New TVR still under wraps!
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rev-erend said:
Fair enough really but it would be nice to see that they are looking into the vast amount of critics who just do not like the gaping mouth look as it does seem to be a deal breaker for many.
He alludes to that though with his comment about mostly positive comments from those that have seen it in the flesh.. PuffsBack said:
Monkeylegend said:
Not really, there is no need to "slag" Lotus off, they have manufacturing facilities, they have cars being produced now, you can buy one now, they have backing to develop new models, they have a skilled workforce, none of which TVR have at the moment.
Trying to point score over Lotus is pretty poor form when TVR have nothing to offer but promises and hype at the current time, plus £2.5 million of depositors money.
A clear statement of when the first cars will be produced would be a step forward, but they clearly are a long way from knowing that or they would say so. Let's hope that's the big, soon showing near you, announcement.
Agree - the Evora is a much underrated car. I still bemused by why people are waiting for the new Griff when they can buy an Evora now. Other than the exhaust note I am struggling to see why you would by a new Griff over it. You can tout your 'GM Ground Effect' as much as you like, but good luck with keeping up with an Evora over Norfolk B roads!Trying to point score over Lotus is pretty poor form when TVR have nothing to offer but promises and hype at the current time, plus £2.5 million of depositors money.
A clear statement of when the first cars will be produced would be a step forward, but they clearly are a long way from knowing that or they would say so. Let's hope that's the big, soon showing near you, announcement.
Admit I am slightly biased due to the fact I am close to completing the purchase of a house only a few miles from Hethel but still the Evora is the nearest thing to interesting me after the Sag
Testarossa said:
PuffsBack said:
Monkeylegend said:
Not really, there is no need to "slag" Lotus off, they have manufacturing facilities, they have cars being produced now, you can buy one now, they have backing to develop new models, they have a skilled workforce, none of which TVR have at the moment.
Trying to point score over Lotus is pretty poor form when TVR have nothing to offer but promises and hype at the current time, plus £2.5 million of depositors money.
A clear statement of when the first cars will be produced would be a step forward, but they clearly are a long way from knowing that or they would say so. Let's hope that's the big, soon showing near you, announcement.
Agree - the Evora is a much underrated car. I still bemused by why people are waiting for the new Griff when they can buy an Evora now. Other than the exhaust note I am struggling to see why you would by a new Griff over it. You can tout your 'GM Ground Effect' as much as you like, but good luck with keeping up with an Evora over Norfolk B roads!Trying to point score over Lotus is pretty poor form when TVR have nothing to offer but promises and hype at the current time, plus £2.5 million of depositors money.
A clear statement of when the first cars will be produced would be a step forward, but they clearly are a long way from knowing that or they would say so. Let's hope that's the big, soon showing near you, announcement.
Admit I am slightly biased due to the fact I am close to completing the purchase of a house only a few miles from Hethel but still the Evora is the nearest thing to interesting me after the Sag
It says: "Some LE included features will NOT be available on later models, including ‘configurable’ cars."
But what exactly, as all the main bits listed are an option on the configurable car? beside the LE unique paint option and LE wheels?
not complaining, just curious, as all specc'ed up configurable car, will be way more than the LE price. a bargain..
(as a comparison, new on the road price for a Morgan Plus 8, without options, is £85,000 + !)
But what exactly, as all the main bits listed are an option on the configurable car? beside the LE unique paint option and LE wheels?
not complaining, just curious, as all specc'ed up configurable car, will be way more than the LE price. a bargain..
(as a comparison, new on the road price for a Morgan Plus 8, without options, is £85,000 + !)
Edited by BJWoods on Wednesday 15th August 12:16
Edited by BJWoods on Wednesday 15th August 12:22
rev-erend said:
When Les says "one of our founders"
I presume this must mean one of my fellow investors.. as the narrative is pure sales hype. Fair enough really but it would be nice to see that they are looking into the vast amount of critics who just do not like the gaping mouth look as it does seem to be a deal breaker for many.
Also he could mention that deposits are held in a secure account but instead he mentions where in the Queue people are..
