considering G20, advice welcome
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James,
Sorry to hear your first encounter with the GOC was so disappointing, believe me, you met the exception not the rule. If you're at Newark on Saturday please introduce yourself, you'll see we're not all as ignorant as the dinosaur you met.
bccars,
Good luck with the G20 purchase and I hope to meet you at some events in the future. I'll take you up on the offer of a pint.
Cheers, Tony
Sorry to hear your first encounter with the GOC was so disappointing, believe me, you met the exception not the rule. If you're at Newark on Saturday please introduce yourself, you'll see we're not all as ignorant as the dinosaur you met.
bccars,
Good luck with the G20 purchase and I hope to meet you at some events in the future. I'll take you up on the offer of a pint.
Cheers, Tony
Tony,
Unfortunately I can't make newark, i'm moving house, but hope to catch up at another meet. I've just realised it was your G27 build diary which helped me out during my build. I also came very close to buying your g32 for a daily driver after seeing it on ebay, the timing wasn't great for me though.
Anyhow, maybe i will give it another go....
James
Unfortunately I can't make newark, i'm moving house, but hope to catch up at another meet. I've just realised it was your G27 build diary which helped me out during my build. I also came very close to buying your g32 for a daily driver after seeing it on ebay, the timing wasn't great for me though.
Anyhow, maybe i will give it another go....
James
. hi again,
It's quite difficult to describe but as daydreamer has said it is likely to involve crap welding, as in the sump will look like it has had the bottom cut off towards the front of the car and a plate welded over it, and towards the rear had a section of plate welded in where previously there wasnt one. In summary if there are signs of welding on the sump it probably means it has been shoretened and should have been baffled at the same yime.
Did you call Martin? He is really quite helpfull, and if it is factory built he will know.
James.
It's quite difficult to describe but as daydreamer has said it is likely to involve crap welding, as in the sump will look like it has had the bottom cut off towards the front of the car and a plate welded over it, and towards the rear had a section of plate welded in where previously there wasnt one. In summary if there are signs of welding on the sump it probably means it has been shoretened and should have been baffled at the same yime.
Did you call Martin? He is really quite helpfull, and if it is factory built he will know.
James.
Had a look at the G20 this weekend. Let's say it was not in optimal shape. But it was my first Ginetta I ever saw, so I have no reference points and I don't know if these things are normal or not. Needless to say I haven't bought it yet. Seller is going to rectify some of the problems first before I take another look at it again.
-Speedo not working.
-Engine running rich, a lot of black stuff under the backside.
-Engine didn't pull cleanly to the redline on full throttle. It choked on full throttle. So obviously I wasn't impressed by performance.
-brake pedal travel was long, not much brake performance, and car pulled to the left under braking, not impressive either.
-gas pedal is relatively high and close to driver, so heeltoeing isn't easy, not the sort of thing I expected in a track car.
-knocking sound from left front when doing a 90 degree right bend that wasn't noticeable in the steering wheel though.
It is indeed a 2.0 litre Ford engine with programmable fuel injection, which is supposed to make 144 hp according to the papers. Sump seemed modified, but was only about 7 cm above road surface and was noticably lower as the chassis. Positive note, it was a hot day, and the engine idled for 5 - 10 minutes without getting hot, so there seem to be no cooling isues. The exhaust spat out a lot of water after start and some revving. Suspension triangle coating chipped off a lot, didn't see any rust though. Oh yes, and the fuel pump sound is annoying at low speeds ;-)
Nevertheless, in this state, the car is totally inadequate for track and even for road use.
But according to the tech guy I took with me, all these things could be rectified and don't necesseraly indicate a lemon.
Do you guys agree with this assessment?
-Speedo not working.
-Engine running rich, a lot of black stuff under the backside.
-Engine didn't pull cleanly to the redline on full throttle. It choked on full throttle. So obviously I wasn't impressed by performance.
-brake pedal travel was long, not much brake performance, and car pulled to the left under braking, not impressive either.
-gas pedal is relatively high and close to driver, so heeltoeing isn't easy, not the sort of thing I expected in a track car.
-knocking sound from left front when doing a 90 degree right bend that wasn't noticeable in the steering wheel though.
It is indeed a 2.0 litre Ford engine with programmable fuel injection, which is supposed to make 144 hp according to the papers. Sump seemed modified, but was only about 7 cm above road surface and was noticably lower as the chassis. Positive note, it was a hot day, and the engine idled for 5 - 10 minutes without getting hot, so there seem to be no cooling isues. The exhaust spat out a lot of water after start and some revving. Suspension triangle coating chipped off a lot, didn't see any rust though. Oh yes, and the fuel pump sound is annoying at low speeds ;-)
Nevertheless, in this state, the car is totally inadequate for track and even for road use.
