New TVR still under wraps!
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its like a never ending story, almost like my car project...started end 2015, the builder said, in about 5 months ready so say half 2016 but now 08-2018 still not finished 
but...Wiesmann also had such sort story/problem, but now they really seem to be back...promising a new model ready in 2019
but...Wiesmann also had such sort story/problem, but now they really seem to be back...promising a new model ready in 2019
report said:
Four years after quietly entering the retirement home, Wiesmann is making a comeback with plans to roll out a new model in 2019. Details are still scarce on what this new model is going to be, but given the automaker’s history of building limited-run, bespoke, retro-styled, thoroughbred sports cars, it’s hard to imagine this model being any different. The important thing is that Wiesmann is back, and it has credible people with years of experience in the industry running it now. Hopefully, this new lease on life is going to jumpstart a new era for the once proud German automaker.
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/wiesmann-will-finally-introduce-a-new-sports-car-in-2019-ar182102.htmlGTRene said:
its like a never ending story, almost like my car project...started end 2015, the builder said, in about 5 months ready so say half 2016 but now 08-2018 still not finished
but...Wiesmann also had such sort story/problem, but now they really seem to be back...promising a new model ready in 2019
You're so right! All those naysayers said that Weismann wouldn't come back. What did they know ffs! They also said that about Marcos and Jensen and look what a huge success they have been!but...Wiesmann also had such sort story/problem, but now they really seem to be back...promising a new model ready in 2019
GB8CH said:
It is sad. And I have remained quiet since the latest embodiment on TVR was announced in order to give the new team time to stamp their authority and make their intentions clear. Unfortunately, I suspect that the glass is a lot less than half empty. The new TVR is less than mediocre imho. The current management team seems to be on some kind of vanity project rather than being aware of what customers want or think of what is offered thus far. My old boss (Peter Wheeler), was a fantastic engineer, designer, judge of character and bloke. He was absolutely in tune with his customers wishes and just as importantly, he understood the value of a motor show.
When the latest fantastical 200mph sculpture was released from Bristol avenue to the world, my old boss, friend and hero, would position himself against the railings and LISTEN! I know this because I was quite often stood on the other side of the railings listening to what he had learned and how we were about to incorporate this learning into our otherwise brilliant 200mph sculptures. He also encouraged styling creativity or (wackiness) as he used to call it. He understood that being creative, forwards thinking and different was a unique selling point, providing that it was done in good taste.
For gods sake Les, put your elbow on the railings and open your ears! Probably best to put the judgement of your eyes in someone else's hands though. Seemingly, styling management isn't something that you have mastered yet. Nor is customer relations! It's a real shame, I wanted you to succeed but I am totally convinced now that you will not.
Yes, i can remember when i first got into TVR back in 1997, and seeing this bloke (didn’t know who he was then) just standing at the side of the stand looking and listening to people, and the same the next year etc etc. Yes, it was the Great PW.When the latest fantastical 200mph sculpture was released from Bristol avenue to the world, my old boss, friend and hero, would position himself against the railings and LISTEN! I know this because I was quite often stood on the other side of the railings listening to what he had learned and how we were about to incorporate this learning into our otherwise brilliant 200mph sculptures. He also encouraged styling creativity or (wackiness) as he used to call it. He understood that being creative, forwards thinking and different was a unique selling point, providing that it was done in good taste.
For gods sake Les, put your elbow on the railings and open your ears! Probably best to put the judgement of your eyes in someone else's hands though. Seemingly, styling management isn't something that you have mastered yet. Nor is customer relations! It's a real shame, I wanted you to succeed but I am totally convinced now that you will not.
It was always an exciting time seeing the launch of a new TVR model, as it was always met with a ‘WOW’ got to have one of those, and 20 year and 14 TVR’s later, it shows that he was doing something right
Lets hope that the current team adopt the same approach, with a slightly changed front, it would certainly add more of a Wow factor to the car.
It’s unfair to compare the new TVR way of doing things with the pre 2006 TVR setup - it’s a name now with (more than) a nod to the old but it’s a different conpany. Les Edgar et al aren’t following on at Bristol Avenue from Peter Wheeler and there’s been a 12 year gap even since Moleskins bought it.
So, my point is - to compare with the management structure of the old days is wrong we should be comparing the new setup with every other small volume British car manufacturer as of now, not then.
If they keep up the updates it’s all looking good IMO
So, my point is - to compare with the management structure of the old days is wrong we should be comparing the new setup with every other small volume British car manufacturer as of now, not then.
If they keep up the updates it’s all looking good IMO
m4tti said:
N7GTX said:
twold said:
Sorry it makes you sad ,because I'm thoroughly enjoying reading it all ,most entertaining.Long live half empty glasses.
