Right Turn Rules
Discussion
That's when the roundabout should be either gritted or have a suitably roughed surface, rather than just straight tarseal!
As a point for the Kiwi side, what's the point of having 2 parts to a License, and having to cary both around (for certain things) when the card version shows all you need to know.
Plus, having your address on the card is a bit big brotherish...
As a point for the Kiwi side, what's the point of having 2 parts to a License, and having to cary both around (for certain things) when the card version shows all you need to know.
Plus, having your address on the card is a bit big brotherish...
peterpsg said:
That's when the roundabout should be either gritted or have a suitably roughed surface, rather than just straight tarseal!
Most of the roads down here are still coarse-chip seal anyway, and other than the snow/ice(or gravel, but I've never seen a gravel roundabout) cases you do actually have to really try quite hard to get a 155bhp AWD Legacy wagon sideways. Generally they just stick stick stick and then depending how you drive it, either understeer or give a gentle 4-wheel drift.
I don't mind the grit when its icy, except that they leave it lying around on the road for weeks afterwards, not only does it flick up everywhere but its a right prick trying to ride in bike lanes when the traffic piles the grit into them.
GravelBen said:
. . . Or perhaps I should just put the hazard lights on so it looks like I'm indicating both ways, and people might stay out of my way?
Get yourself some nice blue neon's to let us know to stay well clear !!!
I do recognize your
technique - 'VECTORING' . . . Just like one of those fan-powered swamp boats 
peterpsg said:
The cycleways are ok over here, but far from Dutch standards.
NZ (Auckland definately!) needs to invest a lot more in cycle/scooter lanes.
I'd much rather ride to work if it's less than say 5 or 6 K's than drive.
NZ (Auckland definately!) needs to invest a lot more in cycle/scooter lanes.
I'd much rather ride to work if it's less than say 5 or 6 K's than drive.
I might think about cycling in Hamilton or ChCh but you would need to have a serious deathwish to cycle in Auckland.
Cycle lanes would just make it easier for the ambulance to locate your corpse and assist the police in measuring the 4x4 tread pattern.
Kiwi XTR2 said:
deathwish to cycle in Auckland.
I found it a thrill to race the buses on the way down to Uni on Symonds St!!!
Still I know what you mean... however, once petrol hits over $2 a litre next year, there will probably be sufficiently few cars on the road so we can spare a lane on the motorway just for pushbikes, horse and cart and the like...
Given the state of the middle east and the demands of the far east I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a $2.00-a-litre price within 3 months!
I wish the government had some backbone or creativity as I'd love to see a push for bio-fuel production and some independence from the Yanks and the middle east. NZ has loads of farmland, plenty of which is underused. I'd be more than happy to plant-out my 5-acres with corn or something similar if I could drive my car to work on it!
It's a win-win-win situation. It's cheaper to produce and sustainable, emits far fewer emissions both in the production phase and in the useage phase, is high octane and you can even drink it!
If poor south American countries can manage why can't we do the same here? Of course the government would just tax the hell out of us and think of other taxes to impose. For instance, you have to pay road user charges for an all eletric vehicle! What's the rego for then? Oh, that's right it's mostly ACC!
I wish the government had some backbone or creativity as I'd love to see a push for bio-fuel production and some independence from the Yanks and the middle east. NZ has loads of farmland, plenty of which is underused. I'd be more than happy to plant-out my 5-acres with corn or something similar if I could drive my car to work on it!
It's a win-win-win situation. It's cheaper to produce and sustainable, emits far fewer emissions both in the production phase and in the useage phase, is high octane and you can even drink it!
If poor south American countries can manage why can't we do the same here? Of course the government would just tax the hell out of us and think of other taxes to impose. For instance, you have to pay road user charges for an all eletric vehicle! What's the rego for then? Oh, that's right it's mostly ACC!
Kiwi XTR2 said:
GravelBen said:
. . . Or perhaps I should just put the hazard lights on so it looks like I'm indicating both ways, and people might stay out of my way?
Get yourself some nice blue neon's to let us know to stay well clear !!!
I do recognize your
technique - 'VECTORING' . . . Just like one of those fan-powered swamp boats Funny you mention swamp boats....my first Subaru tried to be one but ended up as more of a submarine.
peterpsg said:
Kiwi XTR2 said:
deathwish to cycle in Auckland.
