New TVR still under wraps!

[AutoAndy]

TVRMs said:

scotty1 said:

Thought it was worth sharing their photo from the email... car looks nice on those wheels imo

That's the first photograph I've seen of the car in an everyday type surrounding.

I like it (from that angle at least)

...the new wheels are am improvement on the "hot-wheels" ones it had before, but the car still lacks cohesion of design - looks like different bits joined together,..and yes I saw it in the flesh at the NEC and still thought that...

...shame as I think Les is doing a great job to restart the Co...good job I cant afford it really.

[swisstoni]

There is an element of form following function here. The car uses a great deal of aero and that may compromise looks to some.
But you only have to look at the latest McLaren track/road thing to see how much traditional good looks go out the window when you wind the aero up to 11.

[2OOM]

It sounds nice here ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&...

[phazed]

Sounds just like a Rover if you ask me.

http://youtu.be/rOu_zZfSU8g

[dvs_dave]

m4tti said:

essexstu said:

If you want a good idea of what it will sound like on full beans then watch this clip of the AMG GT3. V8 with side exit exhausts....!

remember also that the TVR released clip was probably recorded on someone smart phone so sound quality wont be all that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNbQGNpCMFU

I doubt it will, as the Coyote has a different firing order to the latest merc V8’s. That’s whats giving the TVR it’s odd ball sound, as there is no joining of the exhaust pulses across banks.

Sticking with tradition of TVR’s sounding different to more mainstream applications of engine configuration. It sounds very angry and aggressive which is what it should be. A mellow woofling V8 sound would be a mistake, sounding just like the old Rover TVR’s, or your local cash rich chav in his C63 AMG.

The Speed Six doesn’t sound like any other straight six out there due to its firing order and it’s 2 separate 3-1 exhaust manifolds. No x-pipe anywhere unlike most applications.

AJP8 is also odd sounding compared to a typical V8 by virtue of it being a flat crank which outside of racing engines and some exotica is extremely unusual. Again no x-pipe as it’s not beneficial (performance or acoustically) in any way.

Although it begs the question (again) as to why the Voodoo flat crank version of the Coyote wasn’t used. The exhaust configuration on the Griffith could not be more suited to a flat crank V8. I suppose Ford won’t let TVR have it (yet) as its unquestionably a more suitable (and desirable) power plant.

[tvrolet]

dvs_dave said:

Although it begs the question (again) as to why the Voodoo flat crank version of the Coyote wasn’t used. The exhaust configuration on the Griffith could not be more suited to a flat crank V8. I suppose Ford won’t let TVR have it (yet) as its unquestionably a more suitable (and desirable) power plant.

I’m not going to argue the case against the Voodoo for performance, but absolutely not for sound. A cross plane runs like 2 regular fours. On the Cerb it’s ‘interesting’ as they both come out the back together and your ear kind of mixes them. But running all four from one bank out each side, it’s just going to sound like a four...no differnce to a Focus or whatever.

Having an Uneven firing out each side (I’m guessing bang gap bang gap gap bang bang) should give it a wonderful lope at idle and a real hot-rod growl at revs - all the classic hot rods were cruciform crank and separate headers (and lake pipes ) per side.

There’s always a problem recording exhaust notes digitally; I’ve recorded the Tuscan (LS V8), Jeep (Hemi V8) and the Indian (V-twin) and while they sound great in real life the recording makes them sound awful.

But in summary, if it were ever to go flat plane then with side exhausts and no crossover (and you don’t want a crossover on a flat plane crank) it’d sound like the local barried-up focus/escort/corsa/whatever.

[dvs_dave]

Only other flat plane crank beyond a Cerb that you’ll have likely heard often is any Ferrari V8 in the last 25 years. Don’t see anyone complaining about them sounding like your local Barry boy’s focus.

