Discussion
900T-R said:
TA14 said:
When trying to design a compact, lightweight sports car the last thing you want is a V6 with a V8 crankshaft.
Good point, well made, forgot about that one. 
The remark was more about general configuration/capacity/output.
RichardD said:
Powertec !?
Let me rephrase that, a small V8 that isn't derived from a bike or full race engine. Our cars aren't that light, and 20,000 mile or so 'refresh' intervals would make the Speed 6 look like an old school Merc diesel for lack of fussiness by comparison. 
The Yamaha engine that Volvo used to have to have would be quite acceptable(but how long before it gets too expensive to re-certify it for new emissions regulations), or how about an N/A version of the 3.8 litre Macca lump?
900T-R said:
Let me rephrase that, a small V8 that isn't derived from a bike or full race engine. Our cars aren't that light, and 20,000 mile or so 'refresh' intervals would make the Speed 6 look like an old school Merc diesel for lack of fussiness by comparison.
Although that might be a problem. I remember Jonathan Palmer choosing a car engine for his race school cars for that reason.TA14 said:
900T-R said:
how about an N/A version of the 3.8 litre Macca lump?
I thought about that but there are probably too many problems: will Mc sell them to TVR? At what cost? and finally I think that the capacity is too big.900T-R said:
...The Yamaha engine that Volvo used to have to have would be quite acceptable(but how long before it gets too expensive to re-certify it for new emissions regulations), or how about an N/A version of the 3.8 litre Macca lump?
Emissions confuse me in that I'm not sure of what levels of regs need to be passed for new low volume cars.The roadcar V8 that has always impressed me the most in regards to cc, power, torque and physical size/weight was one that went into something called a 'TVR Cerbera'. Generally 4.2 or 4.5 I believe, AJP something or other...
If anyone else has heard of that
ChilliWhizz said:
Meanwhile, in a secret shed.......
Never underestimate the power of shed ! Back to brainstorming...
How about a TVR 4*4 with a trailer?
Or a TVR car transporter?
Both wouldn't be anything special and they would be very expensive
But they would both come with an all electric sports car
4WD, torque vectoring, brake steer, 4WS, the lot. Development through a crack team of shed engineers with a level of performance that no other non aero car could match (**)
Not sure about the battery range, hence the 4*4 or the transporter
. ** I'm probably describing the R36 GTR aren't I !
If you are looking to buy in engines I quite like AMG lumps, what about the 4 pot turbo for a entry level spiritual successor to the M & S. Then the 6.3 V8 as the bad boy.
Not got a clue what they would cost to buy in, but must be cheaper then in house at this stage?
I realise they are German and not British......
Not got a clue what they would cost to buy in, but must be cheaper then in house at this stage?
I realise they are German and not British......
I for one would never buy a TVR with a German engine. I worked in Germany for a while and made many friends, but I'm a bit old skool, and that just isn't right. I've owned BMW and Mercedes, and recently I've been thinking about getting a 996 turbo to keep beastie company (and me dry in the winter), so nothing against German cars, but in a TVR? Not for me.....
HarryW said:
If you are looking to buy in engines I quite like AMG lumps, what about the 4 pot turbo for a entry level spiritual successor to the M & S. Then the 6.3 V8 as the bad boy.
Not got a clue what they would cost to buy in, but must be cheaper then in house at this stage?
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Look for a recent GG topic, or Google 'why are US crate engines so cheap', a PH'er wonders why he would have needed to pay £50k for an AMG unit !! Not got a clue what they would cost to buy in, but must be cheaper then in house at this stage?
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RichardD said:
ChilliWhizz said:
Meanwhile, in a secret shed.......
Never underestimate the power of shed ! Back to brainstorming...
How about a TVR 4*4 with a trailer?
Or a TVR car transporter?
Both wouldn't be anything special and they would be very expensive
But they would both come with an all electric sports car
4WD, torque vectoring, brake steer, 4WS, the lot. Development through a crack team of shed engineers with a level of performance that no other non aero car could match (**)
Not sure about the battery range, hence the 4*4 or the transporter
. ** I'm probably describing the R36 GTR aren't I !
Take one Rangie Classic (the best SUV) and add one TVR 5L engine (the best RV8).
Job jobbed.
RichardD said:
Emissions confuse me in that I'm not sure of what levels of regs need to be passed for new low volume cars.
Emissions regulations are the same for all manufacturers, i.e. Euro 6 from this year on, then probably 2017-2018 everyone will have to jump through the next hoop which will in all probability be called something imaginative like 'Euro 7'...It's stuff like airbags, DSC et al that is not part of any type approval but de facto compulsory as the result of an agreement between the EU and the Association of European Car Manufacturers - that is, if you're a member thereof...
I think TVR already phased out the AJP8 before Euro 4 was coming into effect.
I'd wager to guess redesigning it for Euro 6 and beyond would be akin to starting with a clean sheet.As an aside, while I love its compactness and response I don't feel it's a particularly nice sounding V8, the S6 makes a better noise as far as I'm concerned.
350Matt said:
Chaps
C'mon it'll be a cheap V8
Jaguar will be too expensive
we'll talking a Ford or GM V8
I`d put money on that as well. And why not.C'mon it'll be a cheap V8
Jaguar will be too expensive
we'll talking a Ford or GM V8
Each to their own but for me i wouldnt want anything else other than a V8 and the LS would fit the bill very nicely indeed thank you very much.
HarryW said:
A Crate Ford V8 would demonstrate a true lineage to the Original jack Griffith 200/400, it would stand up to scrutiny on the marketing front well IMHO.
It's funny, 350matt is almost certainly correct, but I still think of Ford engines being much more classy than GM ones. The LS is probably the finest bang for buck engine on the planet and it's very hard to knock. They have cooking Vortecs up to hand built, blue printed monsters.
But, Ford's heritage is superior, from Le Mans winning engines, F1 winning engines, one of the finest muscle car engines that found its way into Cobras, Tivs etc. the JLR AJ range, all the engines they build for Aston and not forgetting the history of the likes of Cosworth.
The Coyote unit would get my vote.
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