New TVR still under wraps!

[BJWoods]

GazzaM100 said:

I heard the engine in it isn't available/meets required regulations anymore, can't remember which. Any truth in it?

You heard..

Who from. Or are just spreading malicious unverified gossip.
Latest official, is TVR are using the very latest spec engine

[DonkeyApple]

GazzaM100 said:

I heard the engine in it isn't available/meets required regulations anymore, can't remember which. Any truth in it?

Yup. It’s a big blow.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...

[bullittmcqueen]

steveT350C said:

Thanks.

Front and color look good in this one, showing a lot of detail and curves that get lost in most of the bland shots. Guess that's why a lot of people don't like it on photos, but change their mind when seeing it live.

[TwinKam]

DonkeyApple said:

GazzaM100 said:

I heard the engine in it isn't available/meets required regulations anymore, can't remember which. Any truth in it?

Yup. It’s a big blow.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...

Proabyl a musprint...

[Testarossa]

bullittmcqueen said:

Spoke passionately and from the heart

Thanks Bullitt.

That image does look nice, but I have seen it in the flesh and cannot get over the size of the headlamp covers - all they need to do is tweak that small aspect and it will have a completely different/aggressive character.

[bullittmcqueen]

Testarossa said:

bullittmcqueen said:

Spoke passionately and from the heart

Thanks Bullitt.

That image does look nice, but I have seen it in the flesh and cannot get over the size of the headlamp covers - all they need to do is tweak that small aspect and it will have a completely different/aggressive character.

Where's that quote from ?? Was that me ? Not my pic, credits go to steveT350C

Anyway. Haven't seen it live since the depositor showings but been looking at pictures all over and this is one that shows a lot more detail which, i guess, are even more visible in nature. I'm with you that it could have been more aggressive and that different headlamps would have given it a more decisive look. I just wanted to point out, that even the way it is, it's not as bad live as some of the ugly pics suggest.

Front also looks cool here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo-Rccip5Es

[Testarossa]

It's me and technology. I was responded to 2 posts - yours and the Silverstone one!

[RichB]

bullittmcqueen said:

Front and color look good in this one, showing a lot of detail and curves that get lost in most of the bland shots. Guess that's why a lot of people don't like it on photos, but change their mind when seeing it live.

Conversely, I saw it live at Goodwood 10 months ago before I saw any pictures and didn't like the front... still don't.

[bullittmcqueen]

RichB said:

bullittmcqueen said:

Front and color look good in this one, showing a lot of detail and curves that get lost in most of the bland shots. Guess that's why a lot of people don't like it on photos, but change their mind when seeing it live.

Conversely, I saw it live at Goodwood 10 months ago before I saw any pictures and didn't like the front... still don't.

Fair enough, i would have preferred something more aggressive as well. What puzzles me a bit is, that this has been voiced by more than a few people and also magazines. I understand that this cannot and should not be decided by vote, but there must have been some room for action if they had listened earlier.

Anyway, i don't expect it to change anymore and i'm ok with that.

[BJWoods]

Engine wise, unless any has any actual news, this is where we are at: (TVR - March)

"We are now able to reveal that we will be supplying the first cars off the line fitted with the new direct injection version of the Coyote engine from the outset. We have embarked on a programme to ensure the engine is fully compatible with all our requirements. It comes with a significant power uplift ‘out of the box’, but as you know, it’s more about control of the power (i.e. delivery, torque curve etc.) than the absolute power itself (although that promises to be ‘more than adequate'!).

This new generation 3 engine has a number of advanced features, as in addition to being both high pressure (direct) and low pressure (port) injected, it is of higher compression too. This combined with the latest state-of-the-art engine management for its sixteen (yes 16!) injectors, now liberates even more horsepower and torque than previous versions, whilst being even more efficient in the process. As the very latest incarnation of the Coyote base motor, the Cosworth developed dry-sump and other enhancements will also carry over to the new power plant with minimal effort, so another win-win for Launch Edition Griffith owners."

[smithyithy]

So what's the current predicted power output of this engine then? Is it looking like closer to 550 than 500?

[Stever]

FFS TVR listen to your current and future customers on this thread - give them an update there must be some however small. Silence is not a good sign.

