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Concerning point 2, there are quite a number of EU service dealers listed at: http://tvr.co.uk/network/members, so maintenance shouldn't be an issue in Europe, but depending on where you live, it could be a good drive to get to one!
christof said:
Yes.
(1) Will it have NSSTA or ECSSTA?
(2) Not sure how this will work?
(3) 1200 KG "wet" weight is a tough task, especially with a big and heavy V8, not sure how they will achieve this, but we will find out when the first car will be on a scale
(4) Learning how they will perform all the required testing would be very interesting
C.
Thought so, me too.(1) Will it have NSSTA or ECSSTA?
(2) Not sure how this will work?
(3) 1200 KG "wet" weight is a tough task, especially with a big and heavy V8, not sure how they will achieve this, but we will find out when the first car will be on a scale
(4) Learning how they will perform all the required testing would be very interesting
C.
1) Pretty sure it is ECSSTA, i specifically asked for german/european admission during the reveal, but to be honest, NSSTA never occured to me. But i would have to think more than twice if it was not ECSSTA, especially given the potential Brexit-fallout.
2) I think 2performance, among others, will be able to take care of it. But probably any English-car-specialist should be able to help ? Les said the first cars will be factory-pickup only and TVR will not offer much, if any, assistance for European admission. I don't have any experience, but ECSSTA should make that relatively painless, or do you have other info/experience ?
3) Numbers between 1200 and 1250 are being passed around, so there is some degree of variability, but power-to-weight is targeted at 400bhp/ton
4) no idea
phazed 11.83 said:
bullittmcqueen said:
I think the time is ripe now. I was pushing this as far away as i could from me, too. This is absoluetly gaining momentum, german carmakers are getting a pounding for emission evasion, diesel is on it's way out. China is pushing e-cars heavily, weather is pouring observable climate change into cellars and streets of deniers everywhere. Record temperatures in each year. There's also massive government talk and legislation!!! (they came up with preliminary legislation for self-driving cars and designated test-strips on public autobahn-tracks within a year where it usually takes 10 years to discuss a color change for recycle-bins). I would never have predicted this 5 years ago. This is total change of mindset and attention. It's gained critical mass. Not in production yet, but in presence and awareness and that's how change starts.
The 2040 date might or might not work, but it certainly does not mean everything will move on unchanged until 2040 and then with a bang everything is different. The changes will be felt starting now. See Volvo announcement. See VW/Daimler annoucement (producing 25% of cars as all-electric in 2022, Tesla pales in comparison).
German carmakers have basically been living in a bubble and total state of denial until now, but someone just poured a bucket of ice-cold water into their warm, cozy beds. Hundreds of thousands of jobs are connected to producing IC engines. I've seen a Mercedes unionist spokesman recently in front of a showcase V8 2000 part IC engine and its comparable 1/4th of size, 30 part electrical engine counterpart and he was really desparate trying to convince people of how many jobs will go if we go electric. This guy had "fear" written all over his face. But you could tell that he knew that it's battle he's going to lose. There will be lot of money to be made in developing and patenting the next innovations in battery-technology and this is where a lot of heavyweights are investing their time and money right now.
Legislation and taxation will gradually start to penalize ic-engines and this will happen a lot earlier than 2040. It will move from bonuses for e-cars to penalties for ic-cars.
And don't worry, they will figure something out to increase tax-revenue by raising taxes for e-cars/electricity once they become more common and raising them even more for ic-engines. They will also make owning an ic-car as uncomfortable as they can. High emissions ? Sorry, stay clear of the inner city. Parking ? Sorry, only for e-cars, but there's a park-and-ride 20 miles from here. Picking kids up from in front of school ? Sorry, only e-cars, emissions not good for the little fellows, you know ?
GM said "I see the new TVR as the last shout for the proper sports-car". Doesn't take a visionary to understand how right he is.
Beautifully put, thoughtful, frightening, realistic and certainly doesn't fit in with most of our lifestyles.The 2040 date might or might not work, but it certainly does not mean everything will move on unchanged until 2040 and then with a bang everything is different. The changes will be felt starting now. See Volvo announcement. See VW/Daimler annoucement (producing 25% of cars as all-electric in 2022, Tesla pales in comparison).
