2017 TVR predicted pricing
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V8 GRF said:
Tvr Power said:
V8 GRF said:
The comments we printed in Sprint from Les about the iStream project indicate that the only 'factory' required is a a suitably sized modern unit with clear space in a location with good transport links. There are many of those available and they are in discussions over a few premises.
All the design elements are clearly in place and very few (if any) manufacturers with any sense show their designs until they're ready to break cover.
Legislation compliance for the low volume niche they're in is achievable in a straightforward manner at sensible levels of investment.
All the design elements are clearly in place and very few (if any) manufacturers with any sense show their designs until they're ready to break cover.
Legislation compliance for the low volume niche they're in is achievable in a straightforward manner at sensible levels of investment.
You should have been a politician ! Simple question please answer my concerns above
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Gazzab said:
I suspect that the car will be circa £60/65K for the basic spec and that they will release more expensive cars shortly thereafter ie same basic car but with higher bhp, enhanced brakes and damping... These cars will likely be disproportionately more expensive.
I wish them luck and hope that they can get a car launched, that it lives up to what most of us want, that they can sell a bucket full and that they turn a decent profit.
Would also be great to see a TVR race series based on the road cars. Maybe with the older TVRs providing a support race/series.
Agree, although I hope the 'poverty spec lower power version' has at least 450hp, otherwise I'd be disappointed. It also has to have the violence in delivering it like a Cerbera under WOT too.........I wish them luck and hope that they can get a car launched, that it lives up to what most of us want, that they can sell a bucket full and that they turn a decent profit.
Would also be great to see a TVR race series based on the road cars. Maybe with the older TVRs providing a support race/series.
What does 450bhp in an analogue car give you over the last of the tvr models. The latest cars keep delivering improved performance through improved gearbox tech. Even for radical to deliver shattering performance in the RXC they've gone paddle shift. There's a lot of blanks here that need to be filled before this becomes a real proposition.
m4tti said:
What does 450bhp in an analogue car give you over the last of the tvr models.
50bhp Actually less than that, but Harry said at least 450. He means it has to be an upgrade. Not sure I buy the flappy paddle and other transmission tech arguments. As I've said before, if it has better power to weight, looks and driver involvement than other cars in its price range then there's its niche right there.
A fast changing gearbox makes a huge difference in the actual real life acceleration numbers for 0-60 and the like, it does not make a difference on the in gear acceleration obviously.
I have been battling it out with a paddle shift car on track many a time, faster in gear acceleration in the Cerb but say a 911 turbo or a Ferrari pulls out 10 yards or more on every gear change which then gets reeled back in between gear changes. If the Cerb had a paddle shift I would be past them without any issue.
I have been battling it out with a paddle shift car on track many a time, faster in gear acceleration in the Cerb but say a 911 turbo or a Ferrari pulls out 10 yards or more on every gear change which then gets reeled back in between gear changes. If the Cerb had a paddle shift I would be past them without any issue.
m4tti said:
What does 450bhp in an analogue car give you over the last of the tvr models. The latest cars keep delivering improved performance through improved gearbox tech. Even for radical to deliver shattering performance in the RXC they've gone paddle shift. There's a lot of blanks here that need to be filled before this becomes a real proposition.
In reality, probably around 100bhp and a big, long chunk of torque curve. All that delivered in a much more rigid and tractable chassis should see something that not just outperforms in a straight line but handles so much better than earlier Tivs.The manual gearbox is an interesting one. Obviously they same money and obviously there is a good marketing angle etc but what it does mean is that they'll never get close in the Top Trumps against the more exotic cars. Also, having seen just how wide modern supercars are and what electronics they run I suspect any new Tiv won't get anywhere near their performance in conventional hands.
15-20 yers ago a TVR was up there with almost anything at the traffic light GP but without all the gizmos I can't see how humans can match computers in 2015. I think the car has to focus more on the whole 'experience' than rely on pub stats.