Sound aside, I was under the impression that a cruciform NA V8 benefits from an x-pipe as it also improves scavenging over separate 4-1 manifolds which is why it’s done. Boosted/blown hot rod engines it’s not so important, but NA it definitely is. I just can’t help thinking that some performance has been left on the table with what is probably a sub optimal exhaust configuration for this particular application.

[tvrolet]

dvs_dave said:

Only other flat plane crank beyond a Cerb that you’ll have likely heard often is any Ferrari V8 in the last 25 years. Don’t see anyone complaining about them sounding like your local Barry boy’s focus.

Sound aside, I was under the impression that a cruciform NA V8 benefits from an x-pipe as it also improves scavenging over separate 4-1 manifolds which is why it’s done. Boosted/blown hot rod engines it’s not so important, but NA it definitely is. I just can’t help thinking that some performance has been left on the table with what is probably a sub optimal exhaust configuration for this particular application.

My Maserati 4200 also has a flat plane crank. Sounds nice inside the car but a but meh outside. The 360 doesn’t sound like a focus since both pipes come out the back so you hear all 8 together. Plus it sounds, to me at least, like a wasp in a bottle, but then again I like a proper V8 burble/growl. But if you only year one bank out of one side then from the side you hear a 2-up 2-down 4 cylinder firing order - just like a focus.

Stick your ear next to just one of the exhausts on a Cerbera, 360 (or Masser ) and it’s just a regular 4 cylinder sound.

X-pipes don’t make a hell of a lot of difference since you have to put the cross over so far from the heads. If you were running a single carb in days of old then a dual plane intake manifold that splits the intakes into 4 equal ‘sucks’ can make a difference and I had this on the SBC motor - but it can’t have been that great as that idea had been retired on the LS which just uses long intakes off a single plenim and I believe the Ford isn’t the same. Now....if it was to have separate throttle bodies then that would be glorious 😃

[tighnamara]

That’s great, thanks for that.
Just don’t know why TVR couldn’t have attached similar links when sending mails to deposit holders the other night. Not much to ask for.

Probably gives the best view of the car yet for those who haven’t seen it yet in the flesh yet.
Love it.

Edited by tighnamara on Wednesday 20th December 21:26

Edited by jeremyc on Thursday 21st December 07:46

[bullittmcqueen]

tighnamara said:

That’s great, thanks for that.
Just don’t know why TVR couldn’t have attached similar links when sending mails to deposit holders the other night. Not much to ask for.

Probably gives the best view of the car yet for those who haven’t seen it yet in the flesh yet.
Love it.

Awesome, thanks. Doesn't sound too shabby to me. But one thing gets clearer by the day: they have to retract the wing !

It WILL turn a quite a few heads, that's for sure.

edit: there is another video in the comments, which is a bit longer (1 minute)

Edited by bullittmcqueen on Wednesday 20th December 21:27

Edited by jeremyc on Thursday 21st December 07:45

[scotty1]

It’s great to see more photos and footage but somehow it leaves a bit of a bad taste. I assume the people in the vid are the original investors is that correct ? If so I guess it’s only fair they should be seeing where their cash has gone.

I just think there should be some more official footage of stills and the car driving etc. Seeing people randomly getting to drive the only available car around someone’s country estate just seems bizarre. This footage should have been kept private imo and there should have been a professional official release video..

If someone had written the car off while joy riding it, how would this have affected timelines for deposit holders etc..

Maybe I’m being sensitive...?? Or just jealous ??

Edited by scotty1 on Wednesday 20th December 22:57

Edited by scotty1 on Thursday 21st December 08:09

[dvs_dave]

tvrolet said:

My Maserati 4200 also has a flat plane crank. Sounds nice inside the car but a but meh outside. The 360 doesn’t sound like a focus since both pipes come out the back so you hear all 8 together. Plus it sounds, to me at least, like a wasp in a bottle, but then again I like a proper V8 burble/growl. But if you only year one bank out of one side then from the side you hear a 2-up 2-down 4 cylinder firing order - just like a focus.

