New TVR still under wraps!
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He did keep it going and he did seemingly improve quality but he lacked the vision of Lilley, Wheeler and Edgar. He inherited a hornets nest of problems with the Speed six and it is that engine rather than Smolenski or even the recession that killed TVR.
IT failed with alarming regularity which bled the factory and the dealer network dry with warranty claims and destroyed the second hand values. Thankfully Edgar has had the good sense to buy a crate engine - the only business model that ever worked for TVR was putting a crate engine in a pretty body.
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IT failed with alarming regularity which bled the factory and the dealer network dry with warranty claims and destroyed the second hand values. Thankfully Edgar has had the good sense to buy a crate engine - the only business model that ever worked for TVR was putting a crate engine in a pretty body.
Saxon
PoleDriver said:
Interesting Vid. Different wheels. And it sounds exactly like a Merc SLS which is what I expected all along because of the seperate side exhausts with no X or H pipe on a cross plane crank. I've never liked the SLS noise but a lot of other people go nuts for the noise, so that''ll help it sell.
AOK said:
I'm one of few who has a hell of a lot of respect for Smolenski. Which TVR (of all generations, race cars aside) are currently the most desirable? Smolenski's. Who wanted to introduce efficient production processes and embrace foreign markets big time? Smolenski. Who was up against one of the biggest modern-day recessions? Smolenski.
IMO he achieved a lot more than people think, but the cards were stacked truly against him.
I've met him at the factory for a 2 hour meeting in these days. He had big plans for the brand like expanding brand awareness worldwide with several new products and launching TVR hospatilty globally. IMO he achieved a lot more than people think, but the cards were stacked truly against him.
The idea was to open "Hard Rock Cafe" like stores where you can enjoy beverages, hanging around with car nuts and order a new car.
Problem was that he was not aware about the problems (reliability) the cars had at these days. He also had no clue about the tough tasks with future homologation processes. I remember asking him if he's solved the EUR 4 type approval. Apparently nobody told him about this.
He had some good ideas, he made some right moves, e.g. hiring CAD designers for the next generation of cars.
I've seen some of the concepts and loved his desginers vision of a Cerbera successor.
At the end he was pretty realistic with his statement that a reborn TVR will costs at least 130-150.000 EUR and he sees no market for it at this price point.
So let's wait and see how the new owners of the brand will define the new chapter of TVR.
Edited by christof on Tuesday 19th September 00:55
Edited by christof on Tuesday 19th September 00:57
Edited by christof on Tuesday 19th September 01:15
PoleDriver said:
So looking forward to seeing it driven by Chris Harris etc. ChrisPap said:
PoleDriver said:
Interesting Vid. Different wheels. And it sounds exactly like a Merc SLS which is what I expected all along because of the seperate side exhausts with no X or H pipe on a cross plane crank. I've never liked the SLS noise but a lot of other people go nuts for the noise, so that''ll help it sell.
Great to see it on the road for all those naysayers who said it wouldn't get that far and probably didn't believe it was driveable at Goodwood
Looks great in the natural light and I can understand why they chose the colour.
Speed 3 said:
Why am I thinking it sounds like a ride-on mower at tickover
Great to see it on the road for all those naysayers who said it wouldn't get that far and probably didn't believe it was driveable at Goodwood
Looks great in the natural light and I can understand why they chose the colour.
Suppose it will sound unusual standing to on side as you are primarily hearing one exhaust ie 4 cylinders. Are the wheels the same but without the diamond cut finish? Like the ones fitted to the mock up of the race car. Look so much better.Great to see it on the road for all those naysayers who said it wouldn't get that far and probably didn't believe it was driveable at Goodwood
Looks great in the natural light and I can understand why they chose the colour.
christof said:
I've met him at the factory for a 2 hour meeting in these days. He had big plans for the brand like expanding brand awareness worldwide with several new products and launching TVR hospatilty globally.
The idea was to open "Hard Rock Cafe" like stores where you can enjoy beverages, hanging around with car nuts and order a new car.
Problem was that he was not aware about the problems (reliability) the cars had at these days. He also had no clue about the tough tasks with future homologation processes. I remember asking him if he's solved the EUR 4 type approval. Apparently nobody told him about this.
He had some good ideas, he made some right moves, e.g. hiring CAD designers for the next generation of cars.
I've seen some of the concepts and loved his desginers vision of a Cerbera successor.
At the end he was pretty realistic with his statement that a reborn TVR will costs at least 130-150.000 EUR and he sees no market for it at this price point.
So let's wait and see how the new owners of the brand will define the new chapter of TVR.