Agreed.
My flappy paddle Golf R is relatively rapid. In real life it would show a clean pair of heels to my relatively powerful cerbera eg initial get away, B roads with corners, wet conditions etc But driving the cerbera gives much more pleasure. There is something about the modern performance car that makes you feel like a passenger at times whereas when I am in the mood the TVR driving experience is an event to relish.
My flappy paddle Golf R is relatively rapid. In real life it would show a clean pair of heels to my relatively powerful cerbera eg initial get away, B roads with corners, wet conditions etc But driving the cerbera gives much more pleasure. There is something about the modern performance car that makes you feel like a passenger at times whereas when I am in the mood the TVR driving experience is an event to relish.
DonkeyApple said:
In reality, probably around 100bhp and a big, long chunk of torque curve. All that delivered in a much more rigid and tractable chassis should see something that not just outperforms in a straight line but handles so much better than earlier Tivs.
The manual gearbox is an interesting one. Obviously they same money and obviously there is a good marketing angle etc but what it does mean is that they'll never get close in the Top Trumps against the more exotic cars. Also, having seen just how wide modern supercars are and what electronics they run I suspect any new Tiv won't get anywhere near their performance in conventional hands.
15-20 yers ago a TVR was up there with almost anything at the traffic light GP but without all the gizmos I can't see how humans can match computers in 2015. I think the car has to focus more on the whole 'experience' than rely on pub stats.
Have to agree.The manual gearbox is an interesting one. Obviously they same money and obviously there is a good marketing angle etc but what it does mean is that they'll never get close in the Top Trumps against the more exotic cars. Also, having seen just how wide modern supercars are and what electronics they run I suspect any new Tiv won't get anywhere near their performance in conventional hands.
15-20 yers ago a TVR was up there with almost anything at the traffic light GP but without all the gizmos I can't see how humans can match computers in 2015. I think the car has to focus more on the whole 'experience' than rely on pub stats.
I was reading a thread in General Gassing, the Lotus Exige Vs. Cayman, the former is the same weight as the T cars with 350bhp, and the Cayman almost 400bhp - and this is classed as a 'Mid-range' sports car!
Not sure I like the (ultra)m odern sports cars so much, though (Lotus aside), as they do seem to be getting wider, not so good for our narrow twisties. This is why I love my tiny Tamora with the 4.3, perfect for me, although I find it hard to utilise all of the power at the best of times..
Also, I do wonder how much these flappy paddle gearboxes cost to repair, compared to a conventional 'old-fashioned' system - could all of these extra performance gadgets ultimately be their Achilles Heel when they get to a certain age?
The reason I chose another TVR is because I knew I could spend the money on all the bits that matter, rather than having to splash out on (potentially) failed modules I didn't even want in the first place.
I did lust after a Jag F-Type, then I saw the sheer size of the thing!
julian64 said:
Maybe I'm getting old but I'm not really sure why I would want a new TVR
I took my Cerbera out yesterday. Its now about 15 years old.
It was far faster than anything around me. It was a challenge and exciting to drive in a way that a new NCAP Euro emission car is unlikely to be. The design is such that it looked space age parked anywhere near any other car seen.
There are a lot of people out there who have never had a TVR to pootle round in and for them a new player on the market will give a welcome change to all the nanny state euroboxes produced. But whatever edgar produces its likely to be far more nany state than most of us TVR owners are already used to.
Fully agree I took my Cerbera out yesterday. Its now about 15 years old.
It was far faster than anything around me. It was a challenge and exciting to drive in a way that a new NCAP Euro emission car is unlikely to be. The design is such that it looked space age parked anywhere near any other car seen.
There are a lot of people out there who have never had a TVR to pootle round in and for them a new player on the market will give a welcome change to all the nanny state euroboxes produced. But whatever edgar produces its likely to be far more nany state than most of us TVR owners are already used to.
