New TVR update

[tobeee]

I still love it, though would prefer to see the familiar curved cut in front of the door rather than the angular bit, especially as the rest of the car is curvy. Probably just me tho..

[jjlnl]

tobeee said:

I still love it, though would prefer to see the familiar curved cut in front of the door rather than the angular bit, especially as the rest of the car is curvy. Probably just me tho..

No, not just you, I was thinking the same. To me TVR are all about curves.

[Digger]

Similar for the exhaust 'tips'.

Quite liking the possibility of slightly smaller diameter rims and the extra rubber to fill out the arches!

[Incognegro]

The more I see it and the latest pic is the best so far IMO but I can't help thinking from the looks is it maybe the "Sagaris 2" lol

Perhaps that's unfair but I think the new owners will be overjoyed!.. Looks great and look forward to seeing how it goes. I wonder if the new cars will offer the same amount of scope to tweak to an individual's taste?

All in all thumbs up!

[Black S2K]

chris watton said:

Ah, so the update is Photoshopping a different set of wheels on the original sketch, from a US muscle car, perhaps?

They look like classic Volk Racing TE37s; could be from a Honda HSV-10 or any number of tuner-GTRs.

This poor ol' photochop has had more facelifts than the Rover 400/45/ZS! I only read these motor magazine websites now, because they are so funny.

Edited by Black S2K on Sunday 24th January 14:11

[TVRinBFG]

Not really news about the new TVR, but news about the market place TVR will be operating in, as SMMT have released UK new vehicle registration figures for 2015:-

Aston Martin 949 cars in 2015 (864 in 2014)
Bentley 1379 cars in 2015 (1472 in 2014)
Lotus 375 cars in 2015 (235 in 2014)
Other British (which I guess is Caterham/Ariel/Ultima/Ginetta etc, but might include LTC?) 701 cars in 2015 (774 in 2014)

[Byker28i]

jjlnl said:

tobeee said:

I still love it, though would prefer to see the familiar curved cut in front of the door rather than the angular bit, especially as the rest of the car is curvy. Probably just me tho..

No, not just you, I was thinking the same. To me TVR are all about curves.

Women, I think you mean women

[BJWoods]

TVRinBFG said:

Not really news about the new TVR, but news about the market place TVR will be operating in, as SMMT have released UK new vehicle registration figures for 2015:-

Aston Martin 949 cars in 2015 (864 in 2014)
Bentley 1379 cars in 2015 (1472 in 2014)
Lotus 375 cars in 2015 (235 in 2014)
Other British (which I guess is Caterham/Ariel/Ultima/Ginetta etc, but might include LTC?) 701 cars in 2015 (774 in 2014)

what of Porsche 911..

I imagine TVR will be targeting a small % of those into RS, GT3, etc end of that market?

[TVRinBFG]

Porsche were 12167 UK sales in 2015, up from 9160 in 2014.
And Jaguar were 23954 UK sales in 2015, up from 18401 in 2014.

But I don't know how many Boxsters/Cayman/911/F-Types are in those figures.

[jjlnl]

Byker28i said:

jjlnl said:

tobeee said:

I still love it, though would prefer to see the familiar curved cut in front of the door rather than the angular bit, especially as the rest of the car is curvy. Probably just me tho..

No, not just you, I was thinking the same. To me TVR are all about curves.

Women, I think you mean women

Oh yes, women with curves. None of that straight laced stuff for me

[madbadger]

Article in Autocar on new cars for 2016/17:

Autocar said:

TVR

Revitalised TVR will bring four new sports cars to the market from 2017.

From here: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/what-s-...

Where did the four come from?

[tvrolet]

madbadger said:

From here: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/what-s-...

Where did the four come from?

The first one built, the second one, the third...and then the fourth. So assuming 3 prototypes, some lucky punter gets a car in 2016/17.;

[ukkid35]

autocar.co.uk said:

While Murray's iStream chassis is already very strong, TVR is understood to be leaning towards the extra strength advantage rather than weight savings - something which could be neccessary if the sports car is to acheive its target of around 400bhp/tonne.