Me too. If it wasn't for the loyalty of Spagbol and his mates this thread would have died months ago. Probably the best TVR thread on here. When things dry up I have been known to post something just to provoke them into keeping me amused. Edited by twold on Saturday 18th August 11:06
I find it very strange that there has just been a huge update yet it says nothing new so I blame Les for not giving Spag, Bullitt, Testa et al something new to feast on. Come on Les, I need to be entertained.....
any one got any spagbogdog biscuits 
he’s on holiday laughing at you lot from his sunbed 
Edited by spagbogdog on Sunday 19th August 09:51
V6 Pushfit said:
It’s unfair to compare the new TVR way of doing things with the pre 2006 TVR setup - it’s a name now with (more than) a nod to the old but it’s a different conpany. Les Edgar et al aren’t following on at Bristol Avenue from Peter Wheeler and there’s been a 12 year gap even since Moleskins bought it.
So, my point is - to compare with the management structure of the old days is wrong we should be comparing the new setup with every other small volume British car manufacturer as of now, not then.
If they keep up the updates it’s all looking good IMO
Disagree. The point being made was that a good leader will also listen to other people's opinion. In the example given, Peter Wheeler was gleaning information by simply being quiet and listening to the chat from the punters on the outside of the stand. Further back in this thread it was stated that despite the front of the new car being widely criticised Les Edgar had no time for people's opinion at a car show and was not even bothered about people if they were not deposit holders. A stark comparison of styles. So, my point is - to compare with the management structure of the old days is wrong we should be comparing the new setup with every other small volume British car manufacturer as of now, not then.
If they keep up the updates it’s all looking good IMO
RichB said:
V6 Pushfit said:
It’s unfair to compare the new TVR way of doing things with the pre 2006 TVR setup - it’s a name now with (more than) a nod to the old but it’s a different conpany. Les Edgar et al aren’t following on at Bristol Avenue from Peter Wheeler and there’s been a 12 year gap even since Moleskins bought it.
So, my point is - to compare with the management structure of the old days is wrong we should be comparing the new setup with every other small volume British car manufacturer as of now, not then.
If they keep up the updates it’s all looking good IMO
Disagree. The point being made was that a good leader will also listen to other people's opinion. In the example given, Peter Wheeler was gleaning information by simply being quiet and listening to the chat from the punters on the outside of the stand. Further back in this thread it was stated that despite the front of the new car being widely criticised Les Edgar had no time for people's opinion at a car show and was not even bothered about people if they were not deposit holders. A stark comparison of styles. So, my point is - to compare with the management structure of the old days is wrong we should be comparing the new setup with every other small volume British car manufacturer as of now, not then.
If they keep up the updates it’s all looking good IMO
The fact that people are saying LE is nothing like PW is a massive ethical compliment and a very good thing. Sure the PR is a bit piss poor and sure they have a massive uphill struggle to deliver and survive but it’s not as if you get the impression they are running about ripping everyone off. It’s a start up, it will have all number of silly delays and I think people need to get a grip of themselves and stop gossiping like old women.
DonkeyApple said:
RichB said:
V6 Pushfit said:
It’s unfair to compare the new TVR way of doing things with the pre 2006 TVR setup - it’s a name now with (more than) a nod to the old but it’s a different conpany. Les Edgar et al aren’t following on at Bristol Avenue from Peter Wheeler and there’s been a 12 year gap even since Moleskins bought it.
So, my point is - to compare with the management structure of the old days is wrong we should be comparing the new setup with every other small volume British car manufacturer as of now, not then.
If they keep up the updates it’s all looking good IMO
Disagree. The point being made was that a good leader will also listen to other people's opinion. In the example given, Peter Wheeler was gleaning information by simply being quiet and listening to the chat from the punters on the outside of the stand. Further back in this thread it was stated that despite the front of the new car being widely criticised Les Edgar had no time for people's opinion at a car show and was not even bothered about people if they were not deposit holders. A stark comparison of styles. So, my point is - to compare with the management structure of the old days is wrong we should be comparing the new setup with every other small volume British car manufacturer as of now, not then.
If they keep up the updates it’s all looking good IMO
The fact that people are saying LE is nothing like PW is a massive ethical compliment and a very good thing. Sure the PR is a bit piss poor and sure they have a massive uphill struggle to deliver and survive but it’s not as if you get the impression they are running about ripping everyone off. It’s a start up, it will have all number of silly delays and I think people need to get a grip of themselves and stop gossiping like old women.
The gossiping thing is PH though. I just don’t get posts like why don’t they fit the wing actuator and stuff like that, it’s a f
king prototype still and people are wondering why there aren’t test drives for the public and magazine reviews when they haven’t bolted a machine to the factory floor yet! Maybe they have learnt a lesson from telling us the car will be ready by this date or that then unable to make it happen, the moment you break a promise it really does upset people or they become cynical, have a look at the world around you, rip off merchants everywhere and that’s just the big businesses and government. Was’nt this factory supposed to be open last year and customers getting their cars by now.
