Test Drove an Mondeo ST TDCI and ST220 today, now quesitons

[MElliottUk]

ST TDCI, is a great car, 3rd gear it really goes.

The best car i have had as i hire car. 45mpg too i got.

Whens the Focus ST TDCI going to come out, ford would make lots of money with that car.

[Podie]

damian s said:

Witchfinder said:

damian s said:

Agreed its not slow, but its behind the other cars of around that bhp bracket, ie imprezza, s2000, audi s3, seat cupra R, fiat coupe turbo, civic type R, V6 clio.

Almost all of which are much smaller, lighter hatchbacks or sportscars. The only one near is the Impreza, and on the road, I doubt the WRX would be much quicker than the Mondeo. Arguing "BHP bracket" is meaningless unless you're talking about vehicles in the same weight or class.

so what other cars are there in that bracket? maybe

bmw 330ci limited to 155mph 0-60 6.3
audi A4 3.2 quattro, limited to 155mph 0-60 6.2

or perhaps a heavy old jaguar x-type
3.0 146mph 0-60 6.6

Factor in equipment levels and running costs...

[NST]

Podie said:

damian s said:

Witchfinder said:

damian s said:

Agreed its not slow, but its behind the other cars of around that bhp bracket, ie imprezza, s2000, audi s3, seat cupra R, fiat coupe turbo, civic type R, V6 clio.

Almost all of which are much smaller, lighter hatchbacks or sportscars. The only one near is the Impreza, and on the road, I doubt the WRX would be much quicker than the Mondeo. Arguing "BHP bracket" is meaningless unless you're talking about vehicles in the same weight or class.

so what other cars are there in that bracket? maybe

bmw 330ci limited to 155mph 0-60 6.3
audi A4 3.2 quattro, limited to 155mph 0-60 6.2

or perhaps a heavy old jaguar x-type
3.0 146mph 0-60 6.6

Factor in equipment levels and running costs...

most definitely, BMW and Audi will have much more expensive running costs.

I have carried out some rolling acceleration tests between a 330 ci and my ST220 when i had it.

my cus got his 330 about 9 months before i got my ST, and he had already raced his car with his friends 220 and concluded that from a traffic light GP the 330 is quicker, but from a rolling start both cars are identical. his only comment was that above 100 the ST was able to ever so slightly pull out a gap of 1 car up to 140ish. i don't condone such driving but that was his own views.

my test against his 330 was the same, acceleration from a rolling start showed both cars to be very similar in performance.

The audi 3.0 (not 3.2) on the other hand is slightly slower, but not much.

all three are nice, but the Ford will be a cheaper car to run (with the exception of buying front tyres every 12K)

Edited by NST on Thursday 26th April 14:51

[Witchfinder]

damian s said:

so what other cars are there in that bracket? maybe

bmw 330ci limited to 155mph 0-60 6.3
audi A4 3.2 quattro, limited to 155mph 0-60 6.2

or perhaps a heavy old jaguar x-type
3.0 146mph 0-60 6.6

All of which cost significantly more for a similarly equipped car or simlar age, mileage and condition, and have more powerful engines. As for the Jag - it's a similar engine, but in a higher state of tune - it's all about marketing.

[Dave_ST220]

Witchfinder said:

damian s said:

so what other cars are there in that bracket? maybe

bmw 330ci limited to 155mph 0-60 6.3
audi A4 3.2 quattro, limited to 155mph 0-60 6.2

or perhaps a heavy old jaguar x-type
3.0 146mph 0-60 6.6

All of which cost significantly more for a similarly equipped car or simlar age, mileage and condition, and have more powerful engines. As for the Jag - it's a similar engine, but in a higher state of tune - it's all about marketing.

Exactly-my 220 has every option(Sat nav, Xenons, sunroof, privacy glass,parking sensors,heavy duty battery, bluetooth voice control,heated rear seats,then you have all the toys the Ford has as STANDARD-rain sensors, auto lights, puddle lights.............etc ect) & was delivered via transporter to my door for £21K Technically second owner but i've had it since new The Jag has variable cam timing btw, and the 220 will usually dyno at 235BHP+ as standard

[dern]

Witchfinder said:

I doubt the WRX would be much quicker than the Mondeo.

That's not quite true. On an empty road with a sane driver it would be but in the impreza you have many many more overtaking opportunities. You can make up a hell of a lot of time but only if the mondeo gets stuck behind the wrong sort of traffic on the wrong sort of time.

We have an old impreza and and old mondeo v6.

[Dave_ST220]

dern said:

Witchfinder said:

I doubt the WRX would be much quicker than the Mondeo.

That's not quite true. On an empty road with a sane driver it would be but in the impreza you have many many more overtaking opportunities. You can make up a hell of a lot of time but only if the mondeo gets stuck behind the wrong sort of traffic on the wrong sort of time.

We have an old impreza and and old mondeo v6.

Old Mondeo V6 or old Mondeo ST220?

[nebby]

dern said:

Witchfinder said:

I doubt the WRX would be much quicker than the Mondeo.

That's not quite true. On an empty road with a sane driver it would be but in the impreza you have many many more overtaking opportunities. You can make up a hell of a lot of time but only if the mondeo gets stuck behind the wrong sort of traffic on the wrong sort of time.

We have an old impreza and and old mondeo v6.

You must be driving an old V6 or its knackered because with 220 bhp i don't get stuck behind any wrong traffic or the wrong time!

[dern]

Dave_ST220 said:

dern said:

Witchfinder said:

I doubt the WRX would be much quicker than the Mondeo.

That's not quite true. On an empty road with a sane driver it would be but in the impreza you have many many more overtaking opportunities. You can make up a hell of a lot of time but only if the mondeo gets stuck behind the wrong sort of traffic on the wrong sort of time.

