New TVR still under wraps!
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unrepentant said:
spagbogdog said:
unrepentant said:
spagbogdog said:
El stovey said:
swisstoni said:
No they have no history of liking small British sports cars obviously.
Spag said, “I can see the Griff in 'high-end' US showrooms sat between Mustangs and GT's...America has always loved muscle cars and top-end straight line speed... I rather suspect they'll race them over there too...”
Like the other poster, I think it will look very out of place in that environment for the reasons given.
...just because it's shorter and lower than a Mustang doesn't mean it'll look out of place.Compared to say an MX5 it's longer and wider....it's also slightly larger than a Boxster / Cayman...
In the USA the MX5 outsells (nearing 1000 units/month) the combined sales of both Porsche's by 2 to 1..
I think Les' will do very nicely "across the pond"...
There is no chance of the "TVR" (if it is ever made) of selling over here. The name means nothing except to a few diehards. The last TVR sold here was the 86 Tasmin. Even if they were to get past the crash testing and all the other type approval issues the standard warranty for a car in this price sector is 4 yrs / 50k miles. Jaguar offer 5 years / 60 k miles, include all the maintenance for free, have a brilliant product (from a famous brand with nearly 100 years of heritage) in the F-Type and still sell very few.
Jag sell approx 350 F-Types every month in the USA
Lets not forget TVR have 70 years of heritage. They have also very clearly laid out their plans to compete in Le Mans.
The Miata starts at $25k. It’s a cheap starter sports car. Totally different market.
TVR’s heritage here is zero, the last car sold here was a wedge over 30 years ago. I had one for a while, nobody had a clue what it was.
The sheer cost of operating here is huge. Jaguar spends tens of millions on advertising here and F-Type sales are still tiny. You can find new 2017’s with $25k discount at the moment.
“TVR” would get crushed like a roach if it ever tried to come here which is why Wheeler never tried.
Consider / muse just for a couple of minutes please:
It’s powered by Ford and uses an American (muscle) gearbox.
Should the car do rather well on the racing scene that kudos alone will suffice...and be worth considerably more than any advertising budget.
Remind me when you last saw an advertisement for Ferrari or Lamborghini ...or even Aston Martin for that matter...
Build costs are massively cheaper than traditional vehicle production lines.
Maybe..just maybe the nonesense I’m talking will come to bite ya on ur ass..
Been to Automechanika in Frankfurt today. It's a huge, professional fair for trade-visitors only, no private attendance. Car was there as a static display on the Motul stand. It was the last day of the show and not too busy anymore. It was the first time i've seen it since the depositors reveal.
Impressions:
As many before me have pointed out. It looked bigger and wider! than expected. Color looks a lot better than in the photos, still red will not be my choice. The main issue, the dullness of the front (and i don't mean the smile) in the pics is almost not existent, seeing it live does wonders here. But there still are a few head-on perspectives that reminded me of the issue that somehow seems to materialize in the pics. But not really an issue at all. Front from anything but head-on is very impressive, love it. The car was difficult to approach from the back as it was very close to the wall.
Whatever doubt i might have had, is gone. It's an impressive car and it's got presence.
The exhibition itself was for professional visitors only. With today having been the last day and most already on their way home it was relatively quiet.
There was noone available from TVR and the Motul crew, while very friendly, neither had keys nor any information to hand out. I talked to one guy for a while ( he is now fully briefed about the car
). So unfortunately, i couldn't ask any questions and there was no chance to sit in it. But the guys were very friendly and let me take pictures from all sides (i got freak status now, that's for sure). Spent all in all about an hour there.
From what i noticed, perception was good. Though not that many people were passing by, not a single person passed without looking. Almost all took a few moments to look at the car. Most people took pictures, many spent a while walking around it, looking inside. The Motul guy told me, that there also were a few people that showed true interest and asked for contact data from TVR. If this is any indication for driving it on the street, it will turn a lot of heads. In other halls (almost had no time, just passing through), there were also a few Ferraris and even (current) F1 cars and barely anyone looked.
One has to add, that this exhibition had little to do with their target audience and i think TVR simply used this event as a low-effort opportunity to piggy-back on Motuls presence there. Still, they should have had a few handouts of course.
Now TVR: build and ship the damn thing !!
(Will later post a few pictures i took, mostly from the front from different angles. I took them to understand, what makes it look a bit odd in the fotos. Interior shots were all useless as taken through the window and other pics are available everywhere from better photographers).
Impressions:
As many before me have pointed out. It looked bigger and wider! than expected. Color looks a lot better than in the photos, still red will not be my choice. The main issue, the dullness of the front (and i don't mean the smile) in the pics is almost not existent, seeing it live does wonders here. But there still are a few head-on perspectives that reminded me of the issue that somehow seems to materialize in the pics. But not really an issue at all. Front from anything but head-on is very impressive, love it. The car was difficult to approach from the back as it was very close to the wall.
Whatever doubt i might have had, is gone. It's an impressive car and it's got presence.
The exhibition itself was for professional visitors only. With today having been the last day and most already on their way home it was relatively quiet.
There was noone available from TVR and the Motul crew, while very friendly, neither had keys nor any information to hand out. I talked to one guy for a while ( he is now fully briefed about the car
). So unfortunately, i couldn't ask any questions and there was no chance to sit in it. But the guys were very friendly and let me take pictures from all sides (i got freak status now, that's for sure). Spent all in all about an hour there. From what i noticed, perception was good. Though not that many people were passing by, not a single person passed without looking. Almost all took a few moments to look at the car. Most people took pictures, many spent a while walking around it, looking inside. The Motul guy told me, that there also were a few people that showed true interest and asked for contact data from TVR. If this is any indication for driving it on the street, it will turn a lot of heads. In other halls (almost had no time, just passing through), there were also a few Ferraris and even (current) F1 cars and barely anyone looked.