The company set the precedent not the customers.
Ive still got the hump as a wasted a day and petrol going down to South Wales on the strength of a google image that showed off the building with TVR Team purple around every edge of the place, I naively assumed I’d be able to take a pic of my car there thinking I’ll be the first. I felt right ripped off then I tell ya
If the money etc is in place a factory can come together in a matter of weeks or a few months if planned properly, it’s the least of their worries.
Taking on and training staff might take some time though
The company set the precedent not the customers.
Ive still got the hump as a wasted a day and petrol going down to South Wales on the strength of a google image that showed off the building with TVR Team purple around every edge of the place, I naively assumed I’d be able to take a pic of my car there thinking I’ll be the first. I felt right ripped off then I tell ya
If the money etc is in place a factory can come together in a matter of weeks or a few months if planned properly, it’s the least of their worries.
Taking on and training staff might take some time though
Couple of things. Les is a far better figure head for TVR in these times than Peter Wheeler could/would have been.
And two
yes we were supposed to be having cars by now.. an explanation of the factory delays would help,clear the cynicism.. be it Welsh government delay, or finance delays.. from the outside. Nothing has happened for a year. From the outside, we are no further. Which is fine.. Starting up TVR again from nothing is a huge task. But missed promises and speculation in the absence of information. Just breeds cynics.
(I have two deposits, and I will keep them with TVR. The product looks good to me, so it is a 'risk' don't care. It is a calculated one.. whose odds massively improved when the prototype was produced.. now the issue is logistics, finance and factories.. big jobs in themsrlves)
And two
yes we were supposed to be having cars by now.. an explanation of the factory delays would help,clear the cynicism.. be it Welsh government delay, or finance delays.. from the outside. Nothing has happened for a year. From the outside, we are no further. Which is fine.. Starting up TVR again from nothing is a huge task. But missed promises and speculation in the absence of information. Just breeds cynics.
(I have two deposits, and I will keep them with TVR. The product looks good to me, so it is a 'risk' don't care. It is a calculated one.. whose odds massively improved when the prototype was produced.. now the issue is logistics, finance and factories.. big jobs in themsrlves)
OK - Haven't added anything to this thread for a while.
Some musings:
At Beaulieu, (even with Les being gentle/unskilled [delete as appropriate]), the crowd let out the biggest cheer when the Griffith went down Chestnut Avenue. Face or no funny face, the crowd loved the car. Whilst at the TVRCC display area many folks came over to inspect the car.
Speaking to the guys from the company, they are aware of all the comments on this and other websites. The bottom line, they feel, is that if they responded to every post, they wouldn't be able to get much other work done.
The comment that stuck in my mind was "We want to get it right first time - everything working on every car straight out of the box". They are not a multi-national with a 7 figure PR budget...hence the relatively infrequent update emails.
Nick
Some musings:
At Beaulieu, (even with Les being gentle/unskilled [delete as appropriate]), the crowd let out the biggest cheer when the Griffith went down Chestnut Avenue. Face or no funny face, the crowd loved the car. Whilst at the TVRCC display area many folks came over to inspect the car.
Speaking to the guys from the company, they are aware of all the comments on this and other websites. The bottom line, they feel, is that if they responded to every post, they wouldn't be able to get much other work done.
The comment that stuck in my mind was "We want to get it right first time - everything working on every car straight out of the box". They are not a multi-national with a 7 figure PR budget...hence the relatively infrequent update emails.
Nick
I think we all want to see this car produced and I believe the company might be very close to securing the funds etc if you read into it so alls looking well.
A passionate fan base can’t be blamed for delays or just long periods of silence.
As I’ve mentioned before information is at your finger tips in this day and age so regular updates on brakes or any detail we will all enjoy even if it’s causing delays as most of us enjoy the mechanics of cars
All along the lack of comms has caused people to loose faith which is very unfortunate and in my view easily dispelled with updates. It’s as simple as that.
Share holders don’t hang around if they don’t get a profit, so why shouldn’t the people who are hoping to own this car have a similar attitude when the car is years late.
Call it cynicism nor whatever you like I think people have an absolute right to challenge something when promises are not fulfilled.
I also think these people would understand how hard this Venture is to get off the ground and would forgive the company any short cumming’s if they felt more part of it.
I fully understand Les being ambitious and making claims of what he hopes the car can do and numbers sold etc and good on him as he’s the only guy who’s come forward with balls big enough to do this.
In all reality he probably has a list so long he hasn’t got time to think most days let alone let a bunch of whinging oddballs like me hold him back.