The first mistake in my eyes was launching the car at the Revival, that's all about older cars. Ok I almost get the 'revival' of the Griffith name but not showing the car at this years FOS a week ago was a massive error of judgement and a big disappointment for me as I've still to see it in the flesh.

I really wish, as the owner of a Griffith (MK2) they had chosen a different name, this is my third TVR spanning 20 years of ownership but even several years down the line I don't think the MK3 will be one I want to own sadly.

Depositors are starting to ask for their money back, wake up and smell the coffee TVR I'd still like to see the car succeed.

[N7GTX]

There's a wealth of engine info on this, in the link. Compression ratio of 12:1

https://www.enginelabs.com/news/a-peek-inside-the-...

[anonymous-user]

The mule is running the old port injected engine on an "aftermarket" engine controller from MBE, so if they are moving to the latest engine with DI, that means almost certainly they are swapping to the OEM engine controller, and that, potentially, means a lot of validation work on the base engine calibration (to check it's running optimally in the vehicle), but also on the myriad On Board Diagnostics (OBD) that critically must be certified before the vehicle can be sold. That process, assuming a mature base calibration (im sure TVR will be buying the engine as a crate engine with a base cal), and even assuming they can carry over some of the certification papers from the OEM, could easily be an 18 month long slog........

[BJWoods]

But. Whilst this engine was only announced in March. It had been decided a lot earlier

[bullittmcqueen]

Max_Torque said:

The mule is running the old port injected engine on an "aftermarket" engine controller from MBE, so if they are moving to the latest engine with DI, that means almost certainly they are swapping to the OEM engine controller, and that, potentially, means a lot of validation work on the base engine calibration (to check it's running optimally in the vehicle), but also on the myriad On Board Diagnostics (OBD) that critically must be certified before the vehicle can be sold. That process, assuming a mature base calibration (im sure TVR will be buying the engine as a crate engine with a base cal), and even assuming they can carry over some of the certification papers from the OEM, could easily be an 18 month long slog........

Isn't Cosworth doing a lot of that work ?

[anonymous-user]

bullittmcqueen said:

Max_Torque said:

The mule is running the old port injected engine on an "aftermarket" engine controller from MBE, so if they are moving to the latest engine with DI, that means almost certainly they are swapping to the OEM engine controller, and that, potentially, means a lot of validation work on the base engine calibration (to check it's running optimally in the vehicle), but also on the myriad On Board Diagnostics (OBD) that critically must be certified before the vehicle can be sold. That process, assuming a mature base calibration (im sure TVR will be buying the engine as a crate engine with a base cal), and even assuming they can carry over some of the certification papers from the OEM, could easily be an 18 month long slog........

Isn't Cosworth doing a lot of that work ?

I don't know, i doubt it, given that it requires people with experience of EOBD calibration and certification, which is a way outside Cosworths remit.

(they redesigned the exhaust and intake system and calibrated the MBE ecu for the V8 used in the mule, a far simpler task and something that didn't require specialist knowledge)

[Englishman]

Must admit to getting frustrated at the lack of communication.

When I placed the deposit in 2016 I was hoping/expecting the car to be a XX birthday present to myself.

That milestone has now passed and I'm beginning to think (a) I'll be too old to drive it properly by the time it does actually arrive and (b) it'll be a dinosaur in that only hybrid or electric cars will be the vehicles with a sensible residual value at the time.

Until I see the the car for the first time in the flesh at Beaulieu in a couple of weeks and hopefully talk to Les, my deposit remains with TVR though, so still hopeful if not totally smitten!

[DonkeyApple]

It is a dinosaur. That’s it’s USP.

As for being too old, well, let’s not forget Tommy Entwhistle.

A car project like this was always going to be late. They always are.

[dvs_dave]

smithyithy said:

So what's the current predicted power output of this engine then? Is it looking like closer to 550 than 500?

Given port injection coyote in the UK Mustang pushes 420 hp and the TVR version makes at least 480 hp (to maintain that 400hp/ton), that’s approx a 15% increase. About right for a tuned up yank motor. Their base tunes typically leave a lot of “headroom”.

Apply that same logic to the now standard with 450hp DI Coyote engine, and you’re looking at at least 520hp for the TVR version, possibly more. Not too shabby!