Convert colonge 2.8 I to carb ?????

[jaapdog]

Hi does anybody know where I can get a carb inlet manifold for my 2.8 I colonge engine, the Essex one won't fit, what car had the manifold as standard thanks jaap

[Sardonicus]

Granada MK2 non inj has the carb and intake you seek

[Tasmin200]

Or you could dig deep and fit this lot from Weber, it's only £2500!!!

[Tasmin200]

Keep an eye out on eBay you can usually pick up a Granada 2.8 inlet for £60-100. It might even have a carb on it but you'd be better putting a Weber DGAS on.

Edited by Tasmin200 on Wednesday 5th April 08:52

[440Interceptor]

What the reason behind going to carbs?

[Grady]

I don't know about Jaapdog's reasons, but I'm fairly frustrated with my FI set-up. Grady

[phillpot]

From posts I've read on the S forum that early injection system can be "problematic" with parts getting scarce/expensive?



As already said, carb manifolds do crop up on Ebay.

[Grady]

Parts are a problem but also people. It's hard to find a mechanic that will look at it. They don't want to touch it because it's old and/or not their marquee car. I must have gone to a dozen European car shops trying to get the tuning tweaked for the annual pollution inspection (sort of MOT-lite) and was turned away. Thankfully the car aged out of the inspection requirement.

[Mr Tank]

Hi

Carb inlet manifold on e-bay item number 282426401864

Andy

[jaapdog]

Hi all job done fitted cologne inlet and carb,( Essex inlet won't fit colonge) runs well ( next job oil not getting to rockers ) will clean rocker shafts of crud etc thanks all jaap

[v8s4me]

Any photos and details of which parts you used? Did the carb need re-jetting?

[jaapdog]

Hi Granada's came with inlet manifold for carb, no need to rejet regards jim the reason I went to carb from injection , can enter my car for hillclimbs etc

[v8s4me]

Looks like I have a 2.3 manifold. The guy I bought it off sold it as suitable for both the 2.3 and the 2.8.



I didn't see this number until I cleaned it up.

I bought the 38 DGMS separately and it fits the manifold.



But will the manifold fir the 2.8?

Edited by v8s4me on Monday 29th May 21:17

[RCK974X]

What I know about manifolds from fiddling with kit cars (before wedge)

The earlier 2.3 had a manifold with slightly different ports sizes and waterways. It does not fit the 2.8 - officially.
Unfortunately I think that's what you've got (not sure though)

Later 2.3 engines got an upgrade to head design, and *apparently* (not confirmed) this 2.3 manifold is identical to the 2.8, and will
fit both engines. it got bigger exhaust manifolds, which won't fit in original wedge.
That mfold doesn't have engine size on it (as I remember).

Early 2.3 head labeled "AN" (mfold won't fit), later head labeled "A9" (mfold may fit). 2.8 heads are labeled "EN"
Blocks also have an "A" (2.3) or an "E" (2.8) at the back of block near the gbox.

If you check inlet mfold gaskets, you will see there is an early 2.3 and a 2.8 listed as separate part numbers, the later 2.3 *appears* to
be same part no as 2.8.

ALL the manifolds will fit a 38DGAS as they all have the same rectangular hole and bolt pattern

Gaskets are only very slightly different anyway.....but enough that you will probably get a water leak.

38DGAS for a 2.8 should be jetted the same as the older 3.0 Essex - there was a 2.3 conversion with a DGAS sold, but it had smaller jets.

So probably best practical way is to see if a 2.8 gasket fits well enough on your manifold to seal everything properly.
Check waterways carefully !

Hope that's useful.

Edited by RCK974X on Wednesday 31st May 00:48

[v8s4me]

Very helpful. Thank you

Looking on eBay there's still 2.3 manifolds being advertised as suitable for both so easy for people like me to be led astray

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-cologne-v6-2-3-2-8-...

Edited by v8s4me on Tuesday 30th May 11:14

[Tasmin200]

Pretty sure my 2.8 runs a 2.3 manifold. I'll check for you.

[Tasmin200]

Sorry, I was mistaken my car does have a 2.8 manifold.

[RCK974X]

OK - read that ebay link, and I can tell you again to be CAREFUL.....

Why ??

NO 2.3 or 2.8 MANIFOLD WILL FIT A 2.4 or 2.9 Engine. FACT. (Ford changed the block bolt spacings, but not enough that it's obvious on a photo)

...So that undermines this guy's credibility by quite a bit....

That manifold is also an early 2.3 (my guess) because it has that 'double hole' waterway at the front.
I think (not sure) that the later 2.3 manifold has a single round hole waterway.

(I can't say for absolute, becuase I read there were several variations across different countries , and USA even had different heads with 3 exhaust ports (NOT the 2.9 but for the 2.8). My experience was all in UK, but I did see a German 2.3 V6 Capri once, which was never sold in UK....) New Zealand got some 2.3 engines (Cortinas) for example, and they have an additional piece under carb for EGR recirculation, which I don't think was used in UK, I think this was a German made variant ?

So I guess a gasket is the BEST way to check, without taking your engine to bits first !

[v8s4me]

RCK974X said:

.....I think (not sure) that the later 2.3 manifold has a single round hole waterway............

As you can see, mine has a single not-quite-round hole for the the thermostat.

RCK974X said:

..... New Zealand got some 2.3 engines (Cortinas) for example, and they have an additional piece under carb for EGR recirculation, which I don't think was used in UK, I think this was a German made variant ?.....

Is that unit on top of the inlet port an EGR recirculator? It was filthy enough!

So if my manifold is a later 2.3 one then maybe it will fit the 2.8? Time to order in a gasket I think.

[RCK974X]

Ah - GOOD NEWS !!

I think that IS a LATER manifold - it matches the NZ style I've seen, and I thought it was never used in UK (So I'm wrong there...), but always used on later 2.3 engine. It also has single waterway hole.

Yes those holes are for EGR and/or an air pump thing for emission control. Block holes with a 'frost plug' type cap if you need to

Hmmm... I wonder if this style mfold was used on the 2.3 Sierra ??

so that manifold might fit after all. But do check against a 2.8 gasket to make sure - I'd hate to think of the water leaking into the centre of the 'V' and messing everything up....

Please do tell us all whether it fits - useful info for when the injection bits get impossible to find....

Edited by RCK974X on Wednesday 31st May 00:41