ordinary members, frustrations may abate and we can all once more get on with the important business of being passionate about our cars and the forums should be a happy place once more.
One can only hope...
I try to keep TVRCC discussions on the club forums however I feel I should answer this post here.
Last week after a post about the lack of minutes on our website was posted, it became clear that there were some other issues that some club members wanted to discuss. I made a decision to personally contact all of the contributors on the thread and discuss in length their individual issues. When I rang Howard, he had much to talk about and so we met up on Thursday evening for a longer talk.
Over the weekend I have continued to contact other long standing club members to ask their opinions and seek their advice and suggestions. To be very clear I would welcome opinions, suggestions and advice from ALL club members and have published my home and mobile numbers on the TVRCC website forums. I intend to continue calling people to ask their opinions and suggestions in order to gain a better understanding of any perceived issues.
It is become quite clear that we do have a communication problem, particularly with the committee meeting minutes and their distribution. To that end we intend to change the way we distribute them to enable the members to receive them via the TVRCC website in a very much shorter time. We also intend to publish a summary of the committee meeting in Sprint after each meeting.
A number of people appeared to believe the committee meetings were held behind closed doors, this is simply not the case, the committee meetings are open to all members of the club, we would ask that you try to let the club secretary know you are coming a week or so before so that the correct number of seats and coffee can be arranged.
I would also like to make some specific replies to Howards (Wedgeman) post;
"lack of transparancy by the committee which has created a 'them and us' culture"
There is no deliberate lack of transparency however there is a perception that the committee meet in secret and the slow way minutes are presented to the members does enhance this. To address this we will be publishing unadopted minutes on the club website in quick time and we will be publishing a round up of what happened at the meeting within Sprint magazine. This will include a reminder when the next committee meeting is and that any member can attend. I am very open to suggestions as to other ways we can make things more transparent to the membership.
"culminating in an operating loss of over £18,500 in the last financial year"
As Matt explained at the AGM, the unusual losses were due to a sudden very large raise in postage costs (we have since changed supplier) and a decision to spend some of the excess reserves (remember we are a non-profit making company - the tax man will not like it if we turned in too much profit year on year). Overall the club remains on a very sound financial footing. The new treasurer is planning the budgets and in the spirit of openness intends to publish an article in Sprint explaining both the budgets and how the clubs finances work.
"Sadly we are unable to have an open and frank discussion about the subject on the TVRCC forum as posts are edited or closed down, just as Number 7's was just yesterday."
This is simply not true. While there was a thread on the forum concerning the audit and accountancy fees open, an older thread was resurrected by yourself. In order to avoid two thread running on the same subject the older thread was locked with a post pointing to the recent thread. The older thread is still available to read and the newer thread is still open and can be posted too. There is an open and frank discussion on the car club website forums right now.
"new clubs are rumoured to be forming"
I think it would be very sad if the club split into two or more clubs, we would be stronger as one club and able to do more. If anyone has the energy and drive to start another club I for one would rather they use it to make our club a better one and would offer all the support that I can.
"I met with TVRCC Director Richard Sails for four hours on Thursday evening to offer my support and thoughts as to how the club can turn itself around"
I listened to all your opinions and agree with many, although there are some I am still to be convinced of. Hence my calling around many of the long standing members and trying to encourage debate and involvement of the club members and hence this very public post here. I am glad to hear that you are willing to help and look forward to working with you on finding better ways of doing things, starting with engaging the membership in open debate about what we want out of TVRCC membership and how we can achieve that.
"my feeling is that currently there is plenty the 'ordinary' members can offer by way of advise and support to the current committee, so put up and shut up is not the order of the day."
I agree entirely, the committee is in place to help with the running of the club but the most important part of the club is the members. There is knowledge and expertise within the club that we would love to tap into in order to do things better. without the members nothing would get done. For instance each event requires the help and assistance of the members both in planning and on the day of the event in order to be a success. One of the questions I am asking is how do we engage the membership to organise a number of big national events and to improve the running of the club.
"So as the TVRCC committee appears for the first time in a long time to be listening to the ordinary members"
We are listening and looking for help, there is no 'them and us', we are all members.
Please jump across to the TVR Car Club forums and give us your opinions, suggestions and help.