One has to add, that this exhibition had little to do with their target audience and i think TVR simply used this event as a low-effort opportunity to piggy-back on Motuls presence there. Still, they should have had a few handouts of course.
Now TVR: build and ship the damn thing !!
(Will later post a few pictures i took, mostly from the front from different angles. I took them to understand, what makes it look a bit odd in the fotos. Interior shots were all useless as taken through the window and other pics are available everywhere from better photographers).
Thanks for the photos but the front still looks appalling and I disagree that it looks good from any angle except head-on (which isn’t good enough anyway-imagine saying that about your girlfriend!).
Still reminds me of the aliens in the spaceship in the life of Brian with that soft, tender looking mouth, or Rod Hull’s pet, depending on the angle.
If it was the back I could get over it but this is the face of the car and accepting a compromise here just isn’t acceptable IMO.
Still reminds me of the aliens in the spaceship in the life of Brian with that soft, tender looking mouth, or Rod Hull’s pet, depending on the angle.
If it was the back I could get over it but this is the face of the car and accepting a compromise here just isn’t acceptable IMO.
I believe for those who haven't seen it in the flesh it looks soo much better than any pic can portray! The car has great presence and for sure a Wow factor! The front has come under much scrutiny, but honestly I think looking at the car rather than 'the air intake' it isn't a real issue. Could it be improved.. potentially yes... will they change it... I doubt it at this stage unless a cosmetic tweak takes place... then you have a new wave dislikers!!!! Once the plate fits in there the image will once again change. I will happily await my order in its present state... any enhancements visually is a bonus!
TVR used to traditionally have a unique appearance,instantly recogniseable as being 'different' if you get my meaning....and some of them generally considered to be visually stunning in their time.Now everything has to look similar-ish,fit into a certain 'box' for fear of scaring buyers away.The New Griffith is in my opinion neatly ,politely,acceptingly sitting in its 'box' chosen by accountants.
Give me something totally unique to get excited about like TVR used to....
Give me something totally unique to get excited about like TVR used to....
twold said:
TVR used to traditionally have a unique appearance,instantly recogniseable as being 'different' if you get my meaning....and some of them generally considered to be visually stunning in their time.Now everything has to look similar-ish,fit into a certain 'box' for fear of scaring buyers away.The New Griffith is in my opinion neatly ,politely,acceptingly sitting in its 'box' chosen by accountants.
Give me something totally unique to get excited about like TVR used to....
Absolutely "SPOT ON", TVR's are a design in their own right. That's why the 1990's Griffith first showing at the NEC Motor Show was popular and orders were being placed so frequently for the new awe inspiring car!Give me something totally unique to get excited about like TVR used to....
twold said:
TVR used to traditionally have a unique appearance,instantly recogniseable as being 'different' if you get my meaning....and some of them generally considered to be visually stunning in their time.Now everything has to look similar-ish,fit into a certain 'box' for fear of scaring buyers away.The New Griffith is in my opinion neatly ,politely,acceptingly sitting in its 'box' chosen by accountants.
Give me something totally unique to get excited about like TVR used to....
are we looking at the same car? seriously..Give me something totally unique to get excited about like TVR used to....
rear view is like nothing else out there, statement of intent, with that diffuser. side view, modern purposeful sports car, plus those side exhausts. and I like the front!
definitely, imho, has presence. I much prefer it over the Pista that follows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3msaaTPzUc
I think it looks great, even in red (which I don't like as a car colour) imagine the above in Black, or blue, or any other colour..
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BJWoods said:
are we looking at the same car? seriously..
rear view is like nothing else out there, statement of intent, with that diffuser. side view, modern purposeful sports car, plus those side exhausts. and I like the front! .
Looks a bit dull and generic like a Toyota. The front is awkward at best, it looks like different cars fused together and completely lacking in cohesion. It’s completely lacking in purpose and intent with that silly front.rear view is like nothing else out there, statement of intent, with that diffuser. side view, modern purposeful sports car, plus those side exhausts. and I like the front! .
Thanks bullitt - nice pics.
If it drives as well as a gt3rs - I can forgive it anything.
They have the time to tweak the front so if the mk2 gets a new front after a year or two - I will drive mine at 200+ mph straight into the I-stream factory as a public display of my annoyance.
May improve the looks too.
If it drives as well as a gt3rs - I can forgive it anything.
They have the time to tweak the front so if the mk2 gets a new front after a year or two - I will drive mine at 200+ mph straight into the I-stream factory as a public display of my annoyance.
May improve the looks too.
BJWoods said:
are we looking at the same car? seriously..
rear view is like nothing else out there, statement of intent, with that diffuser. side view, modern purposeful sports car, plus those side exhausts. and I like the front!
Nothing personal but the fact that you didn’t post a photo of the front speaks volumes.rear view is like nothing else out there, statement of intent, with that diffuser. side view, modern purposeful sports car, plus those side exhausts. and I like the front!
I remember the first time I saw a TVR. A burgundy Griff at Castle Combe racing circuit in 1992. My jaw just dropped at its amazing beauty but also it’s unique and outlandish styling.
This is what TVR is all about.
I just couldn’t stop looking at it and said there and then that one day I would own one, which I did in 2001.
It’s a crying shame that the new “Griffith” is unable to provoke these emotions, rather leaving one with a disappointed feeling with that front end.
I think that’s the reason why some of us are like a stuck record on this new car, because of this disappointment.
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