New TVR still under wraps!

[Wacky Racer]

£90,000 is a hell of a lot of money for a car that in most cases will only be used as a Sunday toy.

However, a new Cerbera was around 50k at the time and found buyers.

I often wonder how many people who contribute to this particular thread are actually in a position to afford one? Obviously several are, and I hope you will be delighted with your purchase.

A lot of the negativity seems to centre around the front end, it will be interesting to see if TVR do anything about this pre production.

Personally, I think it looks OK.

[Testarossa]

Wacky Racer said:

Personally, I think it looks OK.

Please keep your opinions to yourself

From my perspective, I have been spoilt by Cerbera, Tuscan, T350, Sagaris - the Griff I could take or leave in the past but now love the classic shape and finally the Tamora, again, in years to come, I will probably like it...

This new griff, to me, is like the wedges of the past, not particularly good looking but powerful.

I just wish that with a clean sheet of paper and GMD they could have come out with something drop dead gorgeous or achingly ugly i.e. Alfa 4C/SZ).

TVR are trying to be all things to all men - it may sound like a robust business plan - but I disagree.

Only some men will buy this and they will fall into a few categories;

1. Poseurs (me)
2. Speed freaks (err not me officer)
3. People who can't afford a "proper" supercar, forever justifying that ugly front and why it doesn't matter because it drives better than an overpriced GT3 RS (hmm me again)
4. TVR investors and philanthropists (not me)

The new griff is like a wife when we all want a mistress!

I feel I am constantly whinging now so maybe it's time I cancelled my order as well - there is just too much competition out there - why hope TVR have got the internals right when the outside is forgettable, neither hideous nor stunning.

I hope I eat my words and in a paddock of supercars, it does hold its own like TVRs of the past.

[bullittmcqueen]

Testarossa said:

Wacky Racer said:

Personally, I think it looks OK.

Please keep your opinions to yourself

From my perspective, I have been spoilt by Cerbera, Tuscan, T350, Sagaris - the Griff I could take or leave in the past but now love the classic shape and finally the Tamora, again, in years to come, I will probably like it...

This new griff, to me, is like the wedges of the past, not particularly good looking but powerful.

I just wish that with a clean sheet of paper and GMD they could have come out with something drop dead gorgeous or achingly ugly i.e. Alfa 4C/SZ).

TVR are trying to be all things to all men - it may sound like a robust business plan - but I disagree.

Only some men will buy this and they will fall into a few categories;

1. Poseurs (me)
2. Speed freaks (err not me officer)
3. People who can't afford a "proper" supercar, forever justifying that ugly front and why it doesn't matter because it drives better than an overpriced GT3 RS (hmm me again)
4. TVR investors and philanthropists (not me)

The new griff is like a wife when we all want a mistress!

I feel I am constantly whinging now so maybe it's time I cancelled my order as well - there is just too much competition out there - why hope TVR have got the internals right when the outside is forgettable, neither hideous nor stunning.

I hope I eat my words and in a paddock of supercars, it does hold its own like TVRs of the past.

Back from holiday in beautiful Cornwall. I beg to differ, but will keep it short, as it's all been rehashed before:

- Forget wives and mistresses, we are all hoping for the Griff to be a Domina (with whip and black leather)
- This car is anything, but it's not trying to be all things to all people.
- Make it right for the 0.15% that will buy it
- Show me the competition (honestly interested)

As said, was on holiday in Cornwall. Had a brand-new Golf for rental, chose automatic for not wanting to handle mirrored shifting + driving left-sided for the first time. The whole experience has confirmed my belief that:

- i will never buy automatic as long as a car without exists
- pseudo-manual tiptronic-junk without a clutch is just that, junk
- i don't want a car nanny-nagging me ALL the time
- engine turnoff for 1.5 seconds to save fuel is an idea from the warmer departments of hell
- i will not have a car where the number of electrical engines/gimmicks exceeds the number of horsepower
- unrelated, but worth mentioning: driving on the left is inferior to driving on the right (witty word-game) side of the road

And this is for my regular car, not a fun sports car ! TVR have the right mind-set here.

It also turned out we were not mentally prepared for driving Cornish roads. Sat-Nav from hell told us to take this road for 200 yards, but decided after the first turn that it would be about 4 miles (pic from Googlemaps, top of google car, our perspective was way lower):



Stuff was scratching (said brand-new car) left and right and it took some serious sweating and scary 15 minutes hoping to avoid anything oncoming. We actually had a car oncoming later after about 10 minutes, exactly on the only spot where two cars could pass without problems. This was the worst thing, but by far not the only one. Crazy, how do people handle this in their everyday-lives ?

[barchetta_boy]

Man up!

I'd be going down there full chat in 2nd / 3rd in my Griff, Led Zep on the stereo and smoking a cheroot!

