New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
Ultra Sound Guy said:
Does anyone know why The Parrot ( LE’s pub) has closed?
Is this cause for worry?
Closed for refurbishment according to their website.Is this cause for worry?
They are taking deposits for future bookings when it re opens though, sometime later this year, or maybe next year, or could be the year after.
spagbogdog said:
I can see the Griff in 'high-end' US showrooms sat between Mustangs and GT's...America has always loved muscle cars and top-end straight line speed... I rather suspect they'll race them over there too...
Please no!! The Griff is 17 inches shorter than the GT and 6 inches narrower. It is 18 inches shorter than the Mustang and 3 inches narrower. It will look tiny In the showroom. Its size will actually look more in keeping next to a Fiesta. Edited by JLF on Saturday 15th September 01:06
RichB said:
JLF said:
spagbogdog said:
... sat between Mustangs and GT's...
Please no!! The Griff is 17 inches shorter than the GT and 6 inches narrower. It is 18 inches shorter than the Mustang and 3 inches narrower...They want big powerful looking muscle cars cars that look menacing and are made in America not this foreign little thing with a silly gormless face.
El stovey said:
RichB said:
JLF said:
spagbogdog said:
... sat between Mustangs and GT's...
Please no!! The Griff is 17 inches shorter than the GT and 6 inches narrower. It is 18 inches shorter than the Mustang and 3 inches narrower...They want big powerful looking muscle cars cars that look menacing and are made in America not this foreign little thing with a silly gormless face.
swisstoni said:
No they have no history of liking small British sports cars obviously.
Spag said, “I can see the Griff in 'high-end' US showrooms sat between Mustangs and GT's...America has always loved muscle cars and top-end straight line speed... I rather suspect they'll race them over there too...”
Like the other poster, I think it will look very out of place in that environment for the reasons given.
El stovey said:
swisstoni said:
No they have no history of liking small British sports cars obviously.
Spag said, “I can see the Griff in 'high-end' US showrooms sat between Mustangs and GT's...America has always loved muscle cars and top-end straight line speed... I rather suspect they'll race them over there too...”
Like the other poster, I think it will look very out of place in that environment for the reasons given.
...just because it's shorter and lower than a Mustang doesn't mean it'll look out of place.Compared to say an MX5 it's longer and wider....it's also slightly larger than a Boxster / Cayman...
In the USA the MX5 outsells (nearing 1000 units/month) the combined sales of both Porsche's by 2 to 1..
I think Les' will do very nicely "across the pond"...
spagbogdog said:
El stovey said:
swisstoni said:
No they have no history of liking small British sports cars obviously.
Spag said, “I can see the Griff in 'high-end' US showrooms sat between Mustangs and GT's...America has always loved muscle cars and top-end straight line speed... I rather suspect they'll race them over there too...”
Like the other poster, I think it will look very out of place in that environment for the reasons given.
...just because it's shorter and lower than a Mustang doesn't mean it'll look out of place.Compared to say an MX5 it's longer and wider....it's also slightly larger than a Boxster / Cayman...
In the USA the MX5 outsells (nearing 1000 units/month) the combined sales of both Porsche's by 2 to 1..
I think Les' will do very nicely "across the pond"...
There is no chance of the "TVR" (if it is ever made) of selling over here. The name means nothing except to a few diehards. The last TVR sold here was the 86 Tasmin. Even if they were to get past the crash testing and all the other type approval issues the standard warranty for a car in this price sector is 4 yrs / 50k miles. Jaguar offer 5 years / 60 k miles, include all the maintenance for free, have a brilliant product (from a famous brand with nearly 100 years of heritage) in the F-Type and still sell very few.
unrepentant said:
spagbogdog said:
El stovey said:
swisstoni said:
No they have no history of liking small British sports cars obviously.
Spag said, “I can see the Griff in 'high-end' US showrooms sat between Mustangs and GT's...America has always loved muscle cars and top-end straight line speed... I rather suspect they'll race them over there too...”
Like the other poster, I think it will look very out of place in that environment for the reasons given.
...just because it's shorter and lower than a Mustang doesn't mean it'll look out of place.Compared to say an MX5 it's longer and wider....it's also slightly larger than a Boxster / Cayman...
In the USA the MX5 outsells (nearing 1000 units/month) the combined sales of both Porsche's by 2 to 1..
I think Les' will do very nicely "across the pond"...