But overall, as least they put some info out there to show the tough time they are having bringing a new car with no production facilities to market.
a deposit holder is not an investor.. (ie if you have a deposit on a model 3, Tesla, you are equally not an investor in the company, just a customer with a deposit)I presume this must mean one of my fellow investors.. as the narrative is pure sales hype. Fair enough really but it would be nice to see that they are looking into the vast amount of critics who just do not like the gaping mouth look as it does seem to be a deal breaker for many.
Also he could mention that deposits are held in a secure account but instead he mentions where in the Queue people are..
But overall, as least they put some info out there to show the tough time they are having bringing a new car with no production facilities to market.
he is speaking about someone with a share of the company I presume.
Jhonno said:
Testarossa said:
PuffsBack said:
Monkeylegend said:
Not really, there is no need to "slag" Lotus off, they have manufacturing facilities, they have cars being produced now, you can buy one now, they have backing to develop new models, they have a skilled workforce, none of which TVR have at the moment.
Trying to point score over Lotus is pretty poor form when TVR have nothing to offer but promises and hype at the current time, plus £2.5 million of depositors money.
A clear statement of when the first cars will be produced would be a step forward, but they clearly are a long way from knowing that or they would say so. Let's hope that's the big, soon showing near you, announcement.
Agree - the Evora is a much underrated car. I still bemused by why people are waiting for the new Griff when they can buy an Evora now. Other than the exhaust note I am struggling to see why you would by a new Griff over it. You can tout your 'GM Ground Effect' as much as you like, but good luck with keeping up with an Evora over Norfolk B roads!Trying to point score over Lotus is pretty poor form when TVR have nothing to offer but promises and hype at the current time, plus £2.5 million of depositors money.
A clear statement of when the first cars will be produced would be a step forward, but they clearly are a long way from knowing that or they would say so. Let's hope that's the big, soon showing near you, announcement.
Admit I am slightly biased due to the fact I am close to completing the purchase of a house only a few miles from Hethel but still the Evora is the nearest thing to interesting me after the Sag
He's not likely to say any different though is he, he has a vested interest in TVR.
It would be good to see a car made available for the motoring press to drive and for them to do the comparision. It might well be a better car but if you can't produce it and buy it what's the point.
All we have heard from LE is how great the Griffith is, what we want to hear is when is it going to be available for the deposit holders.
He's already trying to lower expectations by saying the first production runs will be at much reduced capacity, despite also saying that the beauty of i stream is that you can pop up a factory overnight, and start production.
He has spouted a lot of waffle but very little clear indication of when they will be in production. We know all about what he has just posted, that's just a repeat of things he has said before, but I suppose for many that is enough to get excited about again.
It's just delaying tactics with nothing of substance to note.
Testarossa said:
You guys are missing the point. This is about Les, not about the Evora. He "believes" rightly or wrongly, the griff is either better than an evora or better value - nothing more nothing less.
Its better value for sure in the sense its cheaper - better car I suppose depends on what you are looking for. I suppose there are a lot of old school TVRers on here who like me couldn't get a flying **** about 'Ground Effect' other that the diffuser at the rear looks awesome, and are just disappointed with the looks and still wanted that 8 year old boy 'WOW' poster on the bedroom wall feeling the new Griff doesn't have. Of course there are not enough of us old school TVR's for them to sell to so I can understand how they are stuck between a rock and a hard place.With Ground Effect will it out pace an Evora on a track, possibly so if that's the aim they you could say the Griff is the better car.
For me the Evora is better looking and going to be quicker over the Suffolk/Norfolk B roads where I live (as thats where I use my cars for enjoyment) plus
by the sounds of it going to be more exclusive
However.....the Sag is slower than both (by quite a long way I should imagine) and way more mad looking - yet I have no inclination to sell it for either a Griff or an Evora
Maybe I am just shallow and aesthetics are everything
PuffsBack said:
However.....the Sag is slower than both (by quite a long way I should imagine) and way more mad looking - yet I have no inclination to sell it for either a Griff or an Evora
Maybe I am just shallow and aesthetics are everything
If I had a Sagaris, I would never sell it - AMAZING LOOKING THINGS - problem is, I'm too tight to pay for something I could have got for half the price about 10 years ago Maybe I am just shallow and aesthetics are everything
I think the market TVR are going for does revolve around aesthetics/bedroom posters that is why I am disappointed - but I cannot dismiss the griff purely down to the front because I can do something about that IF the car is a giant killer.