That the sort of thing you were looking for? :-)

[anonymous-user]

barchetta_boy said:

Man up!

I'd be going down there full chat in 2nd / 3rd in my Griff, Led Zep on the stereo and smoking a cheroot!

That the sort of thing you were looking for? :-)

Agreed! Being uncomfortable off a motorway is the thin end of the wedge to driving in a hat and carpet slippers

[swisstoni]

bullittmcqueen said:

It also turned out we were not mentally prepared for driving Cornish roads. Sat-Nav from hell told us to take this road for 200 yards, but decided after the first turn that it would be about 4 miles (pic from Googlemaps, top of google car, our perspective was way lower):



Stuff was scratching (said brand-new car) left and right and it took some serious sweating and scary 15 minutes hoping to avoid anything oncoming. We actually had a car oncoming later after about 10 minutes, exactly on the only spot where two cars could pass without problems. This was the worst thing, but by far not the only one. Crazy, how do people handle this in their everyday-lives ?

Me and TomTom parted ways after it decided that it could save me 10 seconds or 40yds by taking me down something like that in Cornwall.
Wing mirrors hitting both sides and it seemed about 2 miles long.
Anything coming the other way and one of us would have had an epic bit of reversing to do.

[Jurgen Schmidt]

swisstoni said:

Me and TomTom parted ways after it decided that it could save me 10 seconds or 40yds by taking me down something like that in Cornwall.
Wing mirrors hitting both sides and it seemed about 2 miles long.
Anything coming the other way and one of us would have had an epic bit of reversing to do.

Upon doing some research prior to my recent trip down to Cornwall, the guide said you spend more time going backwards than you do going forwards

[Griffithy]

barchetta_boy said:

Man up!

I'd be going down there full chat in 2nd / 3rd in my Griff, Led Zep on the stereo and smoking a cheroot!
:-)

This

Bullit, I hope you are man enough to own a TVR.

[N7GTX]

bullittmcqueen said:

- i will never buy automatic as long as a car without exists

Oh yes you will. Once you start complaining about a sore back or a bad left knee or a dodgy left hip or arthritis in your left wrist....... It will come to you and with another 5 million cars on the road in the UK in the next 5 years, crawling in traffic - yes even on motorways - and pushing that stupid pedal on the left constantly will easily change your mind.
As others have said, man up my boy (while you can)

[bullittmcqueen]

Griffithy said:

barchetta_boy said:

Man up!

I'd be going down there full chat in 2nd / 3rd in my Griff, Led Zep on the stereo and smoking a cheroot!
:-)

This

Bullit, I hope you are man enough to own a TVR.

Boys,

you're getting your TVRs with tow-hooks ? 500hp are gonna pull quite a few pigs along those roads . I'm a child of the famous Autobahn, speed-limits unknown and i got the music to match

@N7GTX:

They will pry the shiftstick from my dead, cold hands

[BJWoods]

Wacky Racer said:

£90,000 is a hell of a lot of money for a car that in most cases will only be used as a Sunday toy.

However, a new Cerbera was around 50k at the time and found buyers.

I often wonder how many people who contribute to this particular thread are actually in a position to afford one? Obviously several are, and I hope you will be delighted with your purchase.

A lot of the negativity seems to centre around the front end, it will be interesting to see if TVR do anything about this pre production.

Personally, I think it looks OK.

2018 - Morgan plus 8 - £85,000 before options...

[BJWoods]

Wacky Racer said:

£90,000 is a hell of a lot of money for a car that in most cases will only be used as a Sunday toy.

However, a new Cerbera was around 50k at the time and found buyers.

I often wonder how many people who contribute to this particular thread are actually in a position to afford one? Obviously several are, and I hope you will be delighted with your purchase.

A lot of the negativity seems to centre around the front end, it will be interesting to see if TVR do anything about this pre production.

Personally, I think it looks OK.

2018 - Morgan plus 8 - £85,000 before options...

[Slow M]

Testarossa said:

Wacky Racer said:

Personally, I think it looks OK.

Please keep your opinions to yourself

From my perspective, I have been spoilt by Cerbera, Tuscan, T350, Sagaris - the Griff I could take or leave in the past but now love the classic shape and finally the Tamora, again, in years to come, I will probably like it...

This new griff, to me, is like the wedges of the past, not particularly good looking but powerful.

I just wish that with a clean sheet of paper and GMD they could have come out with something drop dead gorgeous or achingly ugly i.e. Alfa 4C/SZ).

TVR are trying to be all things to all men - it may sound like a robust business plan - but I disagree.

Only some men will buy this and they will fall into a few categories;

1. Poseurs (me)
2. Speed freaks (err not me officer)
3. People who can't afford a "proper" supercar, forever justifying that ugly front and why it doesn't matter because it drives better than an overpriced GT3 RS (hmm me again)
4. TVR investors and philanthropists (not me)

The new griff is like a wife when we all want a mistress!