There is no chance of the "TVR" (if it is ever made) of selling over here. The name means nothing except to a few diehards. The last TVR sold here was the 86 Tasmin. Even if they were to get past the crash testing and all the other type approval issues the standard warranty for a car in this price sector is 4 yrs / 50k miles. Jaguar offer 5 years / 60 k miles, include all the maintenance for free, have a brilliant product (from a famous brand with nearly 100 years of heritage) in the F-Type and still sell very few.
Jag sell approx 350 F-Types every month in the USA
Lets not forget TVR have 70 years of heritage. They have also very clearly laid out their plans to compete in Le Mans.
spagbogdog said:
Yes..seriously...the MX-5 outsells Boxster/Cayman by over 2 to one...
Jag sell approx 350 F-Types every month in the USA
Lets not forget TVR have 70 years of heritage. They have also very clearly laid out their plans to compete in Le Mans.
Spag, your loyalty to tvr is commendable but what you are saying is completely unrealistic. Jag sell approx 350 F-Types every month in the USA
Lets not forget TVR have 70 years of heritage. They have also very clearly laid out their plans to compete in Le Mans.
The mx5 is cheap and leading that segment. The jag has heritage and prestige in the USA. TVR has neither of those things.
El stovey said:
spagbogdog said:
Yes..seriously...the MX-5 outsells Boxster/Cayman by over 2 to one...
Jag sell approx 350 F-Types every month in the USA
Lets not forget TVR have 70 years of heritage. They have also very clearly laid out their plans to compete in Le Mans.
Spag, your loyalty to tvr is commendable but what you are saying is completely unrealistic. Jag sell approx 350 F-Types every month in the USA
Lets not forget TVR have 70 years of heritage. They have also very clearly laid out their plans to compete in Le Mans.
The mx5 is cheap and leading that segment. The jag has heritage and prestige in the USA. TVR has neither of those things.
I imagine Japan might also run up a few sales.
swisstoni said:
El stovey said:
spagbogdog said:
Yes..seriously...the MX-5 outsells Boxster/Cayman by over 2 to one...
Jag sell approx 350 F-Types every month in the USA
Lets not forget TVR have 70 years of heritage. They have also very clearly laid out their plans to compete in Le Mans.
Spag, your loyalty to tvr is commendable but what you are saying is completely unrealistic. Jag sell approx 350 F-Types every month in the USA
Lets not forget TVR have 70 years of heritage. They have also very clearly laid out their plans to compete in Le Mans.
The mx5 is cheap and leading that segment. The jag has heritage and prestige in the USA. TVR has neither of those things.
I imagine Japan might also run up a few sales.
Correct...I imagine Les would be rather pleased shipping out 100 units/month to the USA..
El....It has a Ford engine in it....US buyers will naturally want to take a look...
The real deciding factor will be how it drives....cheaper and far quicker than an F-Type R...and (with a bit of tweaking at the front end) pretty enough to catch a lot of stares in showrooms...
America is a really dodgy country to sell cars into. TVR got spanked many moons ago on some regulatory or tax change, Lotus got bailed in 2015 and had to stop selling cars due to a regulatory change.
On top of that you have to massively hedge your currency risk as that has a long track record of wiping firms out.
And then we have the slight issue of trade agreements. Who’s got the pockets deep enough to have a punt on that aspect.
It would be lovely to see TVR expand into that market but it strikes me as ludicrously high risk and the sort of move that puts the whole company in jeopardy.
A dealer network agreement for the EU still seems more logical. The brand is known and despite Brexit with the U.K. being a net importer of EU cars it’s a safer bet that a car that’s already EU complaint will still be able to be exported and sold post Brexit than the US.
Asia probably looks better than the US. Easy enough to set up iStream and build, labour cheaper and the middle class consumers are wealthier and more numerous.
God knows but I don’t envy TVR who have stated that overseas sales are hugely important and none of the three main markets look remotely easy to crack.
On top of that you have to massively hedge your currency risk as that has a long track record of wiping firms out.
And then we have the slight issue of trade agreements. Who’s got the pockets deep enough to have a punt on that aspect.
It would be lovely to see TVR expand into that market but it strikes me as ludicrously high risk and the sort of move that puts the whole company in jeopardy.
A dealer network agreement for the EU still seems more logical. The brand is known and despite Brexit with the U.K. being a net importer of EU cars it’s a safer bet that a car that’s already EU complaint will still be able to be exported and sold post Brexit than the US.
Asia probably looks better than the US. Easy enough to set up iStream and build, labour cheaper and the middle class consumers are wealthier and more numerous.