We have an old impreza and and old mondeo v6.

Old Mondeo V6 or old Mondeo ST220?

Old v6.

[dern]

nebby said:

You must be driving an old V6 or its knackered because with 220 bhp i don't get stuck behind any wrong traffic or the wrong time!

It is an old v6 but they are also a fair bit lighter than the later cars. It would take some convincing for me to believe that a mondeo would be as effective an overtaking car as any impreza. If you've used both regularly then that would go some way.

[Dave_ST220]

dern said:

Dave_ST220 said:

dern said:

Witchfinder said:

I doubt the WRX would be much quicker than the Mondeo.

That's not quite true. On an empty road with a sane driver it would be but in the impreza you have many many more overtaking opportunities. You can make up a hell of a lot of time but only if the mondeo gets stuck behind the wrong sort of traffic on the wrong sort of time.

We have an old impreza and and old mondeo v6.

Old Mondeo V6 or old Mondeo ST220?

Old v6.

Doh! The 220 is MUCH quicker than any ST24, ST200 or standard V6! I think a lot of people really need to drive one tbh. Once it's up & running(well, it's not that slow to 60 tbh!!!) it's quikcer than a Focus ST, constant power band-each gear change sticks you back at maximum torque!! I also have an old V6, i thought it may have given the 220 a run for it's money-NO CHANCE!!!

[Dave_ST220]

dern said:

nebby said:

You must be driving an old V6 or its knackered because with 220 bhp i don't get stuck behind any wrong traffic or the wrong time!

It is an old v6 but they are also a fair bit lighter than the later cars. It would take some convincing for me to believe that a mondeo would be as effective an overtaking car as any impreza. If you've used both regularly then that would go some way.

I have a Mk1-it feels like a bus compared to the 220. Handling is light years away, engine response and power is also way off-and mine is modded to around 185BHP! Go drive a 220-me thinks you'll be surprised. What was it clarkson said? "one of britons most under rated cars....."


Mk1 V6 weighs 1419 in Ghia X form(5 door hatch-what i have)-the 220 weighs 1485 (4 door saloon). That's a 66Kg difference. Comparing the 220 Estate to the saloon there is a 64Kg difference & that makes next to no difference on the performance figures.

Edited by Dave_ST220 on Friday 27th April 10:15

[dern]

Dave_ST220 said:

I have a Mk1-it feels like a bus compared to the 220. Handling is light years away, engine response and power is also way off-and mine is modded to around 185BHP! Go drive a 220-me thinks you'll be surprised. What was it clarkson said? "one of britons most under rated cars....."


Mk1 V6 weighs 1419 in Ghia X form(5 door hatch-what i have)-the 220 weighs 1485 (4 door saloon). That's a 66Kg difference. Comparing the 220 Estate to the saloon there is a 64Kg difference & that makes next to no difference on the performance figures.

Ours is a mk2 but I understand the point. Sounds interesting though and the wife definitely wants another one when she kills this one. I'll stick with my impreza though I think

[Podie]

dern said:

Dave_ST220 said:

I have a Mk1-it feels like a bus compared to the 220. Handling is light years away, engine response and power is also way off-and mine is modded to around 185BHP! Go drive a 220-me thinks you'll be surprised. What was it clarkson said? "one of britons most under rated cars....."


Mk1 V6 weighs 1419 in Ghia X form(5 door hatch-what i have)-the 220 weighs 1485 (4 door saloon). That's a 66Kg difference. Comparing the 220 Estate to the saloon there is a 64Kg difference & that makes next to no difference on the performance figures.

Ours is a mk2 but I understand the point. Sounds interesting though and the wife definitely wants another one when she kills this one. I'll stick with my impreza though I think

I have the benefit of revised suspension and a few more ponies (in theory at least)...

[Dave_ST220]

dern said:

Dave_ST220 said:

I have a Mk1-it feels like a bus compared to the 220. Handling is light years away, engine response and power is also way off-and mine is modded to around 185BHP! Go drive a 220-me thinks you'll be surprised. What was it clarkson said? "one of britons most under rated cars....."


Mk1 V6 weighs 1419 in Ghia X form(5 door hatch-what i have)-the 220 weighs 1485 (4 door saloon). That's a 66Kg difference. Comparing the 220 Estate to the saloon there is a 64Kg difference & that makes next to no difference on the performance figures.

Ours is a mk2 but I understand the point. Sounds interesting though and the wife definitely wants another one when she kills this one. I'll stick with my impreza though I think

Try it-you may be surprised

[mondayo]

gwatson said:

flasher said:

My recaros dont squeak in the Focus and afaik they aren't any different. I would advise you to look as newer STdci as possible as when I looked the later ones had better seats.

I won't be getting one until the summer is over, want at least one more summer in the Z4. But I'll be looking for a 56 or 07 plate, so hopefully the problem will be resolved, although thinking about it the one I drove was a 06 and it was very squeaky. Maybe some silicone based lubricant under the seat would help ??

Well, you'd be daft to buy one at the moment anyway (in my opinion) as the new Mondeo is coming out soon, and so once it has, the used prices of the current on should drop a fair bit....thus making it even more of a second hand bargain.

[Dave_ST220]

I wouldn't bank on the ST's dropping as much as some may think,the new Mondeo is also not going to be as heavily discounted as the MK3 was(much like the FST & S Max). You'd also be a fool to by a Mk4 for 12-18 monts IMO The again i'm a fool who brought a brand new ST220 but that's what i wanted and i'm more than happy

[Tigger747]

I just ordered my st tdci, they a great car to drive looking fore would to getting it,