So the new TVR is aiming to have the same power/weight ratio as a 20 year old Cerb.

[HarryW]

ukkid35 said:

autocar.co.uk said:

While Murray's iStream chassis is already very strong, TVR is understood to be leaning towards the extra strength advantage rather than weight savings - something which could be neccessary if the sports car is to acheive its target of around 400bhp/tonne.

So the new TVR is aiming to have the same power/weight ratio as a 20 year old Cerb.

To be fair, coming in at 1200Kgs it'll still require 480hp to achieve that, I'd be happy with and real world 400hp/tonne and TC to put it down.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Cerberas actually come in at a weight very similar to that. Assuming mine is 1200kgs and its rudely healthy, it makes 380hp/tonne. There are only a handful out there making 350hp/tonne, most are going to be nearer 310-320hp/tonne. I've never seen a slow Cerb..........

[DonkeyApple]

HarryW said:

ukkid35 said:

autocar.co.uk said:

While Murray's iStream chassis is already very strong, TVR is understood to be leaning towards the extra strength advantage rather than weight savings - something which could be neccessary if the sports car is to acheive its target of around 400bhp/tonne.

So the new TVR is aiming to have the same power/weight ratio as a 20 year old Cerb.

To be fair, coming in at 1200Kgs it'll still require 480hp to achieve that, I'd be happy with and real world 400hp/tonne and TC to put it down.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Cerberas actually come in at a weight very similar to that. Assuming mine is 1200kgs and its rudely healthy, it makes 380hp/tonne. There are only a handful out there making 350hp/tonne, most are going to be nearer 310-320hp/tonne. I've never seen a slow Cerb..........

My car's around 400/ton and when first built it was closer to 600. But I think new car will have a hell of a lot more torque!! My first thought was that they're just spinning their way out of a discovery that the car wont be as light as first claimed?

Any way, my Griff was no more than 250/ton and it was a lot more fun to drive on the roads. For me I have definitely learned that more power and more ability to handle it makes for less enjoyment. Once the novelty wears off all you're left with is something that you can only drive at 30% of its capability. ):

[tvrolet]

ukkid35 said:

autocar.co.uk said:

While Murray's iStream chassis is already very strong, TVR is understood to be leaning towards the extra strength advantage rather than weight savings - something which could be neccessary if the sports car is to acheive its target of around 400bhp/tonne.

So the new TVR is aiming to have the same power/weight ratio as a 20 year old Cerb.

But it depends if the figures are real or not. My old Cerb was dyno'd at 340hp, and it was a quick one in comparison to others, and I recall the real weight of the car was closer to 1200Kg with fluids etc. So in reality nearer 300bhp/tonne despite claims by TVR. These were not 1000Kg cars, and they didn't make 400hp from the factory, although I guess someone has a special Red Rose car that maybe did, or a 4.7. The question is will the new car be subject to the same weight and power exaggerations in the quoted spec? And TVR weren't/aren't alone in that.

My humble Tuscan has been weighed numerous times and it's around 1000Kg, but that's a road-converted racer, so although it's got the weight of an American V8 up front (alloy Chevrolet LS), there's no roof, side windows, window winders, door trims, plush seats, heater, air con, PAS, ABS, radio etc. I simply cannot see how they're going to come in at under 1100Kg for a road car...again 'real', weighed, 1100Kg and not factory 'spec' figurers. In fact my bet is 1200Kg...we should hold a sweepstake! And while I'd like to think of monster power (myTuscan has been dyno'd at 500hp plus), I'm going to speculate just under 500, so putting it in the 'real' 400bhp/tonne category. Which in truth the Cerb never was in real measured figures straight from the factory.