So to sum up. In 2 years, LE has to come up with something for circa 70k that
A) As a GT beats the F Type
B) As a Sports Car beats the Evora
C) As a TVR beats a Sagaris
Not looking hopeful is it!
PS: Please please please do the decent thing. Buy a bloody Evora not a pipe dream, their superb, vastly underated, god knows over here in East Anglia we could do with the cash!
A) As a GT beats the F Type
B) As a Sports Car beats the Evora
C) As a TVR beats a Sagaris
Not looking hopeful is it!
PS: Please please please do the decent thing. Buy a bloody Evora not a pipe dream, their superb, vastly underated, god knows over here in East Anglia we could do with the cash!
Edited by PuffsBack on Tuesday 8th September 22:42
HarryW said:
Not sure if that 'we' just includes you, your (royal) household or the nation... A couple of examples the V8V quoted below was £80k in 06, which means applying inflation means it should be £106k, but it's £87k. The 911 C2 was £59k extrapolated is £78k and so on.
Edited by HarryW on Monday 7th September 22:47
With regards to opinion, it seems its just me and most of the (royal) Pistonheads community that have posted on this thread.
Do you really think that TVR have the buying power that Porsche have (part of VW) along with the volume to amortise development costs and capital investment costs
The closest thing to TVR is Noble and Spyker and new these cars are £200k and even then the latter went bust. My fear is the car will be priced too low at 80k GBP and then run into financial trouble - if the car is quality, at 80k GBP they need another revenue stream.
SAGTAFF said:
Sorry for the late reply, been in meetings all day at a very well known OEM discussing production costs for an innovative EGR system hopefully to used on diesel engines from 2019 onwards.
With regards to opinion, it seems its just me and most of the (royal) Pistonheads community that have posted on this thread.
Do you really think that TVR have the buying power that Porsche have (part of VW) along with the volume to amortise development costs and capital investment costs
The closest thing to TVR is Noble and Spyker and new these cars are £200k and even then the latter went bust. My fear is the car will be priced too low at 80k GBP and then run into financial trouble - if the car is quality, at 80k GBP they need another revenue stream.
Id say that's pretty much on the money.. Rossion took the existing noble design (not a new one)and developed it further. The car is now sold as a complete kit.. This is now around $100k for the kit. So to come up with a ground up new design, assemble and market it, simply won't be 50kWith regards to opinion, it seems its just me and most of the (royal) Pistonheads community that have posted on this thread.
Do you really think that TVR have the buying power that Porsche have (part of VW) along with the volume to amortise development costs and capital investment costs
The closest thing to TVR is Noble and Spyker and new these cars are £200k and even then the latter went bust. My fear is the car will be priced too low at 80k GBP and then run into financial trouble - if the car is quality, at 80k GBP they need another revenue stream.
http://m.caranddriver.com/reviews/rossion-q1-speci...
Gazzab said:
Agreed.
My flappy paddle Golf R is relatively rapid. In real life it would show a clean pair of heels to my relatively powerful cerbera eg initial get away, B roads with corners, wet conditions etc But driving the cerbera gives much more pleasure. There is something about the modern performance car that makes you feel like a passenger at times whereas when I am in the mood the TVR driving experience is an event to relish.
There's an Aston thread that makes the same point - whizz bang 0-60 with Playstation gearchanges isn't everything.My flappy paddle Golf R is relatively rapid. In real life it would show a clean pair of heels to my relatively powerful cerbera eg initial get away, B roads with corners, wet conditions etc But driving the cerbera gives much more pleasure. There is something about the modern performance car that makes you feel like a passenger at times whereas when I am in the mood the TVR driving experience is an event to relish.
If I were TVR, reading this and other threads I'd be seriously considering getting something out there in public now whether it's an Autocar spy shot article, engine or factory details or some sketches on the back of a beer mat. They need to keep the ball rolling to try and quash the negative stuff that rightly or wrongly keeps appearing.
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