“ you can convince some of the people some of the time but rarely all the people all the time”
It’s a no win situation maybe so just bat on and prove every doubter wrong.
I can’t wait to be proved wrong,, it might help my personal life become more positive for one thing
Goodluck to them.
A passionate fan base can’t be blamed for delays or just long periods of silence.
As I’ve mentioned before information is at your finger tips in this day and age so regular updates on brakes or any detail we will all enjoy even if it’s causing delays as most of us enjoy the mechanics of cars
All along the lack of comms has caused people to loose faith which is very unfortunate and in my view easily dispelled with updates. It’s as simple as that.
Share holders don’t hang around if they don’t get a profit, so why shouldn’t the people who are hoping to own this car have a similar attitude when the car is years late.
Call it cynicism nor whatever you like I think people have an absolute right to challenge something when promises are not fulfilled.
I also think these people would understand how hard this Venture is to get off the ground and would forgive the company any short cumming’s if they felt more part of it.
I fully understand Les being ambitious and making claims of what he hopes the car can do and numbers sold etc and good on him as he’s the only guy who’s come forward with balls big enough to do this.
In all reality he probably has a list so long he hasn’t got time to think most days let alone let a bunch of whinging oddballs like me hold him back.
“ you can convince some of the people some of the time but rarely all the people all the time”
It’s a no win situation maybe so just bat on and prove every doubter wrong.
I can’t wait to be proved wrong,, it might help my personal life become more positive for one thing
Goodluck to them.
m4tti said:
Any of the other cars he drove or from his collection 
Althoughthat jaguar still looks awesome!!
Yep, he had some cool things in his collection for sure and the Jag really is world-class from any angle, no dispute here. I've never really seen it full-frontal, but when i found this pic, the analogy was there and i just had to reply Althoughthat jaguar still looks awesome!!
Edited by m4tti on Sunday 19th August 21:04
Question is, what would he drive today ?
bullittmcqueen said:
Yep, he had some cool things in his collection for sure and the Jag really is world-class from any angle, no dispute here. I've never really seen it full-frontal, but when i found this pic, the analogy was there and i just had to reply
Question is, what would he drive today ?
Thered be no reason to change this..Question is, what would he drive today ?
m4tti said:
bullittmcqueen said:
Yep, he had some cool things in his collection for sure and the Jag really is world-class from any angle, no dispute here. I've never really seen it full-frontal, but when i found this pic, the analogy was there and i just had to reply
Question is, what would he drive today ?
Thered be no reason to change this..Question is, what would he drive today ?
bullittmcqueen said:
m4tti said:
bullittmcqueen said:
Yep, he had some cool things in his collection for sure and the Jag really is world-class from any angle, no dispute here. I've never really seen it full-frontal, but when i found this pic, the analogy was there and i just had to reply
Question is, what would he drive today ?
Thered be no reason to change this..Question is, what would he drive today ?
DonkeyApple said:
Let’s get things into some perspective. PW was a douchebag. He tried to rip off everyone who had any dealings with him. Ripped off suppliers, ripped off engineers and designers and ripped off customers. He stripped the company for his pension and then sold all his workers down the river as he ripped off some mug foreigner. And we’ve all paid thousands sorting out the crappy short cuts he took at the factory ripping us off. And he was a douchebag with a monumental ego with total contempt for everyone that ended up killing the business and screwing everyone. He delivered the absolute golden era of TVR and we have iconic and very special cars as a result but let’s not try and make out that he was something that he very much wasn’t.
The fact that people are saying LE is nothing like PW is a massive ethical compliment and a very good thing. Sure the PR is a bit piss poor and sure they have a massive uphill struggle to deliver and survive but it’s not as if you get the impression they are running about ripping everyone off. It’s a start up, it will have all number of silly delays and I think people need to get a grip of themselves and stop gossiping like old women.
Maybe you are getting shrewdness confused with dishonesty? I was by PW's side from 1998 till his funeral and I can honesty say that he was the fairest, toughest, most balanced, most inspirational, most magnetic person I have met thus far. I happen to have spent time with him on his Catamaran in Scotland after he retired and got his perspective on the sale of the company over a few drinks first hand. You couldn't be further away from the truth with your assertions. The fact that people are saying LE is nothing like PW is a massive ethical compliment and a very good thing. Sure the PR is a bit piss poor and sure they have a massive uphill struggle to deliver and survive but it’s not as if you get the impression they are running about ripping everyone off. It’s a start up, it will have all number of silly delays and I think people need to get a grip of themselves and stop gossiping like old women.
His ambition during that time was in fact to re-employ the people who he considered loyal. Myself included from 2005 till he left us and in fact after his death. Perhaps you once stood on the wrong side of his shrewd streak?
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