Last week after a post about the lack of minutes on our website was posted, it became clear that there were some other issues that some club members wanted to discuss. I made a decision to personally contact all of the contributors on the thread and discuss in length their individual issues. When I rang Howard, he had much to talk about and so we met up on Thursday evening for a longer talk.
Over the weekend I have continued to contact other long standing club members to ask their opinions and seek their advice and suggestions. To be very clear I would welcome opinions, suggestions and advice from ALL club members and have published my home and mobile numbers on the TVRCC website forums. I intend to continue calling people to ask their opinions and suggestions in order to gain a better understanding of any perceived issues.
It is become quite clear that we do have a communication problem, particularly with the committee meeting minutes and their distribution. To that end we intend to change the way we distribute them to enable the members to receive them via the TVRCC website in a very much shorter time. We also intend to publish a summary of the committee meeting in Sprint after each meeting.
A number of people appeared to believe the committee meetings were held behind closed doors, this is simply not the case, the committee meetings are open to all members of the club, we would ask that you try to let the club secretary know you are coming a week or so before so that the correct number of seats and coffee can be arranged.
I would also like to make some specific replies to Howards (Wedgeman) post;
"lack of transparancy by the committee which has created a 'them and us' culture"
There is no deliberate lack of transparency however there is a perception that the committee meet in secret and the slow way minutes are presented to the members does enhance this. To address this we will be publishing unadopted minutes on the club website in quick time and we will be publishing a round up of what happened at the meeting within Sprint magazine. This will include a reminder when the next committee meeting is and that any member can attend. I am very open to suggestions as to other ways we can make things more transparent to the membership.
"culminating in an operating loss of over £18,500 in the last financial year"
As Matt explained at the AGM, the unusual losses were due to a sudden very large raise in postage costs (we have since changed supplier) and a decision to spend some of the excess reserves (remember we are a non-profit making company - the tax man will not like it if we turned in too much profit year on year). Overall the club remains on a very sound financial footing. The new treasurer is planning the budgets and in the spirit of openness intends to publish an article in Sprint explaining both the budgets and how the clubs finances work.
"Sadly we are unable to have an open and frank discussion about the subject on the TVRCC forum as posts are edited or closed down, just as Number 7's was just yesterday."
This is simply not true. While there was a thread on the forum concerning the audit and accountancy fees open, an older thread was resurrected by yourself. In order to avoid two thread running on the same subject the older thread was locked with a post pointing to the recent thread. The older thread is still available to read and the newer thread is still open and can be posted too. There is an open and frank discussion on the car club website forums right now.
"new clubs are rumoured to be forming"
I think it would be very sad if the club split into two or more clubs, we would be stronger as one club and able to do more. If anyone has the energy and drive to start another club I for one would rather they use it to make our club a better one and would offer all the support that I can.
"I met with TVRCC Director Richard Sails for four hours on Thursday evening to offer my support and thoughts as to how the club can turn itself around"
I listened to all your opinions and agree with many, although there are some I am still to be convinced of. Hence my calling around many of the long standing members and trying to encourage debate and involvement of the club members and hence this very public post here. I am glad to hear that you are willing to help and look forward to working with you on finding better ways of doing things, starting with engaging the membership in open debate about what we want out of TVRCC membership and how we can achieve that.
"my feeling is that currently there is plenty the 'ordinary' members can offer by way of advise and support to the current committee, so put up and shut up is not the order of the day."
I agree entirely, the committee is in place to help with the running of the club but the most important part of the club is the members. There is knowledge and expertise within the club that we would love to tap into in order to do things better. without the members nothing would get done. For instance each event requires the help and assistance of the members both in planning and on the day of the event in order to be a success. One of the questions I am asking is how do we engage the membership to organise a number of big national events and to improve the running of the club.
"So as the TVRCC committee appears for the first time in a long time to be listening to the ordinary members"
We are listening and looking for help, there is no 'them and us', we are all members.
Please jump across to the TVR Car Club forums and give us your opinions, suggestions and help.
gemini said:
Does that include the cloth to wipe the misty windscreen? 
Crap demisting in Wedges is one reason that the roof only goes on if it really is raining hard. Trouble is, it's a vicious circle with the roof on, especially with 2 in the car: open the windows slightly to get some air flow, which lets the rain in, which creates more condensation, so you open the window some more, and let some more rain in.......Richard, I for one would like to thank you for your open and very clear response to the various concerns. Certainly I very much appreciate your input and efforts to move things forward in a positive way. Hopefully those that have strong concerns about how the club faces the future can input constructively and feel they are being listened to. Cheers Keith Knight.