[HarryW]

DonkeyApple said:

HarryW said:

ukkid35 said:

autocar.co.uk said:

While Murray's iStream chassis is already very strong, TVR is understood to be leaning towards the extra strength advantage rather than weight savings - something which could be neccessary if the sports car is to acheive its target of around 400bhp/tonne.

So the new TVR is aiming to have the same power/weight ratio as a 20 year old Cerb.

To be fair, coming in at 1200Kgs it'll still require 480hp to achieve that, I'd be happy with and real world 400hp/tonne and TC to put it down.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Cerberas actually come in at a weight very similar to that. Assuming mine is 1200kgs and its rudely healthy, it makes 380hp/tonne. There are only a handful out there making 350hp/tonne, most are going to be nearer 310-320hp/tonne. I've never seen a slow Cerb..........

My car's around 400/ton and when first built it was closer to 600. But I think new car will have a hell of a lot more torque!! My first thought was that they're just spinning their way out of a discovery that the car wont be as light as first claimed?

Any way, my Griff was no more than 250/ton and it was a lot more fun to drive on the roads. For me I have definitely learned that more power and more ability to handle it makes for less enjoyment. Once the novelty wears off all you're left with is something that you can only drive at 30% of its capability. ):

I know what you mean about using the full capability, I rarely use more than 25% of the throttle on the Cerbera....

Back to the new car and the Coyote lump Cosworth are working on.... Been browsing some US sites and even with basic knowledge fitting flowed heads, cam, intake and exhaust headers this artical takes the standard NA output of the Coyote up to 515hp and 450lbs....nice http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/mmfp-...
Looking forward to seeing what Cosworth do with it and keep it compliant and driveable....

They have another article where they fit a blower and take it beyond 700hp.

[DonkeyApple]

HarryW said:

I know what you mean about using the full capability, I rarely use more than 25% of the throttle on the Cerbera....

Back to the new car and the Coyote lump Cosworth are working on.... Been browsing some US sites and even with basic knowledge fitting flowed heads, cam, intake and exhaust headers this artical takes the standard NA output of the Coyote up to 515hp and 450lbs....nice http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/mmfp-...
Looking forward to seeing what Cosworth do with it and keep it compliant and driveable....

They have another article where they fit a blower and take it beyond 700hp.

Within 18 months of the LE cars launching I'm sure they will be offering a forced induction model. 700 odd horse power and a chassis that'll handle it properly is going to be terrifying.

[HarryW]

DonkeyApple said:

HarryW said:

I know what you mean about using the full capability, I rarely use more than 25% of the throttle on the Cerbera....

Back to the new car and the Coyote lump Cosworth are working on.... Been browsing some US sites and even with basic knowledge fitting flowed heads, cam, intake and exhaust headers this artical takes the standard NA output of the Coyote up to 515hp and 450lbs....nice http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/mmfp-...
Looking forward to seeing what Cosworth do with it and keep it compliant and driveable....

They have another article where they fit a blower and take it beyond 700hp.

Within 18 months of the LE cars launching I'm sure they will be offering a forced induction model. 700 odd horse power and a chassis that'll handle it properly is going to be terrifying.

Maybe the LE will have a bonnet hump ready to accept a blower, ala the V8S , loved my V8S btw.....

Shameless excuse to post a Picture of one with the blower actually fitted...it's a RV8 sleeved down to 2ltr for the Italian market...

[ukkid35]

HarryW said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but Cerberas actually come in at a weight very similar to that. Assuming mine is 1200kgs and its rudely healthy, it makes 380hp/tonne. There are only a handful out there making 350hp/tonne, most are going to be nearer 310-320hp/tonne. I've never seen a slow Cerb..........

There are plenty of Red Rose owners with dyno charts showing 440, and several owners claim their car is 1100kg.

Even my basket case is 350hp/ton, with 410 and approx 1170kg on the local tip's weighbridge.

Edited by ukkid35 on Thursday 4th February 13:53