German carmakers have basically been living in a bubble and total state of denial until now, but someone just poured a bucket of ice-cold water into their warm, cozy beds. Hundreds of thousands of jobs are connected to producing IC engines. I've seen a Mercedes unionist spokesman recently in front of a showcase V8 2000 part IC engine and its comparable 1/4th of size, 30 part electrical engine counterpart and he was really desparate trying to convince people of how many jobs will go if we go electric. This guy had "fear" written all over his face. But you could tell that he knew that it's battle he's going to lose. There will be lot of money to be made in developing and patenting the next innovations in battery-technology and this is where a lot of heavyweights are investing their time and money right now.
Legislation and taxation will gradually start to penalize ic-engines and this will happen a lot earlier than 2040. It will move from bonuses for e-cars to penalties for ic-cars.
And don't worry, they will figure something out to increase tax-revenue by raising taxes for e-cars/electricity once they become more common and raising them even more for ic-engines. They will also make owning an ic-car as uncomfortable as they can. High emissions ? Sorry, stay clear of the inner city. Parking ? Sorry, only for e-cars, but there's a park-and-ride 20 miles from here. Picking kids up from in front of school ? Sorry, only e-cars, emissions not good for the little fellows, you know ?
GM said "I see the new TVR as the last shout for the proper sports-car". Doesn't take a visionary to understand how right he is.
Unfortunately we are not going to be able to avoid this whether it comes in five years or 25 years time.
Have your fun now guys because the future is bright, the future is eventually all with batteries.
Switches off PC, grabs keys and goes for a long drive in a proper car with a 5.5 L engine that does 12 miles to the gallon if you're lucky !
Damm, battery 's flat!
Christ the government can't even coordinate and complete a program to make all NHS records electronic in 15 odd years. So the likely hood of them getting the infrastructure in place to charge and fast charge an entire population of electric vehicles in 23 years, is the same as the chances of Selma Hayek and Kelly brook both turning up at my house tonight.
Zero...
Zero...
Edited by m4tti on Thursday 27th July 23:04
m4tti said:
Christ the government can't even coordinate and complete a program to make all NHS records electronic in 15 odd years. So the likely hood of them getting the infrastructure in place to charge and fast charge an entire population of electric vehicles in 23 years, is the same as the chances of Selma Hayek and Kelly brook both turning up at my house tonight.
Zero...
Salma?Zero...
m4tti said:
Christ the government can't even coordinate and complete a program to make all NHS records electronic in 15 odd years. So the likely hood of them getting the infrastructure in place to charge and fast charge an entire population of electric vehicles in 23 years, is
Zero...
I would say more like 100%, like mobile phone providers it will be tendered Zero...
So we'll end up having major infrastructure changes carried out and operated by European or Far Eastern owned companies like so much is already in other sectors. There will be a massive hike in electricity prices to give them a carrot and offset the huge loss of tax revenue and this will then affect all of the rest of the UK domestic and commercial customers.
Lots of own goals.
TA14 said:
m4tti said:
Christ the government can't even coordinate and complete a program to make all NHS records electronic in 15 odd years. So the likely hood of them getting the infrastructure in place to charge and fast charge an entire population of electric vehicles in 23 years, is the same as the chances of Selma Hayek and Kelly brook both turning up at my house tonight.
Zero...
Salma?Zero...
The initiatives announced are out of touch with both the present pollution issues and the future of the automotive industry.
As is usually the case, measures are being put forward seemingly to advance the legacy of a politician, whose consultation with industry has been carefully managed to support the buzz word related stance they have elected to support.
Since man first encountered a burning thing, it's been known that smoke is not conducive to the continuance of breathing well. A number of years ago the buzz word was "Carbon", hence other pollutants being largely ignored in the government push for low CO2 diesels. Unsurprisingly cities full of diesel traffic aren't doing much for public health, but stopping vehicles from entering certain areas, or charging them for it, will just push them on to other streets and move the problem rather than solving it.
With advancements in battery tech such as development work on solid state batteries, the general industry consensus is that alternatives to pure ICE propulsion will be the norm long before 2040 and that a high percentage of daily commutes will be able to be very easily satisfied by electric cars rather soon.
