Ford Ecoboost Engine Failure (TWICE)
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This is not a leap to say all of Ford cars are problematic.
The horrific treatment of customers is more concerning to me. If things do go bad, Ford are very willing to exploit you for their own failings to the tune of around £5000 on a car with market trade in value of around £7000. Plus make you go without a car for over 6 weeks.
One of those surveys was for cars up to 3 yrs old.... many of the engine failures are within 6 months of the 3 year warranty elapsing.
Engines should last longer than 30k and 5 years. Would you buy a car with the knowledge that it might last for less?
The horrific treatment of customers is more concerning to me. If things do go bad, Ford are very willing to exploit you for their own failings to the tune of around £5000 on a car with market trade in value of around £7000. Plus make you go without a car for over 6 weeks.
One of those surveys was for cars up to 3 yrs old.... many of the engine failures are within 6 months of the 3 year warranty elapsing.
Engines should last longer than 30k and 5 years. Would you buy a car with the knowledge that it might last for less?
Ecoboost victim said:
It is dangerous because there is very commonly no warning at all for what happens.
So much the same as many other engine failures then. How many people have been killed or injured due to the incredible amount of danger?If customers are genuinely being treated badly (as opposed to being unreasonable) then Ford deserve to get some exposure. However, resorting to mumsnet style hyperbole does your credibility no favours at all.
Ecoboost victim said:
This is not a leap to say all of Ford cars are problematic.
That is a massive leap, actually - Ford make & sell around 2.5 million vehicles a year, are you trying to say they all have a problem? Where are all these piles of broken cars? Compared to VWs diesel fiasco?Ecoboost Victim said:
The horrific treatment of customers is more concerning to me. If things do go bad, Ford are very willing to exploit you for their own failings to the tune of around £5000 on a car with market trade in value of around £7000. Plus make you go without a car for over 6 weeks.
So what you have is a customer service problem; that may be with Ford, or it may be with the supplying dealer, but it doesn't mean there's an inherent engineering problem with all the cars sold. The early issues with the poor coolant pipe have been resolved. I agree with Mr2Mike - focus on the real problem & address that.Ok, i didn't make it clear.
I never made a leap of faith as accused on here and i never thought all Ford cars are problematic.
As for my credentials...
I've been a member of the ecoboost group for a year and have helped 100's of people work through the weeks of fighting it takes to get fair treatment from Ford.... i.e. a free engine replacement which Ford quote between £4000 and £5500.
As such i know the fine detail of 100's of engine failures and how they happened. Only yesterday somebody reported a failure after having the degas hose recall completed last Oct. The degas hose does not stop engine failures. It is only one particular point in the coolant system that has failed amongst many. Each time the engine over heats within seconds cracking the cylinder head and damaging cylinder walls.
So i know a lot of technical details about the 1.0 litre ecoboost engine and its design flaw. Also the systematic fowl treatment of 100's of people that Ford try to force to pay for their failure to design an engine with sufficient systems in place to prevent the engine failure.
If you want to see the group for yourself search for...
FordEcoboostNightmare
I never made a leap of faith as accused on here and i never thought all Ford cars are problematic.
As for my credentials...
I've been a member of the ecoboost group for a year and have helped 100's of people work through the weeks of fighting it takes to get fair treatment from Ford.... i.e. a free engine replacement which Ford quote between £4000 and £5500.
As such i know the fine detail of 100's of engine failures and how they happened. Only yesterday somebody reported a failure after having the degas hose recall completed last Oct. The degas hose does not stop engine failures. It is only one particular point in the coolant system that has failed amongst many. Each time the engine over heats within seconds cracking the cylinder head and damaging cylinder walls.
So i know a lot of technical details about the 1.0 litre ecoboost engine and its design flaw. Also the systematic fowl treatment of 100's of people that Ford try to force to pay for their failure to design an engine with sufficient systems in place to prevent the engine failure.
If you want to see the group for yourself search for...
FordEcoboostNightmare
Ecoboost victim said:
Ok, i didn't make it clear.
I never made a leap of faith as accused on here and i never thought all Ford cars are problematic.
As for my credentials...
I've been a member of the ecoboost group for a year and have helped 100's of people work through the weeks of fighting it takes to get fair treatment from Ford.... i.e. a free engine replacement which Ford quote between £4000 and £5500.
As such i know the fine detail of 100's of engine failures and how they happened. Only yesterday somebody reported a failure after having the degas hose recall completed last Oct. The degas hose does not stop engine failures. It is only one particular point in the coolant system that has failed amongst many. Each time the engine over heats within seconds cracking the cylinder head and damaging cylinder walls.
So i know a lot of technical details about the 1.0 litre ecoboost engine and its design flaw. Also the systematic fowl treatment of 100's of people that Ford try to force to pay for their failure to design an engine with sufficient systems in place to prevent the engine failure.