I feel I am constantly whinging now so maybe it's time I cancelled my order as well - there is just too much competition out there - why hope TVR have got the internals right when the outside is forgettable, neither hideous nor stunning.

I hope I eat my words and in a paddock of supercars, it does hold its own like TVRs of the past.

I don’t think this is trying to be a supercar. It seems as though GM has indicated, that the design intention is for it to be a truly competent, powerful SPORTS CAR! With so many brands attempting to reach for superlatives, wouldn’t it be fantastic, to have something, that has been largely absent, from the marketplace, for an enormously long time?

Presumably, if you held on, to your deposit, until the initial orders start to be filled, and arrange for an outing, in one, do you think you would sustain a financial loss?

B

[Don1]

Have we seen more than one car, and has anyone outside of TVR driven it yet?

Are there prototypes out there racking up the miles?

[Testarossa]

Good point - maybe I am asking too much - perhaps I have been carried away with Les's rhetoric. My definition of supercar is perhaps not the normal one, I think the Tuscan/Cerbera/Sagaris and to a lesser extent the T350, can be held in this regard - I just want the new car to be recognised (even if just in my head) as one.

I won't lose a penny if I cancel or sell the order on - it's the opportunity cost of waiting - I really want it to be amazing - but if it's not what I'm hoping for, will I end up making a rash decision as a rebound reflex?

Cars I have been eyeing up!

1. ATOM 4
2. NOMAD
3. GT40 RECREATION (yeah I know, but I can't afford an e type!)
4. V10 R8 Spyder (the old manual one just in case you think I'm a hypocrite)

Come 2019 and I can't go ahead, I will end up having to wait again for something new or start scouring the classifieds - the window for manual petrol cars is getting smaller and I really thought the griff would be the very best of the dinosaur age.

I hope I have provided a comprehensive answer - I love TVRs - the best looking cars on the planet - they have missed a very big trick here - is this car really poster material?

[ianwayne]

One deposit holder has his slot listed for sale. It's been on a few days but asking for nearly £500 extra is probably not the best starting price.

I have no connection to the seller, just highlighting an opportunity:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TVR-Launch-Edition-Grif...

Do deposit holders have a build number? i.e. Those numbered in the 400s will have quite a wait.

[Testarossa]

Some investors (if you can call them outsiders) drove it - it was on a facebook page. They didn't drive it in anger though - a nice video of a track lap would be nice - doesn't even have to be at mega speed.

[Testarossa]

No build numbers yet.

(I've just realised, perhaps I should be quoting the PHer before I respond).

[Testarossa]

ianwayne said:

One deposit holder has his slot listed for sale. It's been on a few days but asking for nearly £500 extra is probably not the best starting price.

Maybe he doesn't want to be a speculator. Circumstances change. I wouldn't say that is a reflection of the future value of a production car.

[swisstoni]

Slow M said:

Testarossa said:

Wacky Racer said:

Personally, I think it looks OK.

Please keep your opinions to yourself

From my perspective, I have been spoilt by Cerbera, Tuscan, T350, Sagaris - the Griff I could take or leave in the past but now love the classic shape and finally the Tamora, again, in years to come, I will probably like it...

This new griff, to me, is like the wedges of the past, not particularly good looking but powerful.

I just wish that with a clean sheet of paper and GMD they could have come out with something drop dead gorgeous or achingly ugly i.e. Alfa 4C/SZ).

TVR are trying to be all things to all men - it may sound like a robust business plan - but I disagree.

Only some men will buy this and they will fall into a few categories;

1. Poseurs (me)
2. Speed freaks (err not me officer)
3. People who can't afford a "proper" supercar, forever justifying that ugly front and why it doesn't matter because it drives better than an overpriced GT3 RS (hmm me again)
4. TVR investors and philanthropists (not me)

The new griff is like a wife when we all want a mistress!

I feel I am constantly whinging now so maybe it's time I cancelled my order as well - there is just too much competition out there - why hope TVR have got the internals right when the outside is forgettable, neither hideous nor stunning.

I hope I eat my words and in a paddock of supercars, it does hold its own like TVRs of the past.

I don’t think this is trying to be a supercar. It seems as though GM has indicated, that the design intention is for it to be a truly competent, powerful SPORTS CAR! With so many brands attempting to reach for superlatives, wouldn’t it be fantastic, to have something, that has been largely absent, from the marketplace, for an enormously long time?

Presumably, if you held on, to your deposit, until the initial orders start to be filled, and arrange for an outing, in one, do you think you would sustain a financial loss?

B

The original TVRs weren't supercars and weren't pretending to be. They may have had some supercar bothering performance figures for the time but they were really just fun sports cars.