Stick your ear next to just one of the exhausts on a Cerbera, 360 (or Masser ) and it’s just a regular 4 cylinder sound.

Your Maserati must be knackered if that’s the noise it’s making. Maserati version of the F136 engine has a cross-plane crank. The Ferrari versions are flat crank.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-9-greatest-v8...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F136_engin...

[tighnamara]

scotty1 said:

It’s great to see more photos and footage but somehow it leaves a bit of a bad taste. I assume the people in the vid are the original investors is that correct ? If so I guess it’s only fair they should be seeing where there cash has gone.

I just think there should be some more official footage of stills and the car driving etc. Seeing people randomly getting to drive the only available car around someone’s country estate just seems bizarre. This footage should have been kept private imo and there should have been a professional official release video..

If someone had written the car off while joy riding it, how would this have affected timelines for deposit holders etc..

Maybe I’m being sensitive...?? Or just jealous ??

Edited by scotty1 on Wednesday 20th December 22:57

Think he is the CEO of the gaming company being used for the multimedia system in the car.

Investors are what they are, granted they need to keep them happy but I will say I am disappointed that such videos / clips were not released by TVR with the e mails earlier this week.

They could have controlled the release of these easily and not had the software guru company CEO releasing what is some of the best footage / pictures yet on his facebook site.

But at least he released them otherwise we may never of seen them.

Just sits a little bit strange for me at the moment and not too professional, it is early days but this is when they need to get it right with the first batch of customers.


The good thing is they all look very excited so that can only be appositive.

Edited by tighnamara on Thursday 21st December 07:59

[scotty1]

Looks like the facebook links have been removed and someone wasn't supposed to share those pictures or footage..

[anonymous-user]

scotty1 said:

Looks like the facebook links have been removed and someone wasn't supposed to share those pictures or footage..

Why would they get deleted from here, what rules were broken? If the Facebook user makes them public, it’s up to them.

More polished TVR marketing.

[tighnamara]

El stovey said:

Why would they get deleted from here, what rules were broken? If the Facebook user makes them public, it’s up to them.

More polished TVR marketing.

Bizarrely the person still has all the photos on his facebook site that is open for all to see.

[anonymous-user]

tighnamara said:

El stovey said:

Why would they get deleted from here, what rules were broken? If the Facebook user makes them public, it’s up to them.

More polished TVR marketing.

Bizarrely the person still has all the photos on his facebook site that is open for all to see.

Perhaps they’ll be made private later on. I suppose if I posted stuff on Facebook and I was contacted by someone to remove them, it would normally take ages for me to read and action it.

[Ultra Sound Guy]

I posted the link here in good faith as it appeared on my FB page.
The owner of the FB page contacted me and asked if I would remove the link from here, I complied.... Let’s move on!

[yajeed]

El stovey said:

Perhaps they’ll be made private later on. I suppose if I posted stuff on Facebook and I was contacted by someone to remove them, it would normally take ages for me to read and action it.

The better video from the comments has been removed too...

[feef]

dvs_dave said:

tvrolet said:

My Maserati 4200 also has a flat plane crank. Sounds nice inside the car but a but meh outside. The 360 doesn’t sound like a focus since both pipes come out the back so you hear all 8 together. Plus it sounds, to me at least, like a wasp in a bottle, but then again I like a proper V8 burble/growl. But if you only year one bank out of one side then from the side you hear a 2-up 2-down 4 cylinder firing order - just like a focus.

Stick your ear next to just one of the exhausts on a Cerbera, 360 (or Masser ) and it’s just a regular 4 cylinder sound.

Your Maserati must be knackered if that’s the noise it’s making. Maserati version of the F136 engine has a cross-plane crank. The Ferrari versions are flat crank.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-9-greatest-v8...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F136_engin...

If anyone talks about sound, I've yet to find something that sets the hairs on the back of my neck prickling like this does:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa5ivpJwmIQ