fuel pump regulator/ relay

fuel pump regulator/ relay

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combine

Original Poster:

3,114 posts

230 months

Friday 12th May 2006
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What controls the running of the fuel pump ? mine switches on with 2nd position on key and stays on , don't think its supposed to do this , probably wrecked the pump I've just replaced ! Wedge 1e ?

blaineuk

2,615 posts

248 months

Friday 12th May 2006
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think it works off the air flow meter, could be worth checking that the flap is not sticking in the open position.

rev-erend

21,430 posts

285 months

Friday 12th May 2006
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If you have a flapper air flow meter - then it just needs adjusting.

It should turn on when you turn the key and then stop - restarting when you turn the car over with the key.

Any good wedge specialist will be able to adjust it..

ferlin

357 posts

240 months

Friday 12th May 2006
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Check the fuel pump relay first by swapping it over.
Bottom left relay on my car. With relays under glovebox (350i)

wedg1e

26,807 posts

266 months

Friday 12th May 2006
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Didn't I comment on that at the BBWF last year, Combine?

As stated above, it 'should' only run once the airflow meter flap lifts in response to air being drawn through it. The AFM return spring should cause the flap to open the contact that makes the pump relay run. To check if the contact is closed when it shouldn't be, try unplugging the AFM. If the pump stops, it's the switch making it run.

However... Al (Hargo) had the same issue with his 350 fhc last year. We unplugged the AFM and the pump kept running. It turned out that there was a wire link soldered across the tracks inside the red diode 'relay' module that was making the pump run as long as the ignition was on. We cut the link, 'normal' operation was resumed and as far as I know it still works as it should. The strange thing was that the link appeared to have been done from new, as it was actually the lead of one component that had been used to form the bridge. Presumably the fault had always been there!

combine

Original Poster:

3,114 posts

230 months

Saturday 13th May 2006
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Yes you did ! Has been switching off correctly when it feels like it, then it doesn't ie tempremental (moody mistress ! )Thanks all for your tech nowhow , must swot up on these issues. If the local motor electrician can't sort it will have to look elsewere.Least I can drive her !

wedg1e

26,807 posts

266 months

Saturday 13th May 2006
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It could just be a bit of clart (tech term ) that is stopping the AFM flap from closing fully and thus not opening the pump kill switch.

Alternatively it could be that someone has been playing with the AFM flap return spring tension and has loosened it to the point that the springy switch contacts themselves have enough resistance to the spring that they don't open.

combine

Original Poster:

3,114 posts

230 months

Saturday 13th May 2006
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As a matter of interest what do new AFM's cost ?

combine

Original Poster:

3,114 posts

230 months

Sunday 14th May 2006
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Unplugged AFM , pump did NOT run , does that mean relay is not switching fuel pump off when it should do ?If so which is the fuel pump relay as the book says nothing about it and the relays don't either ?

GreenV8S

30,229 posts

285 months

Sunday 14th May 2006
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combine said:
Unplugged AFM , pump did NOT run , does that mean relay is not switching fuel pump off when it should do?


NO it means the AFM is making the pump run, confirming an AFM fault.

combine

Original Poster:

3,114 posts

230 months

Sunday 14th May 2006
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Thanks for that !!! , apologies for my lack of technical knowledge !!

blaineuk

2,615 posts

248 months

Sunday 14th May 2006
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GreenV8S said:
combine said:
Unplugged AFM , pump did NOT run , does that mean relay is not switching fuel pump off when it should do?


NO it means the AFM is making the pump run, confirming an AFM fault.

this could explain the loud bangs you sometimes get

combine

Original Poster:

3,114 posts

230 months

Monday 15th May 2006
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She's sorted !!!! brilliant. contacts were touching inside black oblong box on AFM BEFORE turning engine over.So bent them apart slightly - not very techy I know - just enough to stop fuel pump coming on too early.No more pumping when only red dash lights on ! Blaine , do you think the nasty backfire will now stop , was AFM to blame ? Put some new spark plus in 2 days ago and that made a dramatic difference to running and seemingly more crackling , popping /noise .

adam quantrill

11,538 posts

243 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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wedg1e said:
However... Al (Hargo) had the same issue with his 350 fhc last year. We unplugged the AFM and the pump kept running. It turned out that there was a wire link soldered across the tracks inside the red diode 'relay' module that was making the pump run as long as the ignition was on. We cut the link, 'normal' operation was resumed and as far as I know it still works as it should. The strange thing was that the link appeared to have been done from new, as it was actually the lead of one component that had been used to form the bridge. Presumably the fault had always been there!
Wow - that's a safety critical issue - shows how much testing Pektron actually did back in the day, eh???

nwarner

612 posts

261 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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I own combine's 390SE that he owned at the time of this thread and it could explain why the black cover on my AFM is only pushed on and not stuck down smile

Nige

KKson

3,407 posts

126 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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Interesting but my SEAC's fuel pump runs all the time with ignition on. I've checked all the hard wiring which matches the circuit diagram. I'll pop in my spare pektron relay to see if it makes a difference also.

tvrmk363

375 posts

130 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Hey Adam, stupid question, cuz I can’t remember. The red relays you made, are they for 280i’s or 350i’s?
Thanks!!

KKson

3,407 posts

126 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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They are for the V8s EFi system.

nwarner

612 posts

261 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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That reminds me, I must stick the cover down on my AFMsmile

Nige

KKson

3,407 posts

126 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Had a look at the SEAC this afternoon as its fuel pump runs all the time also. Disconnected the AFM and it still ran. Changed the fuel relay for a good one I had in my 350i and pump still runs all the time, so further investigation is needed.