New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
megaphone said:
I hope they have tested to see if the car fills up in traffic! Heat transfer into the footwells may also be an issue, again I hope they are on this.
Obviously never been in a Speed 6 engined TVR then! where the cats are inches from the passenger footwellIts a TVR, this sort of health and safety, conformity, obsessed crap should as low down the order as possible.
It shouldn't have sided exiting exhausts for a flat floor, I also couldn't care less why the exhausts face sidewards on my Sagaris (something to do with back pressure or something, I dunno I don't care)
Its a TVR, and it should have side exiting exhaust simply because they appeal to the 8 year old kid in us, they need to be there for no other reason than they make us smile. A TVR is a reminder that life is for living and enjoying and if that means there is the small risk we my get overcome by carbon monoxide then so bit it. I certainly don't get concerned my Sagaris doesn't have ABS, I revel in the macho bulls**t that it doesn't just because it makes me smile, and if the cost of that is I run the risk of locking up the brakes one day and it throwing me in a hedge then so be it
Sorry for the rant but when you look at world about us, its no wonder rates of depression and suicide are so high - especially in Males in their 40s - 50s - get out and have some fun, stop stressing and worrying about every little thing!
dvs_dave said:
I think some of you are getting a bit too carried away with all the aero hype.
Yes, it’s got a lot more aero than any TVR before it, and proper ground effect, but make no mistake, it’s a long way off from being some sort of Formula 1 shaming hyper-critical aero beast.
It’s a road car that needs vents in the front for the radiator (main grille) and front brakes (vents under lights). The underbody aero isn’t really influenced by any bodywork features that sit above the front splitter, and the mufflers sit in their own independently ventilated chambers behind the front wheels.
In short, a small adjustment to the grille shape would make the square root of f
k all difference to the aero performance.
Agreed. I never mentioned aero, only cooling.Yes, it’s got a lot more aero than any TVR before it, and proper ground effect, but make no mistake, it’s a long way off from being some sort of Formula 1 shaming hyper-critical aero beast.
It’s a road car that needs vents in the front for the radiator (main grille) and front brakes (vents under lights). The underbody aero isn’t really influenced by any bodywork features that sit above the front splitter, and the mufflers sit in their own independently ventilated chambers behind the front wheels.
In short, a small adjustment to the grille shape would make the square root of f
k all difference to the aero performance.Edited by dvs_dave on Wednesday 17th January 18:03
PuffsBack said:
megaphone said:
I hope they have tested to see if the car fills up in traffic! Heat transfer into the footwells may also be an issue, again I hope they are on this.
Obviously never been in a Speed 6 engined TVR then! where the cats are inches from the passenger footwellIts a TVR, this sort of health and safety, conformity, obsessed crap should as low down the order as possible.
It shouldn't have sided exiting exhausts for a flat floor, I also couldn't care less why the exhausts face sidewards on my Sagaris (something to do with back pressure or something, I dunno I don't care)
Its a TVR, and it should have side exiting exhaust simply because they appeal to the 8 year old kid in us, they need to be there for no other reason than they make us smile. A TVR is a reminder that life is for living and enjoying and if that means there is the small risk we my get overcome by carbon monoxide then so bit it. I certainly don't get concerned my Sagaris doesn't have ABS, I revel in the macho bulls**t that it doesn't just because it makes me smile, and if the cost of that is I run the risk of locking up the brakes one day and it throwing me in a hedge then so be it
Sorry for the rant but when you look at world about us, its no wonder rates of depression and suicide are so high - especially in Males in their 40s - 50s - get out and have some fun, stop stressing and worrying about every little thing!
PuffsBack said:
Obviously never been in a Speed 6 engined TVR then! where the cats are inches from the passenger footwell
Its a TVR, this sort of health and safety, conformity, obsessed crap should as low down the order as possible.