I found it a thrill to race the buses on the way down to Uni on Symonds St!!!
Still I know what you mean... however, once petrol hits over $2 a litre next year, there will probably be sufficiently few cars on the road so we can spare a lane on the motorway just for pushbikes, horse and cart and the like...
kylie said:
I took drastic action two months ago. Things arent going to get easier $$ wise, got a better paying job closer to home, my petrol consumption is now a 1/3 of what it used to be. Win win. Your incharge of your own quality of life. I do wish for more cycling lanes though as it would be awesome to bike to work. Still contemplating it when daylight saving kicks back in again, otherwsie I will be wearing NEONS too!!
I presume you'd need to cycle SH18
more than a few knocked off their bikes on that. At least SH16 has a separated cycleway in places. Never been a great fan of on-carriageway cycle lanes for arterials. Not so bad on collector routes
Nope not going on those Rds! To get to Glendene from Westharbour I can go through Royal Heights, across the motorway overbridge down some rd called Tekura? (sp)that hooks up to Triangle Rd to Lincoln Rd. Then wish myself best of luck from there as things will get hectic with westy drivers and all!!
Im confused how traffic could bank up in both directions with the NZ rule. As if the right turning ones couldnt get through (as would be necessary for them to bank up ) The only way it can bank up on the left is if there are pedestrians on a green walk or theres enough traffic to be no room in the next street.
Of course if its busy its possible for both sides to bank up but thats possible no matter what rules your under and id rather have a small amount of congestion on both sides than a huge amount in the middle of the road
If the right turning traffic has to give way to straight ahead traffic the left can go quite legally.
I fail to see the problem with having to watch two cars when your turning right either. You should be looking at more than one car when your at an intersection anyway, whether you have to give way to them or not.
Fully agree on roundabouts, the rules are pretty simple but far to many people dont even appear to know them let alone follow them.
At least our roundabouts dont look like this though
Of course if its busy its possible for both sides to bank up but thats possible no matter what rules your under and id rather have a small amount of congestion on both sides than a huge amount in the middle of the road
If the right turning traffic has to give way to straight ahead traffic the left can go quite legally.
I fail to see the problem with having to watch two cars when your turning right either. You should be looking at more than one car when your at an intersection anyway, whether you have to give way to them or not.
Fully agree on roundabouts, the rules are pretty simple but far to many people dont even appear to know them let alone follow them.
At least our roundabouts dont look like this though
Edited by dejoux on Friday 14th July 07:14
dejoux said:
At least our roundabouts dont look like this though
Man, now I'm homesick - the magic round about was a great test of character and nerves...
As for the giving way topic - I agree entirely with Jamie, it's dangerous and it sucks. I see near misses every day on the turning from the Old Hutt Road onto Tinakori Road in Welly. The problem is that so many people want to turn right onto Tinakori in the morning, that a car turning left ends up holding up so much traffic behind they get impatient and then force their way through. If I'm going stright on, why should I give way to traffic turning across me, just because the car in front wants to turn left?
It won't win (cough, buy, cough) Labour any votes so they won't implement it, and National will be too busy sorting out Labour's mess to implement it, so it might never make it through!
And for the record I haven't had any issues with the rule over here in Aussie- it makes far more sense that the person in the most hazardous situation (turning across traffic) should be forced to wait until the way is clear before proceeding, rather than having to try and read two different traffic streams in the opposite direction (left turning and travelling through).
And for the record I haven't had any issues with the rule over here in Aussie- it makes far more sense that the person in the most hazardous situation (turning across traffic) should be forced to wait until the way is clear before proceeding, rather than having to try and read two different traffic streams in the opposite direction (left turning and travelling through).
Edited by htsd on Saturday 22 July 04:18
htsd said:
And for the record I haven't had any issues with the rule over here in Aussie- it makes far more sense that the person in the most hazardous situation (turning across traffic) should be forced to wait until the way is clear before proceeding, rather than having to try and read two different traffic streams in the opposite direction (left turning and travelling through).
It would make sense…if people obeyed the rule. They don’t.Gassing Station | New Zealand | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff