Pirbright Bends
Discussion
Armchair_Expert said:
Still plenty of roads and routes around the area to drive which are devoid of any enforcement. You cam plan entire routes through the likes of Elstead, Shackleford, Normandy, Seale, Puttenham and Frensham and The Sands where you won't see another human being.
This has been my area of choice for the last 9 years. I just left cruise control on at 40mph, makes the bends moderately interesting in some areas
Glad most of the stupid 30 mph sections have been lifted finally, but what a total waste of money. I see the cameras extend down Grange Road now too.
Typical council isn't it. Piss the public purse up against the wall, not my money gov. Jaw firmly drooped to the floor with a vague expression.
Glad most of the stupid 30 mph sections have been lifted finally, but what a total waste of money. I see the cameras extend down Grange Road now too.
Typical council isn't it. Piss the public purse up against the wall, not my money gov. Jaw firmly drooped to the floor with a vague expression.
Bathroom_Security said:
I just left cruise control on at 40mph, makes the bends moderately interesting in some areas
Glad most of the stupid 30 mph sections have been lifted finally, but what a total waste of money. I see the cameras extend down Grange Road now too.
Typical council isn't it. Piss the public purse up against the wall, not my money gov. Jaw firmly drooped to the floor with a vague expression.
Yep, someone in the council makes it their thing to do and no-one is bothered about it and so it gets done. Glad most of the stupid 30 mph sections have been lifted finally, but what a total waste of money. I see the cameras extend down Grange Road now too.
Typical council isn't it. Piss the public purse up against the wall, not my money gov. Jaw firmly drooped to the floor with a vague expression.
All it ever needed was a speed camera on the offending bends where the majority of crashes has happened and leave the rest alone.
Now I have to follow cars that cannot even do 40mph as any attempt at an overtake will take me over the average limit..
To make things worse the rest of my journey to work that have national speed limits on are also going to be lowered..
Now I have to follow cars that cannot even do 40mph as any attempt at an overtake will take me over the average limit..
To make things worse the rest of my journey to work that have national speed limits on are also going to be lowered..
COLONEL_SMITH said:
All it ever needed was a speed camera on the offending bends where the majority of crashes has happened and leave the rest alone.
Now I have to follow cars that cannot even do 40mph as any attempt at an overtake will take me over the average limit..
To make things worse the rest of my journey to work that have national speed limits on are also going to be lowered..
Pathetic speed camera on the approach to 'offending' bends, so you can get back on the power for correct entry speed and line Now I have to follow cars that cannot even do 40mph as any attempt at an overtake will take me over the average limit..
To make things worse the rest of my journey to work that have national speed limits on are also going to be lowered..
I've made the transition from frustration to capitulation - much less stressful. When dragging along in ridiculous limits, sometimes I lose the will to depress the throttle and my speed slowly decays to 20mph or less. Eventually consciousness returns and I start making some progress again.
Don't take all this authoritarian crap seriously - have a laugh instead
Its been a while since the cameras went live but a few of us at work who use that road are starting to question if they are actually working. I am often caught up quickly despite being bang on 40mph and have even seen overtakes. Has anyone had a ticket from these cameras?
Its not really making it safer as cars are still driving into the trees
Its not really making it safer as cars are still driving into the trees
COLONEL_SMITH said:
Its been a while since the cameras went live but a few of us at work who use that road are starting to question if they are actually working. I am often caught up quickly despite being bang on 40mph and have even seen overtakes. Has anyone had a ticket from these cameras?
Its not really making it safer as cars are still driving into the trees
You are probably up against the average person not understanding average Its not really making it safer as cars are still driving into the trees
And the great belief that is is fine to drive at the limit +10% +2mph (46 mph).People have been crashing into trees there since cars were invented that is never going to change. I remember as a kid in the 60's seeing a ford Anglia wedged a foot off the ground between to 2 trees.
Random_Person said:
No surprise there, easy pickings on a piece of road that contains zero hazards and has had literally no collisions. An uninterrupted stretch of straight road under NSL - great choice.
Speed cameras are intended to reduce speed not accidents.So logically they should be placed at the least hazardous locations where motorists are most likely to exceed speed limits. Even more effective when speed limits are inappropriately low.
Its the opposite, speed enforcement should be evidence led by data, and enforced where the most accidents occur in order to reduce incidents and therefore injuries or fatalities within those areas.
There is no logic to enforcement in an area with zero history of problems, whilst leaving the hot spots unmanaged.
There is no logic to enforcement in an area with zero history of problems, whilst leaving the hot spots unmanaged.
Random_Person said:
Its the opposite, speed enforcement should be evidence led by data, and enforced where the most accidents occur in order to reduce incidents and therefore injuries or fatalities within those areas.
There is no logic to enforcement in an area with zero history of problems, whilst leaving the hot spots unmanaged.
Only if their purpose is to reduce accidents, injuries and deaths. At best, that's only a partial objective. There is no logic to enforcement in an area with zero history of problems, whilst leaving the hot spots unmanaged.
Speed cameras are intended to reduce speed not accidents. This has already been explained by an ex-police contributor.
They are - they are not controlled by police they are run by local authorities and Highways England with proceeds being split and fed back partly to the government and to local constabularies. The locations of them are determined by the areas where the most collisions have occurred, as speed is generally considered a contributory factor to most collisions. This is why they are sometimes seen outside school in 30 zones.
Mobile setups which are operated by officers or static vans which are crewed by civilians are chosen at random and do not need any justification, which is where the danger lies in terms of alienating the public. Cemetry Pales being one such example, an entirely featureless piece of road devoid of junctions, hazards or people in general. Its not far off the analogy of policing an empty motorway at 0300. However one of the reasons these places are used is because there are not many places left without cameras now, and any site chosen by an operative needs to also have sufficient parking and long range visibility.
But don't worry, apparently an ex police contributor (credentials?) has already incorrectly explained all this already.
Mobile setups which are operated by officers or static vans which are crewed by civilians are chosen at random and do not need any justification, which is where the danger lies in terms of alienating the public. Cemetry Pales being one such example, an entirely featureless piece of road devoid of junctions, hazards or people in general. Its not far off the analogy of policing an empty motorway at 0300. However one of the reasons these places are used is because there are not many places left without cameras now, and any site chosen by an operative needs to also have sufficient parking and long range visibility.
But don't worry, apparently an ex police contributor (credentials?) has already incorrectly explained all this already.
Interpret at will.
Ex police officer said:
Ver batim:
If your job is to enforce the speed limit there's little point having a camera van where few people are speeding because topography already limits the possibility to.
Better placed to enforce where lots are speeding.
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It's about enforcing compliance.
The revenue stream is not within the power of the enforcers, it lays with drivers as they are supposedly in control of the vehicle they are driving & it's speed (or they are demonstrating a lack of the required control in it).
You don't speed, you don't pay.
If your job is to enforce the speed limit there's little point having a camera van where few people are speeding because topography already limits the possibility to.
Better placed to enforce where lots are speeding.
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It's about enforcing compliance.
The revenue stream is not within the power of the enforcers, it lays with drivers as they are supposedly in control of the vehicle they are driving & it's speed (or they are demonstrating a lack of the required control in it).
You don't speed, you don't pay.
As has been posted, easy to bypass the cameras (if they are even real - show me the data on fines - easy to erect dummies and demo a reduction in incidents).
The way they are setup across multiple limit changes and junction options has provided easy navigation around them. There is a great route, and probably more, for the enthusiast, that removes any risk of camera capture.
The way they are setup across multiple limit changes and junction options has provided easy navigation around them. There is a great route, and probably more, for the enthusiast, that removes any risk of camera capture.
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