I wish I could contribute a definitive answer to the issues that have arisen..
All I can do is to voice my feelings or opinions which have been concluded from what I personally see.
Being relatively new to the TVR ownership I guess I feel what quite a lot of you felt years ago when you bought your first TVR, However I still feel the same nearly 7 years on and hope to continue to do so.
My enthusiasm to organise the Biggest Baddest meeting of TVR Wedges in the world overflows and what a lot of people do not know is that twice now I have nearly destroyed the car that I love and cherish in order to create an event for the very same car.
I do not claim expenses and have had to beg borrow and sell personal items to afford the fuel to reccy hotels and fun places to visit as I do not have savings or an income,
Im also extremely fortunate to have a fellow Wedger who has become a very good friend and who is willing to also loose money...In fact much more than I in order to help me create something beautiful for you.
We do this because we want to do it, We have the passion and enthusiasm which drives us on.
The passion can only enhance what we create and which also helps to move the event forward..No longer are we standing around in car parks kicking tyres in the pishing rain!.
I also try to contribute to this forum by helping as many people as I can..Again sometimes at my expense...Again only because I want to.
I have sent parts to most corners of the globe in order to help keep these wonderful machines on the road...Any profit or donations are paid straight into the BBWF account for all to see if they so require.
If an audit team were to audit the accounts then I'm 100% confident that they will be handing me money back at the end of it...Which will go straight back into the fund.
The money that is made from each event is accountable and is expended appropriately on regalia and other assets for the events future, In other words it is invested back into the event.
This money is your money and I will never mis-use or misplace a single penny.
We donate a healthy chunk to a very good cause each year and always end up with some money in the pot for the following year...
Again there are no expenses claimed as we pay our way as regards to rooms, Food and memorabilia.
Okay I do admit to being bought more alcohol than I can drink..Although I seem to manage it ..And okay sometimes I laugh more than I have all year...And on the odd occasion I have become a bit teary eyed but when my head hits the pillow I can smile as I sleep knowing the people I care about are also smiling while they sleep.
Thank you
Ziga
All I can do is to voice my feelings or opinions which have been concluded from what I personally see.
Being relatively new to the TVR ownership I guess I feel what quite a lot of you felt years ago when you bought your first TVR, However I still feel the same nearly 7 years on and hope to continue to do so.
My enthusiasm to organise the Biggest Baddest meeting of TVR Wedges in the world overflows and what a lot of people do not know is that twice now I have nearly destroyed the car that I love and cherish in order to create an event for the very same car.
I do not claim expenses and have had to beg borrow and sell personal items to afford the fuel to reccy hotels and fun places to visit as I do not have savings or an income,
Im also extremely fortunate to have a fellow Wedger who has become a very good friend and who is willing to also loose money...In fact much more than I in order to help me create something beautiful for you.
We do this because we want to do it, We have the passion and enthusiasm which drives us on.
The passion can only enhance what we create and which also helps to move the event forward..No longer are we standing around in car parks kicking tyres in the pishing rain!.
I also try to contribute to this forum by helping as many people as I can..Again sometimes at my expense...Again only because I want to.
I have sent parts to most corners of the globe in order to help keep these wonderful machines on the road...Any profit or donations are paid straight into the BBWF account for all to see if they so require.
If an audit team were to audit the accounts then I'm 100% confident that they will be handing me money back at the end of it...Which will go straight back into the fund.
The money that is made from each event is accountable and is expended appropriately on regalia and other assets for the events future, In other words it is invested back into the event.
This money is your money and I will never mis-use or misplace a single penny.
We donate a healthy chunk to a very good cause each year and always end up with some money in the pot for the following year...
Again there are no expenses claimed as we pay our way as regards to rooms, Food and memorabilia.
Okay I do admit to being bought more alcohol than I can drink..Although I seem to manage it ..And okay sometimes I laugh more than I have all year...And on the odd occasion I have become a bit teary eyed but when my head hits the pillow I can smile as I sleep knowing the people I care about are also smiling while they sleep.
Thank you
Ziga
I don't think anyone doubts your passion, enthusiasm or honesty, Mark. And those who've enjoyed the recent BBWFs have a great deal to thank you for, by all accounts (no pun intended!). I hope I get to join you at the next one, if I manage to get back in a Wedge in time!
This next bit is no criticism of you or anyone else in particular, more a comment on all I have read here, but with passion always comes conflict. I know more than most, as I have to keep 12 Design Engineers in harmony on a daily basis. Though I have the advantage of threatening to have the coffee machine removed if they don't behave! Passion is love and love blinds. To belittle or dismiss something someone loves is asking for trouble. I know some relationships on here have gone bad and are beyond repair, for a variety of reasons, but others may be teetering on the edge and they can be salvaged. By focusing our passions in the right direction, then we can continue to make this forum a nice place to hang out. We don't have to react when someone we wouldn't give the time of day to posts - if they resort to name calling and silliness, then we don't have to go down to their level. We can rise above it and feel the better man (or woman!) for it. And we don't want to lose valuable contributors who get fed up of the constant bickering, or scare off the newbies and 'next generation' of Wedge lovers either. To reiterate, I am not pointing fingers, but we all can play a part in what happens next...
Geez, I sound like hippy and I haven't been drinking either! I hope none of this offends anyone (it shouldn't), but I am just throwing in my 2p's worth of my take on things.
This next bit is no criticism of you or anyone else in particular, more a comment on all I have read here, but with passion always comes conflict. I know more than most, as I have to keep 12 Design Engineers in harmony on a daily basis. Though I have the advantage of threatening to have the coffee machine removed if they don't behave! Passion is love and love blinds. To belittle or dismiss something someone loves is asking for trouble. I know some relationships on here have gone bad and are beyond repair, for a variety of reasons, but others may be teetering on the edge and they can be salvaged. By focusing our passions in the right direction, then we can continue to make this forum a nice place to hang out. We don't have to react when someone we wouldn't give the time of day to posts - if they resort to name calling and silliness, then we don't have to go down to their level. We can rise above it and feel the better man (or woman!) for it. And we don't want to lose valuable contributors who get fed up of the constant bickering, or scare off the newbies and 'next generation' of Wedge lovers either. To reiterate, I am not pointing fingers, but we all can play a part in what happens next...
Geez, I sound like hippy and I haven't been drinking either! I hope none of this offends anyone (it shouldn't), but I am just throwing in my 2p's worth of my take on things.
I hope this is a catalyst for many good people to now sit down, take stock, meet up or simply put differences aside and start a fresh.
I'm a Chim owner so have no idea what the heck is going on here but since reading this I've been looking at many recent threads on the wedge forum,
All I can detect is down to earth people helping each other out with ideas and Helpfull tips etc etc, all done in great spirit and respect.
It only takes one person to get the hump with another to set off a chain of events that sour a great thing and as a Chim owner who loves to see these Wedges of yours on the road it seems a crying shame you chaps can't work out a strategy that suits everyone, compromise is a fact of life so do whatever's necessary to accommodate the needs of all.
Keeping events up and running is part of the life blood of any Mark and often requires special souls to undertake these tasks as is keeping the TVRCC alive and kicking, Wedges seem thin on the ground, from my perspective your all very special people and brave as bears to take the mad looking things on.
I'd like to see more Wedge related things in Sprint but I'm sure these things even themselves out over the years.
I'm not a member these days but feel I should be because we do need a club and this post makes me realise how important all of this is, we are a rare breed so value each and every one of us.
Long live Tvr and there owners and yes the club too
I'm a Chim owner so have no idea what the heck is going on here but since reading this I've been looking at many recent threads on the wedge forum,
All I can detect is down to earth people helping each other out with ideas and Helpfull tips etc etc, all done in great spirit and respect.
It only takes one person to get the hump with another to set off a chain of events that sour a great thing and as a Chim owner who loves to see these Wedges of yours on the road it seems a crying shame you chaps can't work out a strategy that suits everyone, compromise is a fact of life so do whatever's necessary to accommodate the needs of all.
Keeping events up and running is part of the life blood of any Mark and often requires special souls to undertake these tasks as is keeping the TVRCC alive and kicking, Wedges seem thin on the ground, from my perspective your all very special people and brave as bears to take the mad looking things on.
I'd like to see more Wedge related things in Sprint but I'm sure these things even themselves out over the years.
I'm not a member these days but feel I should be because we do need a club and this post makes me realise how important all of this is, we are a rare breed so value each and every one of us.
Long live Tvr and there owners and yes the club too
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