It shouldn't have sided exiting exhausts for a flat floor, I also couldn't care less why the exhausts face sidewards on my Sagaris (something to do with back pressure or something, I dunno I don't care)
Its a TVR, and it should have side exiting exhaust simply because they appeal to the 8 year old kid in us, they need to be there for no other reason than they make us smile. A TVR is a reminder that life is for living and enjoying and if that means there is the small risk we my get overcome by carbon monoxide then so bit it. I certainly don't get concerned my Sagaris doesn't have ABS, I revel in the macho bulls**t that it doesn't just because it makes me smile, and if the cost of that is I run the risk of locking up the brakes one day and it throwing me in a hedge then so be it
Sorry for the rant but when you look at world about us, its no wonder rates of depression and suicide are so high - especially in Males in their 40s - 50s - get out and have some fun, stop stressing and worrying about every little thing!
Good point well made. If they fitted a Nissan Micra ingester and compacter to the front, I would buy one.Its a TVR, this sort of health and safety, conformity, obsessed crap should as low down the order as possible.
It shouldn't have sided exiting exhausts for a flat floor, I also couldn't care less why the exhausts face sidewards on my Sagaris (something to do with back pressure or something, I dunno I don't care)
Its a TVR, and it should have side exiting exhaust simply because they appeal to the 8 year old kid in us, they need to be there for no other reason than they make us smile. A TVR is a reminder that life is for living and enjoying and if that means there is the small risk we my get overcome by carbon monoxide then so bit it. I certainly don't get concerned my Sagaris doesn't have ABS, I revel in the macho bulls**t that it doesn't just because it makes me smile, and if the cost of that is I run the risk of locking up the brakes one day and it throwing me in a hedge then so be it
Sorry for the rant but when you look at world about us, its no wonder rates of depression and suicide are so high - especially in Males in their 40s - 50s - get out and have some fun, stop stressing and worrying about every little thing!
BJWoods said:
megaphone said:
I made some comments a few pages back re the exhausts. For me the design is compromised by the flat floor, exhausts should come out the rear, there is a reason just about every car on the road has the exhaust coming out of the rear. I think the side exhausts look pants and agree the chrome ring and internal pipe doesn't look right. I'm more concerned about where the exhaust gasses go, I hope they have tested to see if the car fills up in traffic! Heat transfer into the footwells may also be an issue, again I hope they are on this.
"exhausts should come out of the rear" - luddite statement of the century?they come out of the side , so that the car can have a flat floor, and enhanced aerodynamics/downforce.. which is good for a sports car...
go tell Gordon Murray how useless he is at aero.. go on..
Edited by BJWoods on Wednesday 17th January 13:49
I read a lot about Gordon Murray and how wonderful he is.
I know that very few cars are designed by one engineer.
Does anyone know who the other lead designers were that have had an influence in the design of the car that is currently presented and what other projects they have been involved with?
I know that very few cars are designed by one engineer.
Does anyone know who the other lead designers were that have had an influence in the design of the car that is currently presented and what other projects they have been involved with?
ianwayne said:
dvs_dave said:
I think some of you are getting a bit too carried away with all the aero hype.
Yes, it’s got a lot more aero than any TVR before it, and proper ground effect, but make no mistake, it’s a long way off from being some sort of Formula 1 shaming hyper-critical aero beast.
It’s a road car that needs vents in the front for the radiator (main grille) and front brakes (vents under lights). The underbody aero isn’t really influenced by any bodywork features that sit above the front splitter, and the mufflers sit in their own independently ventilated chambers behind the front wheels.
In short, a small adjustment to the grille shape would make the square root of fk all difference to the aero performance.
Agreed. I never mentioned aero, only cooling.Yes, it’s got a lot more aero than any TVR before it, and proper ground effect, but make no mistake, it’s a long way off from being some sort of Formula 1 shaming hyper-critical aero beast.
It’s a road car that needs vents in the front for the radiator (main grille) and front brakes (vents under lights). The underbody aero isn’t really influenced by any bodywork features that sit above the front splitter, and the mufflers sit in their own independently ventilated chambers behind the front wheels.
In short, a small adjustment to the grille shape would make the square root of f
k all difference to the aero performance.Edited by dvs_dave on Wednesday 17th January 18:03
There is nothing unusual about the powertrain other than the side pipes, so as a result it doesn’t come with any special or particularly hard to overcome heat management challenges.
megaphone said:
Yes I know why they come out the side, it's a compromise so they can have a flat floor. Fine on a Le Mans race car, but maybe not on a road car. Yes, Gordon Murray knows a lot about aerodynamics, I just hope he knows a lot about designing a practical, reliable road car.
Doesn’t seem to affect the McMerc SLR, and I think a fair few research dollars were pumped into developing that. All of which by some amazing coincidence 
has pretty much also made its way into the new Griffith.PuffsBack said:
Obviously never been in a Speed 6 engined TVR then! where the cats are inches from the passenger footwell
Its a TVR, this sort of health and safety, conformity, obsessed crap should as low down the order as possible.
It shouldn't have sided exiting exhausts for a flat floor, I also couldn't care less why the exhausts face sidewards on my Sagaris (something to do with back pressure or something, I dunno I don't care)
Its a TVR, and it should have side exiting exhaust simply because they appeal to the 8 year old kid in us, they need to be there for no other reason than they make us smile. A TVR is a reminder that life is for living and enjoying and if that means there is the small risk we my get overcome by carbon monoxide then so bit it. I certainly don't get concerned my Sagaris doesn't have ABS, I revel in the macho bulls**t that it doesn't just because it makes me smile, and if the cost of that is I run the risk of locking up the brakes one day and it throwing me in a hedge then so be it
Sorry for the rant but when you look at world about us, its no wonder rates of depression and suicide are so high - especially in Males in their 40s - 50s - get out and have some fun, stop stressing and worrying about every little thing!
Its a TVR, this sort of health and safety, conformity, obsessed crap should as low down the order as possible.
It shouldn't have sided exiting exhausts for a flat floor, I also couldn't care less why the exhausts face sidewards on my Sagaris (something to do with back pressure or something, I dunno I don't care)
Its a TVR, and it should have side exiting exhaust simply because they appeal to the 8 year old kid in us, they need to be there for no other reason than they make us smile. A TVR is a reminder that life is for living and enjoying and if that means there is the small risk we my get overcome by carbon monoxide then so bit it. I certainly don't get concerned my Sagaris doesn't have ABS, I revel in the macho bulls**t that it doesn't just because it makes me smile, and if the cost of that is I run the risk of locking up the brakes one day and it throwing me in a hedge then so be it
Sorry for the rant but when you look at world about us, its no wonder rates of depression and suicide are so high - especially in Males in their 40s - 50s - get out and have some fun, stop stressing and worrying about every little thing!
El stovey said:
megaphone said:
I made some comments a few pages back re the exhausts. For me the design is compromised by the flat floor, exhausts should come out the rear, there is a reason just about every car on the road has the exhaust coming out of the rear. I think the side exhausts look pants and agree the chrome ring and internal pipe doesn't look right. I'm more concerned about where the exhaust gasses go, I hope they have tested to see if the car fills up in traffic! Heat transfer into the footwells may also be an issue, again I hope they are on this.
I agree, it doesn’t look right and It’s difficult doing it like this because if you don’t want them to be seen, you have to have it set back into the car. As you said, looks like the exhaust gasses will be close to the driver and passenger when stationary. 
E.g. Lamborghini Aventador
Ferrari 458 “exhausts”
Many more examples here.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.carthrottle.com/p...
It will live or die on its abilities.
If it's a Mustang in a sexier outfit - it will fail.
If it's not as dynamic as a base 911 - it will fail
If it's not put together as well as a BMW - it will fail
The looks (although not perfect) are the least of their worries - 50-60k, sure they can get away with competing against a cayman or M3, 90-100k different story, Les said they are looking at cars that cost twice as much, so he has talked the talk, he just needs to ensure the car will drive how we are expecting (and we are expecting a lot).
If it doesn't perform, I definitely won't be keeping it, whereas the alfa 4c, even if it was terrible to drive and slower than a 2cv, I would still keep just because of the way it looks.
Side exhausts, rear exhausts, small, big, oval, square bla bla bla - will all be forgotten if it is a giant killer.
If with all of GM's effort, it's just average, goodbye TVR.
If it's a Mustang in a sexier outfit - it will fail.
