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No cost?
The development work on a GTLM car would make most people's teeth itch.
A GT3 car, no where near as developed as GTLM, will run you, as a driver/owner, several hundred thousand quid for a season from a proven manufacturer.
You'd need to sink a lot of cash into this to get it anywhere close to race ready.
The development work on a GTLM car would make most people's teeth itch.
A GT3 car, no where near as developed as GTLM, will run you, as a driver/owner, several hundred thousand quid for a season from a proven manufacturer.
You'd need to sink a lot of cash into this to get it anywhere close to race ready.
ellroy said:
No cost?
The development work on a GTLM car would make most people's teeth itch.
A GT3 car, no where near as developed as GTLM, will run you, as a driver/owner, several hundred thousand quid for a season from a proven manufacturer.
You'd need to sink a lot of cash into this to get it anywhere close to race ready.
Understood. Point being, that if they are already building it, for LM, the outlay, for the development cost, has already been accepted as part of the business plan. Therefore, no ADDITIONAL cost. The development work on a GTLM car would make most people's teeth itch.
A GT3 car, no where near as developed as GTLM, will run you, as a driver/owner, several hundred thousand quid for a season from a proven manufacturer.
You'd need to sink a lot of cash into this to get it anywhere close to race ready.
Best regards,
Bernard.
Hughesie said:
V6Pushfit said:
DonkeyApple said:
Daggsy said:
That would make for an interesting survey.
Does seem to be one of the most common combos over the years. Range Rover plus TVR. 
Jus sayin....
Slow M said:
nderstood. Point being, that if they are already building it, for LM, the outlay, for the development cost, has already been accepted as part of the business plan. Therefore, no ADDITIONAL cost.
Best regards,
Bernard.
I see where you're coming from, but saying you'd like to take them back to LM is very different from building in the development costs for a race car from day one. For example, the GTE cars, GTLM as it were, have no panel in common with their road going cousins. So you'd have two parallel development lines if doing it from day one.Best regards,
Bernard.
The big cost though is in the electronics piece which is something that you just don't need for road use and again even between GT3/4 and GTE is hugely different, hence the different costs of those cars. Even the aero packages stepping up the series costs big cash.
There's a certain amount of development that a sports car does that will be of use to a race team, but there's a lot more to come. It's probably also possible to option some parts of the race car requirement into the base design where it won't add costs, but that's likely to be minor elements.
I'd also offer good money that most race teams would want to see a certain degree of factory success before paying £1m or so for a chassis, as if you have a 3 year programme, not unusual, you'd want to be sure you could get the help/spares needed as, and when, you prang it.
IMO, LeMans is a veru bad move from Les. Yes it's "fun" and "glamorous" but it's also distracting and ruinously expensive. £1M might get you to the very back of the grid at LM (might, just) but you probably won't finish the race. £1M spent on the development of the new car gets you a significant amount of vital testing, validation work and engineer hours.
Very, very few people are going to buy a new TVR just because it's been to LM, especially if the car they are buying is a dog..........
Very, very few people are going to buy a new TVR just because it's been to LM, especially if the car they are buying is a dog..........
Max_Torque said:
IMO, LeMans is a veru bad move from Les. Yes it's "fun" and "glamorous" but it's also distracting and ruinously expensive. £1M might get you to the very back of the grid at LM (might, just) but you probably won't finish the race. £1M spent on the development of the new car gets you a significant amount of vital testing, validation work and engineer hours.
Very, very few people are going to buy a new TVR just because it's been to LM, especially if the car they are buying is a dog..........
Les buying the TVR brand was possibly the worst business decision he could ever make. Like PW before him , his financial advisor had thought he'd gone nuts for buying TVR, and what a great job PW did. Very, very few people are going to buy a new TVR just because it's been to LM, especially if the car they are buying is a dog..........
Max_Torque said:
portzi said:
and what a great job PW did.
Well, except for the fact the company went bust and collapsed because it was unable (for many reasons) to change with the times........ ;-)
.A question though. Would pistonheads have even existed if it wasn't for the PW era TVR fraternity ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/11250691...
portzi said:
That's a funny article, never seen it before. "There's a gentlemanly feel to Pistonheads" ... Really? I thought it was the "go to" place for a 5 minute argument or indeed, the full half hour! 
Max_Torque said:
Well, except for the fact the company went bust and collapsed because it was unable (for many reasons) to change with the times........ ;-)
After he sold it, bless his soul. Smolensky bought it in July 2004 and it was late 2006 before it all went pear-shaped. TVR made a small profit in 2002 and 2003 according to threads on here.Maybe he saw it coming but the order books were OK at the time before plummeting in 2006.
ianwayne said:
After he sold it, bless his soul. Smolensky bought it in July 2004 and it was late 2006 before it all went pear-shaped. TVR made a small profit in 2002 and 2003 according to threads on here.
Maybe he saw it coming but the order books were OK at the time before plummeting in 2006.
Maybe he saw it coming but the order books were OK at the time before plummeting in 2006.
Max_Torque said:
Well, except for the fact the company went bust and collapsed because it was unable (for many reasons) to change with the times........ ;-)
TVR was bust when PW bought it, he managed to squeeze another 25 years of it giving us S's BBW's Chimeara Griffith Cerbera Tuscan T-Cars Sagaris etcAnd most importantly he never gave into marketing bu**sh** and sold TVR's soul to keep it going
Going bust with its soul intact works for me.
theholygrail said:
VERY encouraging article in this month's Sprint on the new TVR Written by a Typhon owner who was asked to bring his car along for the new team to have a look at. No new specifics but his overall impression of the operation is optimistic to say the least
Donkey Apple? Written by a Typhon owner who was asked to bring his car along for the new team to have a look at. No new specifics but his overall impression of the operation is optimistic to say the least HarryW said:
theholygrail said:
VERY encouraging article in this month's Sprint on the new TVR Written by a Typhon owner who was asked to bring his car along for the new team to have a look at. No new specifics but his overall impression of the operation is optimistic to say the least
Donkey Apple? Written by a Typhon owner who was asked to bring his car along for the new team to have a look at. No new specifics but his overall impression of the operation is optimistic to say the least Gassing Station | General TVR Stuff & Gossip | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff