New TVR still under wraps!
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Briza said:
As a deposit holder I have just emailed TVR and asked how i go about getting my deposit back, has anyone done this already? was it straight forward?
Cheers.
Briza, I doubt very much it will be difficult getting your money back but I hope they give you many reasons why you shouldn't cancel your order...... and you share with us! Cheers.
Pretty terrible situation where loyal TVR fans are returning deposits.
How are they going to attract new customers?
The car may be fantastic but if it fails now, it won’t really be a shock. The shame is, it all seems to be easily remedied still. Despite having all the right ingredients, designer, engine, performance etc somehow, It all looks a bit amateur.
Hopefully once it actually appears, things will change, apparently funding now doesn’t depend on orders?
How are they going to attract new customers?
The car may be fantastic but if it fails now, it won’t really be a shock. The shame is, it all seems to be easily remedied still. Despite having all the right ingredients, designer, engine, performance etc somehow, It all looks a bit amateur.
Hopefully once it actually appears, things will change, apparently funding now doesn’t depend on orders?
Testarossa said:
Briza said:
As a deposit holder I have just emailed TVR and asked how i go about getting my deposit back, has anyone done this already? was it straight forward?
Cheers.
Briza, I doubt very much it will be difficult getting your money back but I hope they give you many reasons why you shouldn't cancel your order...... and you share with us! Cheers.
Still, i don't think that returning the deposit at this point is a smart move, unless you are absolutely sure you don't want it anymore. It would be better to talk to them, maybe point them to this thread, and let your voice be heard.
Briza said:
As a deposit holder I have just emailed TVR and asked how i go about getting my deposit back, has anyone done this already? was it straight forward?
Cheers.
Yea - keep me in the loop too... I've threatened to myself so many times in the past to pull out, but I've so wanted the car I've bottled it. But it really has been going on for far too long now with no information and no apparent progress. There may well be stuff going on in the background, but precisely what I don't know. They've only built one car as far as I can see - but these cars don't need a 'factory' to build, just work cells. Sure they may want to build hundreds per year, but maybe just assemble a few more to hawk around to give deposit holders a drive - even on a hired track somewhere. Hell. I'd pay for it - I've already paid for flights and accommodation when the missus and I have gone down to see a couple of times in the past so it's not just the deposit cash I'm out-of-pocket on so far. I recall at the London show (before which I was seriously thinking of pulling out) Les said 'are you not excited at getting the car?'. My flat expression probably said it all - not really, not any longer. I was excited as a dog with two tails when I put the deposit down - I think I was shouting it to anyone that would listen 'I'VE GOT A DEPOSIT ON THE NEW TVR AND IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT!!!' But ever since it's just been a dreadful experience all round; I just keep my mouth shut now as I've nothing to tell, and sharing the little I do know just makes me realise how bad this whole experience has been. No information. No engagement. No commitment to the deposit holders. It doesn't bode well for the future sadly.Cheers.
I'm in the fortunate position, I guess, that I can afford the car - but the unfortunate position due to age and cash that this is my last/only shot at buying a new car of this type; whatever I buy now is going to have to see me out! I can't afford to buy something else and then swap to the TVR if/when it ever appears so I've been sitting tight. But it's been a great summer and if only I'd bought the Corvette I had planned to before the TVR was mentioned I could have been swanning around Europe and doing track days rather than getting progressively more pi$$ed off this summer, and last, and... I still don't know where I am in the list and haven't a clue when/if the car will ever see the light of day.
But historically every time I've been about to jump, TVR have pulled something minor out of the hat just to rekindle my flagging interest - email, car showing or whatever. But I'm off to the US in a few weeks and I'll be trawling round a few Chevy dealers. Yes, I know its left hand drive and I've all the import milarky to go through, but I've driven Corvettes quite a lot in the US (although this trip I've only managed to rent a Challenger...but had them a few times before too) and they're stunning pieces of kit. In fairness I've only driven the regular Stingray (and C6 and C5 before it) and I'm looking for a C7 Z06, so while it's going to be heavier than the TVR (if promises are kept) it'll also be kicking out a whole lot more power. So right now my excitement level is zero re the TVR. but 10 (out of 10) at the thought of the Z06. But it shouldn't have to be this way; I've been the most fanatical of TVR fanatics for years...but it's becoming apparent that I'd be better off just remembering the good old days of Cerberas and Tuscans and looking elsewhere for the future.
It's just so disappointing - it wouldn't take much to keep folks excited and 'on the hook', and I think every deposit holder could come up with 10 no cost/low cost things that would make folks feel engaged...so why can't TVR come up with anything?
ahm [almost] oot...
tvrolet said:
Briza said:
As a deposit holder I have just emailed TVR and asked how i go about getting my deposit back, has anyone done this already? was it straight forward?
Cheers.
Yea - keep me in the loop too... I've threatened to myself so many times in the past to pull out, but I've so wanted the car I've bottled it. But it really has been going on for far too long now with no information and no apparent progress. There may well be stuff going on in the background, but precisely what I don't know. They've only built one car as far as I can see - but these cars don't need a 'factory' to build, just work cells. Sure they may want to build hundreds per year, but maybe just assemble a few more to hawk around to give deposit holders a drive - even on a hired track somewhere. Hell. I'd pay for it - I've already paid for flights and accommodation when the missus and I have gone down to see a couple of times in the past so it's not just the deposit cash I'm out-of-pocket on so far. I recall at the London show (before which I was seriously thinking of pulling out) Les said 'are you not excited at getting the car?'. My flat expression probably said it all - not really, not any longer. I was excited as a dog with two tails when I put the deposit down - I think I was shouting it to anyone that would listen 'I'VE GOT A DEPOSIT ON THE NEW TVR AND IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT!!!' But ever since it's just been a dreadful experience all round; I just keep my mouth shut now as I've nothing to tell, and sharing the little I do know just makes me realise how bad this whole experience has been. No information. No engagement. No commitment to the deposit holders. It doesn't bode well for the future sadly.Cheers.
I'm in the fortunate position, I guess, that I can afford the car - but the unfortunate position due to age and cash that this is my last/only shot at buying a new car of this type; whatever I buy now is going to have to see me out! I can't afford to buy something else and then swap to the TVR if/when it ever appears so I've been sitting tight. But it's been a great summer and if only I'd bought the Corvette I had planned to before the TVR was mentioned I could have been swanning around Europe and doing track days rather than getting progressively more pi$$ed off this summer, and last, and... I still don't know where I am in the list and haven't a clue when/if the car will ever see the light of day.
But historically every time I've been about to jump, TVR have pulled something minor out of the hat just to rekindle my flagging interest - email, car showing or whatever. But I'm off to the US in a few weeks and I'll be trawling round a few Chevy dealers. Yes, I know its left hand drive and I've all the import milarky to go through, but I've driven Corvettes quite a lot in the US (although this trip I've only managed to rent a Challenger...but had them a few times before too) and they're stunning pieces of kit. In fairness I've only driven the regular Stingray (and C6 and C5 before it) and I'm looking for a C7 Z06, so while it's going to be heavier than the TVR (if promises are kept) it'll also be kicking out a whole lot more power. So right now my excitement level is zero re the TVR. but 10 (out of 10) at the thought of the Z06. But it shouldn't have to be this way; I've been the most fanatical of TVR fanatics for years...but it's becoming apparent that I'd be better off just remembering the good old days of Cerberas and Tuscans and looking elsewhere for the future.
It's just so disappointing - it wouldn't take much to keep folks excited and 'on the hook', and I think every deposit holder could come up with 10 no cost/low cost things that would make folks feel engaged...so why can't TVR come up with anything?
ahm [almost] oot...
As a TVR fan that's followed this car from early days, but is (and will be for a long time) well out of budget for a TVR.. I can only share your frustration / disappointment.
I don't necessarily have a vested interest in the new car but I've been so hopeful on its progression... I want nothing more than to see them kick off production and start churning out and delivering cars.
The trouble is, and it's something we mentioned recently, is that their 'marketing' just seems behind the times.. I understand that they can't show things if there's nothing to show, but with all respect to Les and the team, they seem to be going about it a bit wrong.
No show at Goodwood FoS seemed like a really obvious cock up. Even just running it up the hill a couple times at 6/10ths, would at least remind people that the car / brand still existed..
No disrespect to any of you, or to Pistonheads, but it does feel a bit wrong sometimes that a forum like this is where I have to come to get vague updates on the release of a supposed amazing new car from a revived legendary brand..
I want to see it on social media, YouTube channels, car news sites / blogs.. It feels like they need some modern brand management to keep interest and hype rolling...
Tell me if I'm talking out of my backside guys - as I say I'm an outsider here but really, really want this car to happen and succeed.
I don't necessarily have a vested interest in the new car but I've been so hopeful on its progression... I want nothing more than to see them kick off production and start churning out and delivering cars.
The trouble is, and it's something we mentioned recently, is that their 'marketing' just seems behind the times.. I understand that they can't show things if there's nothing to show, but with all respect to Les and the team, they seem to be going about it a bit wrong.
No show at Goodwood FoS seemed like a really obvious cock up. Even just running it up the hill a couple times at 6/10ths, would at least remind people that the car / brand still existed..
No disrespect to any of you, or to Pistonheads, but it does feel a bit wrong sometimes that a forum like this is where I have to come to get vague updates on the release of a supposed amazing new car from a revived legendary brand..
I want to see it on social media, YouTube channels, car news sites / blogs.. It feels like they need some modern brand management to keep interest and hype rolling...
Tell me if I'm talking out of my backside guys - as I say I'm an outsider here but really, really want this car to happen and succeed.
smithyithy said:
I want to see it on social media, YouTube channels, car news sites / blogs.. It feels like they need some modern brand management to keep interest and hype rolling...
Shmee has one on order, not suggesting that he has any favour over any other deposit holders, but maybe a new video with him and Les having a blat?TVR_Steve said:
Shmee has one on order, not suggesting that he has any favour over any other deposit holders, but maybe a new video with him and Les having a blat?
Pretty much this kinda thing, despite the mixed opinions on these vloggers and that whole scene.. I do think it can serve a purpose especially for a brand that is working to 'reinvent' itself to the new / next generationsmithyithy said:
TVR_Steve said:
Shmee has one on order, not suggesting that he has any favour over any other deposit holders, but maybe a new video with him and Les having a blat?
Pretty much this kinda thing, despite the mixed opinions on these vloggers and that whole scene.. I do think it can serve a purpose especially for a brand that is working to 'reinvent' itself to the new / next generationBriza said:
As a deposit holder I have just emailed TVR and asked how i go about getting my deposit back, has anyone done this already? was it straight forward?
Cheers.
Ring em up, give em your bank details and its gets transferred back to you.Cheers.
I thought it would be a mare as i paid on a CC but clear it off every month but it ws no hassle at all.
tvrolet said:
smithyithy said:
TVR_Steve said:
Shmee has one on order, not suggesting that he has any favour over any other deposit holders, but maybe a new video with him and Les having a blat?
Pretty much this kinda thing, despite the mixed opinions on these vloggers and that whole scene.. I do think it can serve a purpose especially for a brand that is working to 'reinvent' itself to the new / next generationBuild a Factory, buy the machinery, employ staff, then start to build the car = 3 years perhaps.
Unfortunately for you deposit holders TVR have you hooked into a dream. They know how smitten you all are with TVR and seem to playing on this to string you along with a dribble of info now and again, seemingly as little as they can get away with.
If they suddenly had 500 deposit holders demanding answers to the basic questions being asked on here and demanding 500 deposits back if answers and a timeline commitment isn't forthcoming, you might get some feedback.
TVR know that won't happen and will continue to string you along with little or no communication. Doesn't bode well for after sales service , if indeed there is any after sales.
The sad thing is, assuming all is progressing well albeit a little slower than first predicted, the current situation sows many seeds of doubt, and you end up with disgruntled customers before you even become true customers, so unnecessary and a real "shoot yourself in the foot" scenario.
TVR shouldn't forget there is great expectation, goodwill and trust from the deposit holders, why bite the hand that feeds you and throw all this away, unless there are real issues they are trying to conceal.
If they suddenly had 500 deposit holders demanding answers to the basic questions being asked on here and demanding 500 deposits back if answers and a timeline commitment isn't forthcoming, you might get some feedback.
TVR know that won't happen and will continue to string you along with little or no communication. Doesn't bode well for after sales service , if indeed there is any after sales.
The sad thing is, assuming all is progressing well albeit a little slower than first predicted, the current situation sows many seeds of doubt, and you end up with disgruntled customers before you even become true customers, so unnecessary and a real "shoot yourself in the foot" scenario.
TVR shouldn't forget there is great expectation, goodwill and trust from the deposit holders, why bite the hand that feeds you and throw all this away, unless there are real issues they are trying to conceal.
bullittmcqueen said:
Testarossa said:
Briza said:
As a deposit holder I have just emailed TVR and asked how i go about getting my deposit back, has anyone done this already? was it straight forward?
Cheers.
Briza, I doubt very much it will be difficult getting your money back but I hope they give you many reasons why you shouldn't cancel your order...... and you share with us! Cheers.
Still, i don't think that returning the deposit at this point is a smart move, unless you are absolutely sure you don't want it anymore. It would be better to talk to them, maybe point them to this thread, and let your voice be heard.
When the Tesla 3 finally appears, thousands upon thousands will bail and that’s with the M.D. running a full time communications service.
Maybe Les should get on Twitter and make up a few wild lies and acuse people of being peados?
RichB said:
one wonders how Peter and Ben made customer relations all look so seem so simple 20 years ago!
The answer was that it WAS much more simple 20 years ago!Today, product life cycles are short, and there are many more players in the market, and thanks to instant media, you find out about those players instantaneously. In the late 1990's a mainstream platform model would have at least a 5 year life, and specialist, low volume models up to twice that. Today, the big players have a facelift after just 18 months, and a replacement after as little as 3 years! So, there is always new metal to buy, new releases, new "scoops" and new temptations. Add in the fact that the recent sea change in technology possibilities for EVs and hybrids have opened a new door, and it's easy for something to slide off the front page really very quickly.
However, i think there is still a (small) market for a classic 'analogue' sports car, but that segment needs to be nurtured and carefully managed, if it is to avoid being tempted off by other "exciting" options.
Given the target audience, personally i think that not being at the FoS was a huge omission, and whilst pitches at that show are expensive, the ability to demo the moving, roaring, car up the hill has got to be exactly what deposit holders, and potential customers would have needed....
BJWoods said:
Wacky Racer said:
£90,000 is a hell of a lot of money for a car that in most cases will only be used as a Sunday toy.
However, a new Cerbera was around 50k at the time and found buyers.
I often wonder how many people who contribute to this particular thread are actually in a position to afford one? Obviously several are, and I hope you will be delighted with your purchase.
A lot of the negativity seems to centre around the front end, it will be interesting to see if TVR do anything about this pre production.
Personally, I think it looks OK.
2018 - Morgan plus 8 - £85,000 before options... However, a new Cerbera was around 50k at the time and found buyers.
I often wonder how many people who contribute to this particular thread are actually in a position to afford one? Obviously several are, and I hope you will be delighted with your purchase.
A lot of the negativity seems to centre around the front end, it will be interesting to see if TVR do anything about this pre production.
Personally, I think it looks OK.
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