Very interesting post. Seems a few things he wasn’t aware of when he bought the company? The idea was to open "Hard Rock Cafe" like stores where you can enjoy beverages, hanging around with car nuts and order a new car.
Problem was that he was not aware about the problems (reliability) the cars had at these days. He also had no clue about the tough tasks with future homologation processes. I remember asking him if he's solved the EUR 4 type approval. Apparently nobody told him about this.
He had some good ideas, he made some right moves, e.g. hiring CAD designers for the next generation of cars.
I've seen some of the concepts and loved his desginers vision of a Cerbera successor.
At the end he was pretty realistic with his statement that a reborn TVR will costs at least 130-150.000 EUR and he sees no market for it at this price point.
So let's wait and see how the new owners of the brand will define the new chapter of TVR.
El stovey said:
christof said:
I've met him at the factory for a 2 hour meeting in these days. He had big plans for the brand like expanding brand awareness worldwide with several new products and launching TVR hospatilty globally.
The idea was to open "Hard Rock Cafe" like stores where you can enjoy beverages, hanging around with car nuts and order a new car.
Problem was that he was not aware about the problems (reliability) the cars had at these days. He also had no clue about the tough tasks with future homologation processes. I remember asking him if he's solved the EUR 4 type approval. Apparently nobody told him about this.
He had some good ideas, he made some right moves, e.g. hiring CAD designers for the next generation of cars.
I've seen some of the concepts and loved his desginers vision of a Cerbera successor.
At the end he was pretty realistic with his statement that a reborn TVR will costs at least 130-150.000 EUR and he sees no market for it at this price point.
So let's wait and see how the new owners of the brand will define the new chapter of TVR.
Very interesting post. Seems a few things he wasn’t aware of when he bought the company? The idea was to open "Hard Rock Cafe" like stores where you can enjoy beverages, hanging around with car nuts and order a new car.
Problem was that he was not aware about the problems (reliability) the cars had at these days. He also had no clue about the tough tasks with future homologation processes. I remember asking him if he's solved the EUR 4 type approval. Apparently nobody told him about this.
He had some good ideas, he made some right moves, e.g. hiring CAD designers for the next generation of cars.
I've seen some of the concepts and loved his desginers vision of a Cerbera successor.
At the end he was pretty realistic with his statement that a reborn TVR will costs at least 130-150.000 EUR and he sees no market for it at this price point.
So let's wait and see how the new owners of the brand will define the new chapter of TVR.
El stovey said:
Very interesting post. Seems a few things he wasn’t aware of when he bought the company?
Like the amount of stock on the books that didn't exist. The lack of property assets and various obligations. The people who sold him the company absolutely guaranteed that not only was it dead from their actions prior but that it couldn't be resurrected because of their sale actions. But they trousered a lot of cash as they always had.
DonkeyApple said:
Like the amount of stock on the books that didn't exist. The lack of property assets and various obligations.
The people who sold him the company absolutely guaranteed that not only was it dead from their actions prior but that it couldn't be resurrected because of their sale actions. But they trousered a lot of cash as they always had.
Wiley old fox vs minted pup, was only ever going to end one way. The people who sold him the company absolutely guaranteed that not only was it dead from their actions prior but that it couldn't be resurrected because of their sale actions. But they trousered a lot of cash as they always had.
I love PW's legacy of vehicles but he can't be considered highly in the way he effectively destroyed the company under his ownership after doing such a good job or rescuing it after the previous cycle.
essexstu said:
Suppose it will sound unusual standing to on side as you are primarily hearing one exhaust ie 4 cylinders. Are the wheels the same but without the diamond cut finish? Like the ones fitted to the mock up of the race car. Look so much better.
That specific exhaust configuration sounds different wherever you stand, not just directly to the side. Gives a low, thunderous noise. Google any AMG SLS GT3 race car clips.https://www.youtube.com/embed/HDrPRtyzsHY?t=53s
Wheels are definitely different from both the launch car (not just minus the diamond cut) and different from the race mock up, which had a 6x douple spoke pn the RH 'race car side', and gloss black Launch Wheels on the LH X-ray side.
I'm sure I did see that 5x double spoke style from the drive video on one of the sketches or renders, but I can't find it now....
Edited by ChrisPap on Tuesday 19th September 08:51
ChrisPap said:
That exhaust configurations sounds different wherever you stand. Gives a low, thunderous, stuttery noise. Google any Merc SLS clips. Particularly the GT3 race car.
Wheels are definitely different from both the launch car (not just minus the diamond cut) and different from the race mock up, which had a 6x douple spoke pn the RH 'race car side', and gloss black Launch Wheels on the LH X-ray side.