If you want to see the group for yourself search for...
FordEcoboostNightmare
Funny thing is Econoost Victim, Ford build cars like the 1.0 eco boost because customer tell them they want them. They say the want more economical vehicles that are cheaper to run, smaller engines are more economically than bigger engines, and too make it warm up faster to make it even more economical, Ford made the exhaust manifold integral to the cylinder head. This gets the engine and after treatment up to temperature a lot faster and improves economy.I never made a leap of faith as accused on here and i never thought all Ford cars are problematic.
As for my credentials...
I've been a member of the ecoboost group for a year and have helped 100's of people work through the weeks of fighting it takes to get fair treatment from Ford.... i.e. a free engine replacement which Ford quote between £4000 and £5500.
As such i know the fine detail of 100's of engine failures and how they happened. Only yesterday somebody reported a failure after having the degas hose recall completed last Oct. The degas hose does not stop engine failures. It is only one particular point in the coolant system that has failed amongst many. Each time the engine over heats within seconds cracking the cylinder head and damaging cylinder walls.
So i know a lot of technical details about the 1.0 litre ecoboost engine and its design flaw. Also the systematic fowl treatment of 100's of people that Ford try to force to pay for their failure to design an engine with sufficient systems in place to prevent the engine failure.
If you want to see the group for yourself search for...
FordEcoboostNightmare
The down side of small engines is they have small water jackets. That makes care on the person using the vehicle important, if the temperature starts to rise, turn it off immediately and do not drive it.
Guess what? You proved Ford’s research about what customers what correct because you bought one.
If your not bothered by fuel consumption go and buy something older with less technology that is going to be less expensive if it goes wrong.
I'm spending time writing here to help all those affected by this scandal. I don't need to answer to anybody here, especially when they know less about this issue than me. This is not a pathetic individual anti Ford rant to let off steam and make them look bad, Ford have done that for themselves, this is an effort to spread the word and increase understanding.
Mr2Mike like the humour! thank you for lighting this thread sadly littered with less a than open-minded comments.
Ford have built a car that doesn't have a coolant level sensor, and the coolant is running at such a high temperature and pressure that a small hole in the parts of system can result in rapid loss of coolant so fast that the temperature guage often doesnt register it, and many engine failures are without any audible or visual warning. Often people have been driving around with lower than the minimum coolant and didn't know it, which must obviously be slower leaks.
The 1.6 litre in Jan 2018 was recalled for safety to fit a range of components, inc a level sensor, cylinder head and associated new wiring loom. This was due to the same coolant loss and an associated risk of fire. So I'm not surprised to hear somebody getting rid of a 3 yr old 1.6 litre that needed coolant top ups.
There is more I can say, but this is enough for now. The immanent group action to be published soon will be open for a while to allow people to join who have been left out of pocket by this scandal.
For all those reading this that are affected, please visit the face book page:
FordEcoboostNightmare
Mr2Mike like the humour! thank you for lighting this thread sadly littered with less a than open-minded comments.
Ford have built a car that doesn't have a coolant level sensor, and the coolant is running at such a high temperature and pressure that a small hole in the parts of system can result in rapid loss of coolant so fast that the temperature guage often doesnt register it, and many engine failures are without any audible or visual warning. Often people have been driving around with lower than the minimum coolant and didn't know it, which must obviously be slower leaks.
The 1.6 litre in Jan 2018 was recalled for safety to fit a range of components, inc a level sensor, cylinder head and associated new wiring loom. This was due to the same coolant loss and an associated risk of fire. So I'm not surprised to hear somebody getting rid of a 3 yr old 1.6 litre that needed coolant top ups.
There is more I can say, but this is enough for now. The immanent group action to be published soon will be open for a while to allow people to join who have been left out of pocket by this scandal.
For all those reading this that are affected, please visit the face book page:
FordEcoboostNightmare
Ecoboost victim said:
I'm spending time writing here to help all those affected by this scandal. I don't need to answer to anybody here, especially when they know less about this issue than me. This is not a pathetic individual anti Ford rant to let off steam and make them look bad, Ford have done that for themselves, this is an effort to spread the word and increase understanding.
Mr2Mike like the humour! thank you for lighting this thread sadly littered with less a than open-minded comments.
Ford have built a car that doesn't have a coolant level sensor, and the coolant is running at such a high temperature and pressure that a small hole in the parts of system can result in rapid loss of coolant so fast that the temperature guage often doesnt register it, and many engine failures are without any audible or visual warning. Often people have been driving around with lower than the minimum coolant and didn't know it, which must obviously be slower leaks.
The 1.6 litre in Jan 2018 was recalled for safety to fit a range of components, inc a level sensor, cylinder head and associated new wiring loom. This was due to the same coolant loss and an associated risk of fire. So I'm not surprised to hear somebody getting rid of a 3 yr old 1.6 litre that needed coolant top ups.
There is more I can say, but this is enough for now. The immanent group action to be published soon will be open for a while to allow people to join who have been left out of pocket by this scandal.
For all those reading this that are affected, please visit the face book page:
FordEcoboostNightmare
This bit sums it up for me.Mr2Mike like the humour! thank you for lighting this thread sadly littered with less a than open-minded comments.
Ford have built a car that doesn't have a coolant level sensor, and the coolant is running at such a high temperature and pressure that a small hole in the parts of system can result in rapid loss of coolant so fast that the temperature guage often doesnt register it, and many engine failures are without any audible or visual warning. Often people have been driving around with lower than the minimum coolant and didn't know it, which must obviously be slower leaks.
The 1.6 litre in Jan 2018 was recalled for safety to fit a range of components, inc a level sensor, cylinder head and associated new wiring loom. This was due to the same coolant loss and an associated risk of fire. So I'm not surprised to hear somebody getting rid of a 3 yr old 1.6 litre that needed coolant top ups.
There is more I can say, but this is enough for now. The immanent group action to be published soon will be open for a while to allow people to join who have been left out of pocket by this scandal.
For all those reading this that are affected, please visit the face book page:
FordEcoboostNightmare
People are simply not checking their levels regularly and relying on the temp gauge or warning messages to tell them something is wrong. By this time, it may well be too late. Modern temp gauges are electronic linked to the ECU and will sit at the middle until the temperature falls outside its operating range when they can shoot straight into the red and then it's curtains for the engine.
How many of your group have even lifted the bonnet between services? ANY reduction in coolant levels MUST be investigated immediately and not driven until remedied and not simply when it's convenient.
I'm an ex owner from the early ecoboost days and a simple bit of research would reveal that these engines run very hot and will be prone to failure if coolant is allowed to drop below the minimum mark. i would say that catastrophic, unexpected failure with no prior symptoms (like low coolant levels or a slow leak) are rare. Ask your group honestly if they do weekly checks on their cars and actually bothered with noticing a slight drop in their coolant level.
I've been driving for over 20 years and never once checked the coolant level on a car. I'm currently on my second Ecoboost but I like living on the edge.
I do check the oil but it's not used any in the 7000 miles I've had it for so far, same can't be said for the Audi TFSi on the drive.
I do check the oil but it's not used any in the 7000 miles I've had it for so far, same can't be said for the Audi TFSi on the drive.
janesmith1950 said:
Modern cars shouldn't need weekly fluid checks. They should have systems in place to warn when there is a problem.
This is not the 1980s.
Why not? Along with checking tyre pressures and wear a five minute check will potentially highlight a future problem. Do you rely on the oil pressure light to tell you to top up the oil? Not all cars have onboard indicators and supply a dipstick. Most manuals will also tell you to check your fluids periodically.This is not the 1980s.
It's good practice and as a few ecoboost owners have found out, it may have saved them an engine.
valiant said:
Why not? Along with checking tyre pressures and wear a five minute check will potentially highlight a future problem. Do you rely on the oil pressure light to tell you to top up the oil? Not all cars have onboard indicators and supply a dipstick. Most manuals will also tell you to check your fluids periodically.
It's good practice and as a few ecoboost owners have found out, it may have saved them an engine.
Except it isn't a five minute check to check as diligently as you suggest, and duplicates the job of sensors. It's good practice and as a few ecoboost owners have found out, it may have saved them an engine.
The actual problem seems to be a loss of coolant leads rapidly to engine failure. Inherent in the engine I suspect, and thus avoidable fairly simply- for example, excessive coolant temp puts the car into limp mode or just sounds an alarm.
Agree that regular checking is sensible, but modern cars shoudl need no more than monthly checks.
This thread is getting a bit old now..
IIRC Rover introduced coolant level sensors in some of the later K-series. I presume they aren't expensive.
I wouldn't expect a modern engine to use coolant. I owned a Rover, so I'm in the habit of checking. Many owners won't be, and some cars aren't easy to check anyway.
Given the propensity of the Ecoboost to melt when low on coolant, I think Ford should have fitted a coolant level sensor. Probably the accountants said no.
IIRC Rover introduced coolant level sensors in some of the later K-series. I presume they aren't expensive.
I wouldn't expect a modern engine to use coolant. I owned a Rover, so I'm in the habit of checking. Many owners won't be, and some cars aren't easy to check anyway.
Given the propensity of the Ecoboost to melt when low on coolant, I think Ford should have fitted a coolant level sensor. Probably the accountants said no.
Who checks tyre pressures anymore? The car does it for you these days. Mind you if I had an ecoboost engine I would be fitting an aftermarket coolant level sensor. To let you know how bad these engines are a leading garage chain has a standard order for ecoboost 1.0 litre engines with a large vehicle dismantlers. They can't get enough of them to satisfy the demand!
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