If it's not as dynamic as a base 911 - it will fail
If it's not put together as well as a BMW - it will fail
The looks (although not perfect) are the least of their worries - 50-60k, sure they can get away with competing against a cayman or M3, 90-100k different story, Les said they are looking at cars that cost twice as much, so he has talked the talk, he just needs to ensure the car will drive how we are expecting (and we are expecting a lot).
If it doesn't perform, I definitely won't be keeping it, whereas the alfa 4c, even if it was terrible to drive and slower than a 2cv, I would still keep just because of the way it looks.
Side exhausts, rear exhausts, small, big, oval, square bla bla bla - will all be forgotten if it is a giant killer.
If with all of GM's effort, it's just average, goodbye TVR.
PuffsBack said:
megaphone said:
I hope they have tested to see if the car fills up in traffic! Heat transfer into the footwells may also be an issue, again I hope they are on this.
Obviously never been in a Speed 6 engined TVR then! where the cats are inches from the passenger footwellIts a TVR, this sort of health and safety, conformity, obsessed crap should as low down the order as possible.
It shouldn't have sided exiting exhausts for a flat floor, I also couldn't care less why the exhausts face sidewards on my Sagaris (something to do with back pressure or something, I dunno I don't care)
Its a TVR, and it should have side exiting exhaust simply because they appeal to the 8 year old kid in us, they need to be there for no other reason than they make us smile. A TVR is a reminder that life is for living and enjoying and if that means there is the small risk we my get overcome by carbon monoxide then so bit it. I certainly don't get concerned my Sagaris doesn't have ABS, I revel in the macho bulls**t that it doesn't just because it makes me smile, and if the cost of that is I run the risk of locking up the brakes one day and it throwing me in a hedge then so be it
Sorry for the rant but when you look at world about us, its no wonder rates of depression and suicide are so high - especially in Males in their 40s - 50s - get out and have some fun, stop stressing and worrying about every little thing!
TVRMs said:
I read a lot about Gordon Murray and how wonderful he is.
I know that very few cars are designed by one engineer.
Does anyone know who the other lead designers were that have had an influence in the design of the car that is currently presented and what other projects they have been involved with?
David Seesing. Worked on the new Bugatti Chiron.I know that very few cars are designed by one engineer.
Does anyone know who the other lead designers were that have had an influence in the design of the car that is currently presented and what other projects they have been involved with?
Moycie said:
TVRMs said:
I read a lot about Gordon Murray and how wonderful he is.
I know that very few cars are designed by one engineer.
Does anyone know who the other lead designers were that have had an influence in the design of the car that is currently presented and what other projects they have been involved with?
David Seesing. Worked on the new Bugatti Chiron.I know that very few cars are designed by one engineer.
Does anyone know who the other lead designers were that have had an influence in the design of the car that is currently presented and what other projects they have been involved with?
TVRMs said:
Moycie said:
TVRMs said:
I read a lot about Gordon Murray and how wonderful he is.
I know that very few cars are designed by one engineer.
Does anyone know who the other lead designers were that have had an influence in the design of the car that is currently presented and what other projects they have been involved with?
David Seesing. Worked on the new Bugatti Chiron.I know that very few cars are designed by one engineer.
Does anyone know who the other lead designers were that have had an influence in the design of the car that is currently presented and what other projects they have been involved with?
KEVTVR said:
Seems the name has been changed, not to Draig but Grittith... 
bullittmcqueen said:
TVRMs said:
Moycie said:
TVRMs said:
I read a lot about Gordon Murray and how wonderful he is.
I know that very few cars are designed by one engineer.
Does anyone know who the other lead designers were that have had an influence in the design of the car that is currently presented and what other projects they have been involved with?
David Seesing. Worked on the new Bugatti Chiron.I know that very few cars are designed by one engineer.
Does anyone know who the other lead designers were that have had an influence in the design of the car that is currently presented and what other projects they have been involved with?
So I was trying to find out if there were any credible automotive designers involved as part of the team over and above Mr Murray as looking at the car's outward and inward appearance (photographs only) it's not obvious.
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