God knows but I don’t envy TVR who have stated that overseas sales are hugely important and none of the three main markets look remotely easy to crack.
DonkeyApple said:
America is a really dodgy country to sell cars into. TVR got spanked many moons ago on some regulatory or tax change, Lotus got bailed in 2015 and had to stop selling cars due to a regulatory change.
On top of that you have to massively hedge your currency risk as that has a long track record of wiping firms out.
And then we have the slight issue of trade agreements. Who’s got the pockets deep enough to have a punt on that aspect.
It would be lovely to see TVR expand into that market but it strikes me as ludicrously high risk and the sort of move that puts the whole company in jeopardy.
A dealer network agreement for the EU still seems more logical. The brand is known and despite Brexit with the U.K. being a net importer of EU cars it’s a safer bet that a car that’s already EU complaint will still be able to be exported and sold post Brexit than the US.
Asia probably looks better than the US. Easy enough to set up iStream and build, labour cheaper and the middle class consumers are wealthier and more numerous.
God knows but I don’t envy TVR who have stated that overseas sales are hugely important and none of the three main markets look remotely easy to crack.
Engine and transmission are american...ice-cream factory..ooops..IStream factory can "pop-up" anywhere according to Les...which significantly de-risks the project. American trade deal with Trump on the cards...Maybe..just maybe...they could pull this off ....On top of that you have to massively hedge your currency risk as that has a long track record of wiping firms out.
And then we have the slight issue of trade agreements. Who’s got the pockets deep enough to have a punt on that aspect.
It would be lovely to see TVR expand into that market but it strikes me as ludicrously high risk and the sort of move that puts the whole company in jeopardy.
A dealer network agreement for the EU still seems more logical. The brand is known and despite Brexit with the U.K. being a net importer of EU cars it’s a safer bet that a car that’s already EU complaint will still be able to be exported and sold post Brexit than the US.
Asia probably looks better than the US. Easy enough to set up iStream and build, labour cheaper and the middle class consumers are wealthier and more numerous.
God knows but I don’t envy TVR who have stated that overseas sales are hugely important and none of the three main markets look remotely easy to crack.
Definitely, outside of the EU the advantage of theoretically setting up an iStream factory wherever you want it’s low labour cost and ability to utilise a range of local materials is the enormous advantage here.
Elon owns an absolutely massive building in the middle of Nevada which Panasonic only use a small part of to build their branded batteries. Loads of spare capacity there to build the car of the future.
Elon owns an absolutely massive building in the middle of Nevada which Panasonic only use a small part of to build their branded batteries. Loads of spare capacity there to build the car of the future.
spagbogdog said:
unrepentant said:
spagbogdog said:
El stovey said:
swisstoni said:
No they have no history of liking small British sports cars obviously.
Spag said, “I can see the Griff in 'high-end' US showrooms sat between Mustangs and GT's...America has always loved muscle cars and top-end straight line speed... I rather suspect they'll race them over there too...”
Like the other poster, I think it will look very out of place in that environment for the reasons given.
...just because it's shorter and lower than a Mustang doesn't mean it'll look out of place.Compared to say an MX5 it's longer and wider....it's also slightly larger than a Boxster / Cayman...
In the USA the MX5 outsells (nearing 1000 units/month) the combined sales of both Porsche's by 2 to 1..
I think Les' will do very nicely "across the pond"...
There is no chance of the "TVR" (if it is ever made) of selling over here. The name means nothing except to a few diehards. The last TVR sold here was the 86 Tasmin. Even if they were to get past the crash testing and all the other type approval issues the standard warranty for a car in this price sector is 4 yrs / 50k miles. Jaguar offer 5 years / 60 k miles, include all the maintenance for free, have a brilliant product (from a famous brand with nearly 100 years of heritage) in the F-Type and still sell very few.
Jag sell approx 350 F-Types every month in the USA
Lets not forget TVR have 70 years of heritage. They have also very clearly laid out their plans to compete in Le Mans.
The Miata starts at $25k. It’s a cheap starter sports car. Totally different market.
TVR’s heritage here is zero, the last car sold here was a wedge over 30 years ago. I had one for a while, nobody had a clue what it was.
The sheer cost of operating here is huge. Jaguar spends tens of millions on advertising here and F-Type sales are still tiny. You can find new 2017’s with $25k discount at the moment.
“TVR” would get crushed like a roach if it ever tried to come here which is why Wheeler never tried.
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