Okay, I'll say it "You're not shallow" now come over here and give me a hug
smithyithy said:
Question regarding the dry dump in the LE cars - I was under the impression that all cars had to be dry-sumped to help the engine fit and sit low enough to work in the car, I take it there won't be any packaging issues with the wet sump of the non-LE cars then?
Am sure I read (in either Sprint or Evo) that the dry sump is supposed to drop the engine 100mm so your statement makes perfect sense to me!However when I've looked into these things before, a dry sump may be super low profile (the RV8 wet sump is 6" I believe), but you need to have a smaller flywheel, clutch and bellhousing too. Along with a gearbox that is small enough too. Magnums are chunky boxes so I took the original statement with a big pinch of virtual salt!
Testarossa said:
If I had a Sagaris, I would never sell it - AMAZING LOOKING THINGS - problem is, I'm too tight to pay for something I could have got for half the price about 10 years ago
I think the market TVR are going for does revolve around aesthetics/bedroom posters that is why I am disappointed - but I cannot dismiss the griff purely down to the front because I can do something about that IF the car is a giant killer.
Okay, I'll say it "You're not shallow" now come over here and give me a hug
Won’t you always be looking at it and thinking “that face is just wrong” I think the market TVR are going for does revolve around aesthetics/bedroom posters that is why I am disappointed - but I cannot dismiss the griff purely down to the front because I can do something about that IF the car is a giant killer.
Okay, I'll say it "You're not shallow" now come over here and give me a hug
Or are you saying you’re going to buy it and get it altered?
Pretty much the entire sports car market revolves around people seeing a car they like and thinking “wow that’s great”.
Not studying it for hours to decide if it looks good or thinking it’s OK apart from the front. Or having to get used to it. Or thinking it looks like a Toyota.
Even the posted update has les saying the driver said it looks better in the flesh. How do they expect to sell cars if they even slightly think it looks a bit rubbish in pictures?
Why not just change the front. It looks terrible. They haven’t even got a place to build it yet, nobody cares about istream and other b
ks just accept it’s fugly and change the front. Because instead of looking menacing and snarling, it looks like a fish. From memory, cerberas and tamoras had changes to the front, cerberas got 2 lights instead of 1 and tamoras had T350 lights?
I think smoking/blackening the lenses and picking the right colour may be enough for me to overlook the fact that Les ignored my pleas.
My cousin is quite a high roller in automotive tuning/carbon fibre/bespoke body kits etc. so will just ask him if he can improve the front to my taste - but that will be the last resort as I don't want to create a frankenstein's monster (even though it currently looks like Igor!).
All this is dependent on whether it's any good though
I think smoking/blackening the lenses and picking the right colour may be enough for me to overlook the fact that Les ignored my pleas.
My cousin is quite a high roller in automotive tuning/carbon fibre/bespoke body kits etc. so will just ask him if he can improve the front to my taste - but that will be the last resort as I don't want to create a frankenstein's monster (even though it currently looks like Igor!).
All this is dependent on whether it's any good though
Monkeylegend said:
Testarossa said:
I thought it was a great update. I liked the slagging off of Lotus (even though I like Lotus) that can only come from a confident place.
Not really, there is no need to "slag" Lotus off, they have manufacturing facilities, they have cars being produced now, you can buy one now, they have backing to develop new models, they have a skilled workforce, none of which TVR have at the moment.Trying to point score over Lotus is pretty poor form when TVR have nothing to offer but promises and hype at the current time, plus £2.5 million of depositors money.
A clear statement of when the first cars will be produced would be a step forward, but they clearly are a long way from knowing that or they would say so. Let's hope that's the big, soon showing near you, announcement.
That email was an awful lot of words to say, well, not very much really - other than they still don't have anywhere permanent to build a car and they basically have no idea whatsoever when production will star or how many cars they will be able to make from the get-go.
I don't have an order in as a) I don't have the spare cash and b) it doesn't really look that great to me. That said, I have been hanging on to my lowly Chim for a while now in the hope that prices might creep up on the coat tails of a new TVR launch. I've been thinking for a while that I may have been rather optimistic on that front and that email doesn't do a lot to inspire me.