When the internal combustion engine first powered a car, steam vehicles were not banned, they just became redundant in a practical sense and like the horse before that, became something to be enjoyed by enthusiasts. Any ban compromises freedom and is not the answer. Persuasion is, but that doesn't give somebody in a suit the ability to say "That moment was me". The industry is already doing a pretty good job of persuading itself without government intervention, and local governments are right in responding that they want to see an ICE scrappage scheme against the purchase of alternatively propelled vehicles. But that's also bad value for money for the government.
This 'measure' though still permits the sale of hybrids, meaning huge V8 ICE cars aren't dead as of 2040, just that somewhere, an electric motor will need to be able to make some kind of contribution to the movement of the car.
I don't necessarily see it as a last hurrah for the proper sports car. It's certainly a timely rebuttal, but there are still 23 years in which a few loud, shouty things can be produced, and their impact will be ever more spectacular in a world of quick and silent boxes.
"Why do you bother with that loud, complicated, slow thing?"
"Because it p
s you off 
."
As is usually the case, measures are being put forward seemingly to advance the legacy of a politician, whose consultation with industry has been carefully managed to support the buzz word related stance they have elected to support.
Since man first encountered a burning thing, it's been known that smoke is not conducive to the continuance of breathing well. A number of years ago the buzz word was "Carbon", hence other pollutants being largely ignored in the government push for low CO2 diesels. Unsurprisingly cities full of diesel traffic aren't doing much for public health, but stopping vehicles from entering certain areas, or charging them for it, will just push them on to other streets and move the problem rather than solving it.
With advancements in battery tech such as development work on solid state batteries, the general industry consensus is that alternatives to pure ICE propulsion will be the norm long before 2040 and that a high percentage of daily commutes will be able to be very easily satisfied by electric cars rather soon.
When the internal combustion engine first powered a car, steam vehicles were not banned, they just became redundant in a practical sense and like the horse before that, became something to be enjoyed by enthusiasts. Any ban compromises freedom and is not the answer. Persuasion is, but that doesn't give somebody in a suit the ability to say "That moment was me". The industry is already doing a pretty good job of persuading itself without government intervention, and local governments are right in responding that they want to see an ICE scrappage scheme against the purchase of alternatively propelled vehicles. But that's also bad value for money for the government.
This 'measure' though still permits the sale of hybrids, meaning huge V8 ICE cars aren't dead as of 2040, just that somewhere, an electric motor will need to be able to make some kind of contribution to the movement of the car.
I don't necessarily see it as a last hurrah for the proper sports car. It's certainly a timely rebuttal, but there are still 23 years in which a few loud, shouty things can be produced, and their impact will be ever more spectacular in a world of quick and silent boxes.
"Why do you bother with that loud, complicated, slow thing?"
"Because it p
s you off ."Englishman said:
Concerning point 2, there are quite a number of EU service dealers listed at: http://tvr.co.uk/network/members, so maintenance shouldn't be an issue in Europe, but depending on where you live, it could be a good drive to get to one!
That link has a spurios comma in it. It should be http://tvr.co.uk/network/members. By the way, a worrying lack of dealers in the top third of the UK!!Snakes said:
That link has a spurios comma in it. It should be http://tvr.co.uk/network/members. By the way, a worrying lack of dealers in the top third of the UK!!
see what you mean 2 in Leicester, 1 in Derby, 1 in Clitheroe and NOTHING north of these !m4tti said:
Christ the government can't even coordinate and complete a program to make all NHS records electronic in 15 odd years. So the likely hood of them getting the infrastructure in place to charge and fast charge an entire population of electric vehicles in 23 years, is the same as the chances of Selma Hayek and Kelly brook both turning up at my house tonight.
Zero...
Infrastructure is being done by the private sector, eg ecotricity and TeslaZero...
Edited by m4tti on Thursday 27th July 23:04
uh oh, please not an electric column. Surely not, why would you?
I know they want to get the engine nice and low, but i'd trade a few 10th off the ultimate lap time for proper nice steering feel? No one GAS about economy or CO2 on this car, so stick a decent hydraulic rack on it and job done !
I know they want to get the engine nice and low, but i'd trade a few 10th off the ultimate lap time for proper nice steering feel? No one GAS about economy or CO2 on this car, so stick a decent hydraulic rack on it and job done !
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