I'm sure I did see that 5x double spoke style from the drive video on one of the sketches or renders, but I can't find it now....
Will check it out.Wheels are definitely different from both the launch car (not just minus the diamond cut) and different from the race mock up, which had a 6x douple spoke pn the RH 'race car side', and gloss black Launch Wheels on the LH X-ray side.
I'm sure I did see that 5x double spoke style from the drive video on one of the sketches or renders, but I can't find it now....
Good to see a few different alloys being fitted, should mean 2 or 3 options are offered.
rev-erend said:
I heard that moleskin did not have a proper due dilegence done as part of the sale, perhaps this was because it was a race to buy against a consortium put together by Ben Samuelson and a few dealer owners..
That was never going to happen; he liked Ben. Al M had a bid but even for more money I don't think that that was ever going to succeed because he didn't like Al by then. AFAIK the main competitor was The man from Ginetta.ChrisPap said:
That specific exhaust configuration sounds different wherever you stand, not just directly to the side. Gives a low, thunderous noise. Google any AMG SLS GT3 race car clips.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/HDrPRtyzsHY?t=53s
Wheels are definitely different from both the launch car (not just minus the diamond cut) and different from the race mock up, which had a 6x douple spoke pn the RH 'race car side', and gloss black Launch Wheels on the LH X-ray side.
I'm sure I did see that 5x double spoke style from the drive video on one of the sketches or renders, but I can't find it now....
Bloody hell. If it sounds like that I will be well happy. Sounds like a Spitfire (Merlin, not Triumph) . Tally ho, chocks away!https://www.youtube.com/embed/HDrPRtyzsHY?t=53s
Wheels are definitely different from both the launch car (not just minus the diamond cut) and different from the race mock up, which had a 6x douple spoke pn the RH 'race car side', and gloss black Launch Wheels on the LH X-ray side.
I'm sure I did see that 5x double spoke style from the drive video on one of the sketches or renders, but I can't find it now....
Edited by ChrisPap on Tuesday 19th September 08:51
essexstu said:
Will check it out.
Good to see a few different alloys being fitted, should mean 2 or 3 options are offered.
Added a link above for ease. If you listen for the thrum at idle as they push the car out at 0:55 sec, it's very close, if you can tune out the gearbox whine.Good to see a few different alloys being fitted, should mean 2 or 3 options are offered.
It's not that I want to crush your hopes, but- I think there has only been one wheel shown on the road car, in either matt black with diamond cut, or full gloss black on the styling mule, but I expect they were gloss black as either prototypes or were only for ease. The wheels on the race car are probably to differentiate it from the road car, and the ones on the video of it driving inside the Broadford Business Park (GMD) look like off the shelf mags, probably done for mock up and evaluation before the LE wheels were available.
ChrisPap said:
Added a link above for ease. If you listen for the thrum at idle as they push the car out at 0:55 sec, it's very close, if you can tune out the gearbox whine.
It's not that I want to crush your hopes, but- I think there has only been one wheel shown on the road car, in either matt black with diamond cut, or full gloss black on the styling mule, but I expect they were gloss black as either prototypes or were only for ease. The wheels on the race car are probably to differentiate it from the road car, and the ones on the video of it driving inside the Broadford Business Park (GMD) look like off the shelf mags, probably done for mock up and evaluation before the LE wheels were available.
I actually like the LE wheels in black. It's the diamond cut finish that isn't to my taste. So, lava orange paint with gloss black wheels, black leather with orange stitching. Perfect.It's not that I want to crush your hopes, but- I think there has only been one wheel shown on the road car, in either matt black with diamond cut, or full gloss black on the styling mule, but I expect they were gloss black as either prototypes or were only for ease. The wheels on the race car are probably to differentiate it from the road car, and the ones on the video of it driving inside the Broadford Business Park (GMD) look like off the shelf mags, probably done for mock up and evaluation before the LE wheels were available.
essexstu said:
Bloody hell. If it sounds like that I will be well happy. Sounds like a Spitfire (Merlin, not Triumph) . Tally ho, chocks away!
You’ve ordered one obviously? What’s the dealer support going to be like for this new TVR, I’m a bit out of the loop now and looking online a few of my old local TVR dealerships seem to have vanished. Will any work or servicing just be done by the old remaining TVR dealers?
essexstu said:
I actually like the LE wheels in black. It's the diamond cut finish that isn't to my taste. So, lava orange paint with gloss black wheels, black leather with orange stitching. Perfect.
I have ordered one and was planning a colour scheme just like that!Or maybe replace all orange with lime green....
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