I really really hope I'm wrong but when a number of initial investors, just on this forum - the people that TVR so desperately need, decide to bail out as they simply don't have enough faith (and basically that's all there is at the moment, blind faith), then it's a worrying time.
El stovey said:
Won’t you always be looking at it and thinking “that face is just wrong”
Or are you saying you’re going to buy it and get it altered?
Pretty much the entire sports car market revolves around people seeing a car they like and thinking “wow that’s great”.
Not studying it for hours to decide if it looks good or thinking it’s OK apart from the front. Or having to get used to it. Or thinking it looks like a Toyota.
Even the posted update has les saying the driver said it looks better in the flesh. How do they expect to sell cars if they even slightly think it looks a bit rubbish in pictures?
Why not just change the front. It looks terrible. They haven’t even got a place to build it yet, nobody cares about istream and other bks just accept it’s fugly and change the front. Because instead of looking menacing and snarling, it looks like a fish.
+1Or are you saying you’re going to buy it and get it altered?
Pretty much the entire sports car market revolves around people seeing a car they like and thinking “wow that’s great”.
Not studying it for hours to decide if it looks good or thinking it’s OK apart from the front. Or having to get used to it. Or thinking it looks like a Toyota.
Even the posted update has les saying the driver said it looks better in the flesh. How do they expect to sell cars if they even slightly think it looks a bit rubbish in pictures?
Why not just change the front. It looks terrible. They haven’t even got a place to build it yet, nobody cares about istream and other b
ks just accept it’s fugly and change the front. Because instead of looking menacing and snarling, it looks like a fish. Wow factor is not something you have to go looking for, or stand at the right angle to see
They wouldn’t even need to admit it was a mistake - they could claim it is to improve airflow or front downforce or some other marketing BS.
julianc said:
Jhonno said:
TVR Power are now Powers Performance.. Nothing to do with the tuning of this engine.
The engine is tuned by Cosworth.
So who is 'TVR Power', and where are they?The engine is tuned by Cosworth.
Powers Performance is now called Doms Power Limited - https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0250118...
The confusion arises on a Google search which if you put in Powers Performance comes up with Dom's old name and website.
As I understand it: (please forgive/correct errors)
There once was an engine building company in Coventry (specialising in Suzuki IIRC?) that TVR used to develop and stretch the RV8s. The work grew to such a level that they were incorporated into TVR under the name TVR Power, later also building the AJP V8s and S6s.
After the collapse of TVR, TVR Power (Dom) bought his company back from Smolenski and continued the TVR work.
Under the new Les Edgar regime, they couldn't/wouldn't agree terms with TVR, hence had to change their name, now known Powers Performance.
There once was an engine building company in Coventry (specialising in Suzuki IIRC?) that TVR used to develop and stretch the RV8s. The work grew to such a level that they were incorporated into TVR under the name TVR Power, later also building the AJP V8s and S6s.
After the collapse of TVR, TVR Power (Dom) bought his company back from Smolenski and continued the TVR work.
Under the new Les Edgar regime, they couldn't/wouldn't agree terms with TVR, hence had to change their name, now known Powers Performance.
N7GTX said:
TVR Power Ltd - https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0612878... - but not sure if this is the same company?
Powers Performance is now called Doms Power Limited - https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0250118...
The confusion arises on a Google search which if you put in Powers Performance comes up with Dom's old name and website.
Its listed as a dormant company and has been since day 1.Powers Performance is now called Doms Power Limited - https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0250118...
The confusion arises on a Google search which if you put in Powers Performance comes up with Dom's old name and website.
I doubt anything to do with Dom. Dom bought the company from Peter I think so pre Smolenski.
FFG
Stupid question, am I supposed to email back to let them know my contact/order details are correct?
We have included at the bottom of this email a record of the details we have on file for you, and would ask that you confirm our records reflect your wishes. Following receipt of these confirmations, we will then let you know (by 1st week in September) broadly where you are in the build queue
We have included at the bottom of this email a record of the details we have on file for you, and would ask that you confirm our records reflect your wishes. Following receipt of these confirmations, we will then let you know (by 1st week in September) broadly where you are in the build queue
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