But according to the tech guy I took with me, all these things could be rectified and don't necesseraly indicate a lemon.
Do you guys agree with this assessment?
-Speedo not working.
Quite standard, it will be the transducer mounting bracket taken a knock i expect or the bolts worked loose, mine used to do this regularly until i fixed it properly. Adjust the two nuts on the transducer to move the sensor cloer to the disc (sandwiched between the prop and the diff) it should be 2-3mm clearance i think. Five minute job.
-Engine running rich, a lot of black stuff under the backside.
If its got a programmable ecu a rolling road session will tell you what is going on. May be overfuelling slightly, although mine doesn't give out any black smoke, it dis balcken the rear bodywork when it had the rear exit exhaust
-Engine didn't pull cleanly to the redline on full throttle. It choked on full throttle. So obviously I wasn't impressed by performance.
needs mapping probably i expect.
Again rolling road session will sort it.
-brake pedal travel was long, not much brake performance, and car pulled to the left under braking, not impressive either.
pads / discs and bleed? again quite simple job.
-gas pedal is relatively high and close to driver, so heeltoeing isn't easy, not the sort of thing I expected in a track car.
simple to adjust as the throttle pedal is seperate from the pedal box so with ten minutes work and a drill you can have where ever you want.
-knocking sound from left front when doing a 90 degree right bend that wasn't noticeable in the steering wheel though.
check bearing, track rods / ends balljoints, sounds daft but check wheel not catching on bonnet internal web. may need a trim!
It is indeed a 2.0 litre Ford engine with programmable fuel injection, which is supposed to make 144 hp according to the papers. Sump seemed modified, but was only about 7 cm above road surface and was noticably lower as the chassis. Positive note, it was a hot day, and the engine idled for 5 - 10 minutes without getting hot, so there seem to be no cooling isues. The exhaust spat out a lot of water after start and some revving.
This will be condensation from the cat. Nothing to worry about.
Suspension triangle coating chipped off a lot, didn't see any rust though. Oh yes, and the fuel pump sound is annoying at low speeds ;-)
Coating can be a bit dodgey on them all i'm afarid, but compare it to a catheram, i think you might be suprised....
Fuel pump annoying? Maybe you shouldn't be buying such a hardcore car if you are concerned about this?!
Nevertheless, in this state, the car is totally inadequate for track and even for road use.
But according to the tech guy I took with me, all these things could be rectified and don't necesseraly indicate a lemon.
Do you guys agree with this assessment?[/quote]
always difficult to asses without seeing the car. If it's no the one for you don't settle for second best. Buy one in the uk and import it, it may even work out cheaper.....
Fuel pump didn't annoy me, hence the ;-)
But it did drive my tech friend crazy, which shows that this isn't a car for everyones taste.
But it sure is for my tast!
I'm happy to see you agree with my tech friend that most things are easily remedied.
But it did drive my tech friend crazy, which shows that this isn't a car for everyones taste.
But it sure is for my tast!
I'm happy to see you agree with my tech friend that most things are easily remedied.
jamesg20 said:
Fuel pump annoying? Maybe you shouldn't be buying such a hardcore car if you are concerned about this?!
always difficult to asses without seeing the car. If it's no the one for you don't settle for second best. Buy one in the uk and import it, it may even work out cheaper.....
Now that you mention it. It is Benny's former car. So he most definitely will have all the answers.
Thanks for the eye opener.
Thanks for the eye opener.
ginettag27 said:
I would recommend getting in touch with Martin at Ginetta Cars and he can put you in touch with Benny Smets, the other Ginetta Director who is based near Leuven in Belgium. He should be able to help you out with all your questions and in sourcing a vehicle.
Hi,
I have just registered on this forum.
I live in Belgium and own 2 Ginettas ... first one is a G27 S2 (95% complete and not yet registered) and the other one is a G27 S3 (imported from UK, CORRECTLY registered in Belgium and used regularly).
I also own a Midas Gold Coupe for everyday use (imported and registered).
Perhaps I can help you in a way or another.
Feel free to contact me.
Stefano
PS : I speak french, a little bit of english and italian ... but not dutch (sorry)
I have just registered on this forum.
I live in Belgium and own 2 Ginettas ... first one is a G27 S2 (95% complete and not yet registered) and the other one is a G27 S3 (imported from UK, CORRECTLY registered in Belgium and used regularly).
I also own a Midas Gold Coupe for everyday use (imported and registered).
Perhaps I can help you in a way or another.
Feel free to contact me.
Stefano
PS : I speak french, a little bit of english and italian ... but not dutch (sorry)
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